Redcafe Top 100 Movies Discussion and Prep

I'm going to try to sell 2 of my favorite directors here outside of the usual Kubrick, Hitchcock and Kurasawa. If you're on the list here you should have already seen most of the stuff by those three.

Henri-Georges Clouzot
Henri-Georges Clouzot - IMDb
Wages of fear is his best work in my opinion. But Les Diabolique (probably his most famous) and the raven are excellent too.

Second, billy wilder
Most here would have already seen The Apartment, Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd and Some Like it Hot. All excellent. But his other movies are often forgotten but are equally brilliant. The Lost Weekend, Ace in the Hole, Stalag 17, Sabrina, Witness for the Prosecution, One two Three.

And I tried this last time but I dont think anyone listened to me. Everyone should watch Come and See before they do this list. I should probably rewatch it myself
 
Mockney said:
Raging Bull I agree drags a bit. I'm not a huge fan of Scorsese actually. I find a lot of his films are overrated. Still mostly great films, but overrated. He hasn't made a "great" film since Goodfellas either IMO.

Godfather II is a masterpiece, but it's overrated in the sense that a lot of people seem to place it above the original which is far superior. In the first Al changes dramatically and Marlon gets to act strong, intimidating, angry, weak, emotional, dead, etc, whereas in II both Al & Bobby spend the whole time being broodingly tough. John Cazale is the real stand out in that one.

I also find Serpico overrated. Or at the very least dated. But speaking of films with Al & Cazale, Dog Day will definitely get in my 100. Al's best work IMO.
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See i think the godfather films are great ( bugger i'm going to agree with mockney here), Godfather is the best in the trilogy. It has the best scene that epitomises what the story is about, which is a mastery of image with sound ( Al in the toilet with the trains going by). but i don't think they hold a candle to a lot of hollywoods real exploratory films into the country and it's culture, like the vietnam films ( in fact the way Vietnam changed the whole world of cinema in the USA is incredible, New Wave Horror films, the anti hero, self deprecating story lines, the all american hero was dead, long live the everyman). Serpico can go suck a duck, Popeye Doyle is the king of that field.
 
I love Scorsese, but also completely agree he's overrated by the general folk, the general folk who seem to think film stops at him and Coppola and Pacino/DeNiro etc. They should watch Scorseses own history of American cinema documentary, and then instantly realize that he isn't the be all end all, and that he'd be the first to tell anyone that. Theres also very few genuinely very likable people in modern hollywood and he comes across as one of them.
 
What about the trilogy of Days of Being Wild, In the Mood for Love and 2046, gambit? Aguirre, the Wrath of God?

I'd imagine you'd seen most of Fellini, Kurosawa, Tarkovsky, Welles and Wilder...what about Renoir?
 
Brwned said:
What about the trilogy of Days of Being Wild, In the Mood for Love and 2046, gambit? Aguirre, the Wrath of God?

I'd imagine you'd seen most of Fellini, Kurosawa, Tarkovsky, Welles and Wilder...what about Renoir?
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seen mood for love and aguire, although I think a rewatch of the latter is in order as my memory of it is a bit hazy.
 
gambit28 said:
Right I want some suggestions, I've seen every film in that list on the on the other thread and theres a few that won't be going into my list. So please people give me something to blow me away. I also want various genres, including horror, childrens and romance.
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Some recommendations along the lines of this:

Come and See - Probably the harshest war film ever made, one of the best too.
Before Sunrise & Before Sunset - Two very enjoyable films
Bicycle Thieves - A dad and a son searching for a stolen bike, a must watch
Cinema Paradiso - Sentimental but really hard to resist
Millenium Actress - Satoshi Kon blending fantasy with reality with good results
Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht - A good remake of the silent classic.
Kwaidan - Good, atmospheric Japanese horror.
 
Agguire would certainly be in my list. I think days of being wild is almost as good as ITMFL. 2046 is nowhere close. Chungking express and as tears go by are better.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
Some recommendations along the lines of this:

Come and See - Probably the harshest war film ever made, one of the best too.
Before Sunrise & Before Sunset - Two very enjoyable films
Bicycle Thieves - A dad and a son searching for a stolen bike, a must watch
Cinema Paradiso - Sentimental but really hard to resist
Millenium Actress - Satoshi Kon blending fantasy with reality with good results
Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht - A good remake of the silent classic.
Kwaidan - Good, atmospheric Japanese horror.
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that's a great little list and I'm glad someone besides me has seen and rates come and see!
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
I'm not sure if any other other film has captivated me to such an extent as it did. I was on the edge of my seat for almost two hours.
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It really is that good. Its sad that it's not well known. People put Saving Private Ryan and Platoon on best war movies lists but have never heard of this one.

Anway, time for the game!
 
mehro said:
It really is that good. Its sad that it's not well known. People put Saving Private Ryan and Platoon on best war movies lists but have never heard of this one.

Anway, time for the game!
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Come and See is one of the best war-films out there. Platoon and especially Saving Private Ryan aren't even top 20.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
Some recommendations along the lines of this:

Come and See - Probably the harshest war film ever made, one of the best too.
Before Sunrise & Before Sunset - Two very enjoyable films
Bicycle Thieves - A dad and a son searching for a stolen bike, a must watch
Cinema Paradiso - Sentimental but really hard to resist
Millenium Actress - Satoshi Kon blending fantasy with reality with good results
Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht - A good remake of the silent classic.
Kwaidan - Good, atmospheric Japanese horror.
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Some good recommendations here. I'll be watching 'Come and See', 'Kwaidan' in the coming days.
 
While working on my list as it is now, I expect it to get slightly edited as I watch a few more film between now and the deadline, but not a great deal. I decided to put together another list of films from 2002 to now, which will not be on my list as I feel has to have lasting appeal to be on any best list.

01. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
02. There Will Be Blood
03. Cache
04. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
05. Zodiac
06. Capturing The Friedmans
07. Inglourious Basterds
08. The Class
09. Punch-Drunk Love
10. Shaun of the Dead

Like I said, I enjoy making lists.


And I love Kieslowski, Veronique, Red and Blue all on my shortlist for sure. Dekalog was a superb series too.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
I've seen The Double Life of Veronique, which I didn't think much of and Three Colors: Blue which was good but nothing special imo.
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I reckon the three-colour trilogy to be the best trilogy ever made and I hold white as one of my favourite films. Kieslowski doesn't just make a film he create an essence of a colour and plays with it. It's a work of art.

That said, has everybody seen Mishima?

For further recommendations, everything Criterion has ever published should be given a look, it more often good than poor.
 
Back in like 2005-07, I used to be addicted to importing criterions and well had a lot more time to watch films properly. I had about 250 of about 350(of which a ton were also OOP so impossible to get unless you forked out loads) when I stopped, think Yi Yi was the last I bought. But then I sold most as I upgraded to blu-ray. Would love to get a multi-region player and start on a blu-ray collection though, the care and attention they give the films makes the premium for them worth it.

I even had Michael Bays 2 films in them, despite not liking them or ever opening them just because I wanted as many as I could get. Thank god the collector in me is now dead. So utterly random that his films were selected in them though,
 
Watched Grave of the Fireflies a couple of nights ago which someone recommended in the other movie thread.

It was really excellent. One of the best animated movies I've seen. Although I almost lost it when the brother was feeding his sister the melon towards the end. Almost.
 
Zen said:
While working on my list as it is now, I expect it to get slightly edited as I watch a few more film between now and the deadline, but not a great deal. I decided to put together another list of films from 2002 to now, which will not be on my list as I feel has to have lasting appeal to be on any best list.

01. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
02. There Will Be Blood
03. Cache
04. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
05. Zodiac
06. Capturing The Friedmans
07. Inglourious Basterds
08. The Class
09. Punch-Drunk Love
10. Shaun of the Dead

Like I said, I enjoy making lists.


And I love Kieslowski, Veronique, Red and Blue all on my shortlist for sure. Dekalog was a superb series too.
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Are documentaries being put on this list? Was excellent, mind you.
 
Brwned said:
Are documentaries being put on this list? Was excellent, mind you.
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No documentaries should be banned from this list. Otherwise my top 50 films will just be documentaries. Story based films only please.
 
Stalag 17 is an absolutely masterful film. One of the best prisoner of war films for sure.
 
mehro said:
And I tried this last time but I dont think anyone listened to me. Everyone should watch Come and See before they do this list. I should probably rewatch it myself
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Brilliant film, but falls into that very tiny category of films that are both brilliant and so harsh and uncompromising that I never want to see them again.

If you rewatch it you might be the first person in the world to do so!
 
Has anyone here seen Gomorrah? Not saying that it should be on anyone's top movie lists. Its basically just City of God done for the Scampia drug cartels in Italy, but its well worth a watch.
 
Also, probably worth mentioning Amadeus is amazing as is the film Waterloo. Simply for the fact there is no cgi, it's all extra's. Which is a feat in itself, one of the few films to have that breathtaking moment - when the camera pans and opens into a large shot during the french cavalry advance.

Steiger as usual is brilliant too.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Also, probably worth mentioning Amadeus is amazing as is the film Waterloo. Simply for the fact there is no cgi, it's all extra's. Which is a feat in itself, one of the few films to have that breathtaking moment - when the camera pans and opens into a large shot during the french cavalry advance.

Steiger as usual is brilliant too.
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The cavalry charges are stunning.
 
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