RedCafe Cricket Draft - ODIs

TheBest said:
Would have taken gilchrist over him, obviously you didn't have any choice.
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Dhoni's a better One-Day batsman than Gilchrist. Even making some allowance for the fact that Dhoni bats low in the order while, Gilchrist opened, his average is better.

Plus he's won the freaking world cup as captain. Only 3-4 players in the draft can say that.
 
Red-Indian said:
Dhoni's a better One-Day batsman than Gilchrist. Even making some allowance for the fact that Dhoni bats low in the order while, Gilchrist opened, his average is better.

Plus he's won the freaking world cup as captain. Only 3-4 players in the draft can say that.
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Dhoni has a higher average, lots of not outs because he bats at 6.. Gilchrist opens, played world class new ball bowlers.. think Gilchrist is a far superior batsman.

Dhoni's a bunny if a good bowler has the ball. There's been a dearth of high quality limited overs bowlers in the time Dhoni's played cricket.
 
zing said:
Dhoni has a higher average, lots of not outs because he bats at 6.. Gilchrist opens, played world class new ball bowlers.. think Gilchrist is a far superior batsman.

Dhoni's a bunny if a good bowler has the ball. There's been a dearth of high quality limited overs bowlers in the time Dhoni's played cricket.
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I agree Gilchrist is better, but to call Dhoni a bunny in ODIs is quite simply wrong IMO. 200 matches and an average of 50 makes nobody a bunny. That's ridiculous. He is one of the best finishers of games in the world, and by the time he comes in, the ball doesn't move much anyway. I'd have him as one of the best chasers in the game presently, and his record backs him up.
 
nm03 said:
Aye. My reasoning was that there are very few players that can 1. Anchor 2. Finish an innings 3. Captain (WC and T20 winner) and 4. Keep. His average and strike rate are amongst the best in the world too.
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Great pick. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I was between him, Lara and Jayasuriya.

There is still one player who I'm surprised hasn't gone yet

Aye.. I debated with myself long and hard over him and Jayasuriya. I the end latter's bowling record just about swing it since I don't want to be under pressure to pick an all rounder later.
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Jaya was my next pick. Those performances at the 1996 WC redefined the game. But I'm stoked for having him. Class and all that.
 
zing said:
Dhoni has a higher average, lots of not outs because he bats at 6.. Gilchrist opens, played world class new ball bowlers.. think Gilchrist is a far superior batsman.

Dhoni's a bunny if a good bowler has the ball. There's been a dearth of high quality limited overs bowlers in the time Dhoni's played cricket.
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Forget the Gilly comparison. Can you name better finishers in the game?

Dhoni is only suspect in the swinging conditions. But it doesn't show much in ODIs.
 
1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI
5: Zing- PONTING
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
 
Red-Indian said:
Dhoni's a better One-Day batsman than Gilchrist. Even making some allowance for the fact that Dhoni bats low in the order while, Gilchrist opened, his average is better.

Plus he's won the freaking world cup as captain. Only 3-4 players in the draft can say that.
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:lol: Non sense. Gilchrist is the better bat, NQAT. And batting lower in ODIs helps a lot of players to have a better average.
 
Red-Indian said:
Dhoni's a better One-Day batsman than Gilchrist. Even making some allowance for the fact that Dhoni bats low in the order while, Gilchrist opened, his average is better.

Plus he's won the freaking world cup as captain. Only 3-4 players in the draft can say that.
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Gilchrist was a much better batsman.
 
crappycraperson said:
:lol: Non sense. Gilchrist is the better bat, NQAT. And batting lower in ODIs helps a lot of players to have a better average.
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crappycraperson said:
I can but I won't :angel:
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Donadol said:
Gilchrist was a much better batsman.
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I actually agree that Gilchrist was better, and would have taken him if he was available. I still think a lot of people here underrate Dhoni because of his test batting, but in an ODI, he won't be exposed to the moving ball as much, and he is proven to be one of the best around at the moment.
 
Interval Level said:
Forget the Gilly comparison. Can you name better finishers in the game?

Dhoni is only suspect in the swinging conditions. But it doesn't show much in ODIs.
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I think in the time period that Dhoni's played, only South Africa have had good bowlers. He averages 21 in SA and 25 vs SA. Rest of it has been against Kyle Mills, Kulasekara, Perera.

It's not a coincidence. He's a master of taking singles if the ball is doing nothing and with most of these bowlers, the ball does nothing.

I understand that he's finished games well, but the last 2 decades in cricket are not comparable at all in terms of bowling. We've had very, very ordinary ODI bowlers.

This is not to belittle the achievements of other batsmen who've done well in the same time period -- the other batsmen have turned up in swinging/seaming conditions in test cricket and made the same runs they make in other formats. Dhoni, however, we all know what he's made of when a quality bowler's got the ball.

Would Dhoni be still finishing these games if he had the likes of Akram, Younis bowling at him? I think it's almost laughable to suggest that he'd get runs against bowlers of that caliber, regardless of the colour of the ball.

And I've watched almost every single India match over the last 5 years. He is, however, a good player of spin.

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Anyway, let's have this debate elsewhere. It's still a good pick.
 
nm03 said:
I actually agree that Gilchrist was better, and would have taken him if he was available. I still think a lot of people here underrate Dhoni because of his test batting, but in an ODI, he won't be exposed to the moving ball as much, and he is proven to be one of the best around at the moment.
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I don't underrate him. I think he started out great, plateaued a bit after that, is mainly a big game player now which is not a bad thing persay but consistency is always valued. He is a definitely a good player to have, just that I may have picked some other players before him.
 
zing said:
I think in the time period that Dhoni's played, only South Africa have had good bowlers. He averages 21 in SA and 25 vs SA. Rest of it has been against Kyle Mills, Kulasekara, Perera.

It's not a coincidence. He's a master of taking singles if the ball is doing nothing and with most of these bowlers, the ball does nothing.

I understand that he's finished games well, but the last 2 decades in cricket are not comparable at all in terms of bowling. We've had very, very ordinary ODI bowlers.

This is not to belittle the achievements of other batsmen who've done well in the same time period -- the other batsmen have turned up in swinging/seaming conditions in test cricket and made the same runs they make in other formats. Dhoni, however, we all know what he's made of when a quality bowler's got the ball.

Would Dhoni be still finishing these games if he had the likes of Akram, Younis bowling at him? I think it's almost laughable to suggest that he'd get runs against bowlers of that caliber, regardless of the colour of the ball.

And I've watched almost every single India match over the last 5 years. He is, however, a good player of spin.

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Anyway, let's have this debate elsewhere. It's still a good pick.
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Problem has been the ODI pictches. Look at Steyn's ODI record. The type of ODI pitches we have now does not suit attacking pace bowlers that much.
 
zing said:
I think in the time period that Dhoni's played, only South Africa have had good bowlers. He averages 21 in SA and 25 vs SA. Rest of it has been against Kyle Mills, Kulasekara, Perera.

It's not a coincidence. He's a master of taking singles if the ball is doing nothing and with most of these bowlers, the ball does nothing.

I understand that he's finished games well, but the last 2 decades in cricket are not comparable at all in terms of bowling. We've had very, very ordinary ODI bowlers.

This is not to belittle the achievements of other batsmen who've done well in the same time period -- the other batsmen have turned up in swinging/seaming conditions in test cricket and made the same runs they make in other formats. Dhoni, however, we all know what he's made of when a quality bowler's got the ball.

Would Dhoni be still finishing these games if he had the likes of Akram, Younis bowling at him? I think it's almost laughable to suggest that he'd get runs against bowlers of that caliber, regardless of the colour of the ball.

And I've watched almost every single India match over the last 5 years. He is, however, a good player of spin.

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Anyway, let's have this debate elsewhere. It's still a good pick.
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I think you massively underrate Dhoni, he is not as hopeless against pace as you make it out to be.
 
Let's save the Dhoni debate for the games, where he will helicopter them out for a six. Has Aldo been PM'd?
 
Yea. Let's have the debate later.

I'm not pmsging anyone my pick.. because I'm not sure what order I want to pick them in. Will depend on Aldo's pick. If my six hours are up, I'm fine with picking with a 1 place penalty.
 
zing said:
Yea. Let's have the debate later.

I'm not pmsging anyone my pick.. because I'm not sure what order I want to pick them in. Will depend on Aldo's pick. If my six hours are up, I'm fine with picking with a 1 place penalty.
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Don't do that. It slows the entire draft down.
 
nm03 said:
Don't do that. It slows the entire draft down.
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hm, am thinking of doing it because the guy above me is Indian, I think you'll have to wait till morning any way because he doesn't seem to be around.
 
Aldo Picks Michael Bevan

Hi, can you please post my pick, thanks.

Arguably the best finisher the game has seen :

Michael Bevan
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1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI
5: Zing- PONTING
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
 
Zing, you are up next and can pick.

It was between Bevan and Dhoni for me, so I'm not surprised he is gone.
 
alright, I'll do my pick.. give me 20-30 minutes
 
crappycraperson said:
Nothing arguable about it for me...
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If that comment was about the Dhoni vs Bevan, getting a wicketkeeper and captain was very important for me early, so that's what swung it. Not many wicketkeepers bat as well as Dhoni.
 
nm03 said:
If that comment was about the Dhoni vs Bevan, getting a wicketkeeper and captain was very important for me early, so that's what swung it. Not many wicketkeepers bat as well as Dhoni.
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Just talking about Bevan being the best finisher or not.. and I can see your reasoning.
 
Shane Bond

1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI
5: Zing- PONTING, Shane Bond
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden

PMed Varun.
 
Why hasn't this Aldo guy been promoted yet? Seems like a long time to be spent in the newbies
 
I really like shane bond :( . Even though he wasn't as good as akram or others, he is my favorite bowler of all time. Around 2003 world cup, I used to imitate his bowling action(back then I was a lot more interested in cricket). At his peak he was just amazing. So feck you zing. :mad:
 
:D

Pmsg me your pick if you wont be around in the morning. I'll be back checking this thread at 11am from work.
 
Time to pick a quality all rounder. I pick Shane Watson

1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI, WATSON
5: Zing- PONTING, Shane Bond
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
 
Varun_Utd said:
Time to pick a quality all rounder. I pick Shane Watson

1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI, WATSON
5: Zing- PONTING, Shane Bond
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
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You bastard. He was my next pick. :mad:
 
nm03 said:
Aldo Picks Michael Bevan

Hi, can you please post my pick, thanks.

Arguably the best finisher the game has seen :

Michael Bevan
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1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN
3: TheBest- AKRAM
4: Varun- MURALI
5: Zing- PONTING
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
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:mad::(:mad:
 
Lance Klusener for TheBest. Can someone update the list and pm
MBR? Am on my mobile.
 
KC Sangakkara

1: mightberight- KALLIS
2: Donadol- SACHIN, Sangakkara
3: TheBest- AKRAM, Klusener
4: Varun- MURALI, WATSON
5: Zing- PONTING, Shane Bond
6: Aldo - GILCHRIST, BEVAN
7: Desert Eagle - WARNE, Steyn
8: nm03 (AM- RedIndian) - POLLOCK, dhoni
9: Interval - MCGRATH, B LARA
10: KM- Ambrose, Imran Khan
11: crappy - Jayasuriya, Waqar Younis
12: Stretch
13: MJJ-inzamam,dravid
14: OmarDalvi -allan donald, matthew hayden
 
Hi Guys,

I apologise but unfortunately I won't be able to part take. I've been saddled with a huge new project and simply don't have the time to do this. I apologise for the inconvenience as I know it will hamper the plans a bit.

Cheers

Stretch
 
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