Summer 09: Kaka from Milan to Real, Ronaldo from United to Real
Summer 13: Kaka from Real to Milan, Ronaldo from Real to...?
Just sayin'.
Summer 13: Kaka from Real to Milan, Ronaldo from Real to...?
Just sayin'.
Realistic destinations for Kaka?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Solid muppetry. Unfortunately this window has been the death of most muppets.
MLS. He would love the Jesus freaks that would support him. Could be the MLS version of Tebow. I'm going to vomit now.
Supposedly available on a free.
I just saw this too, and he apparently is willing to take a 50% pay cut. If this is all true then I would be more than happy to sign him up. There is definitely still something there
Milan star dreams of United?
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Kaka has said previously that he admires United and has considered joinging us. Where is he going to go from Madrid that would not be a step down? You trying to tell me that Kaka would not be a good signing for us? Is he worse than Clev? Would he really throw us back in our already star-studded midfield? Forget your gifs and rather than trying to mock me with this shit, make some actual statements you tit.
We need players that can play in the deeper midfield positions. We're sorted for attacking midfield/number10/second striker or whatever you want to call it with Rooney and Kagawa who a) barely plays there as it is and b) is better in 2013 than Kaka is.
Is Kaka better in the deep midfield 2 than anything else we've got? Simple answer: No.
Is Kaka in 2013 better than Rooney or Kagawa at playing as the numer 10? Simple answer: No.
Thus, do we need him on near extortionate wages? No.
If we have transfer funds and a gap on the wage bill then we should be spending it on getting someone who can play in the 2 in the 4231 that we play, and fortunately that's what we appear to have been trying to do over the last few days (Herrera, De Rossi etc).
Right so boss. I hope you manage to push those signings through prontish.
I'm not saying Kaka is the answer to our prayers but ffs, we brought Young and Giggs off thr bench the last day. I adore Kagawa and would cut a limb off to have him playing but he is not. I don't pay the players wages and I'm pretty sure you don't, so, if we could get Kaka, Fellani, Rossi and Herra - I xould give a feck if pay them 4M p/week each! We need creativity and a serious injection of it.
"You don't pay the players wages therefore your opinion is of diminished worth. I don't pay them either but here's my more valid opinion"
We're stuck until we get a deeper midfielder.
This is a fantastic piece by Jonathon Wilson that puts across far more eloquently what a lot of us on here have been saying for a while - we have to keep playing Rooney in the central attacking position at the expense of other perhaps more consistently creative options there (like Kagawa, or Berbatov when we had him) because his dynamism and energy makes up for the fact that we don't have a defensively solid central midfielder to play alongside Carrick. When Rooney was unavailable against Swansea we dropped Welbeck in there instead of Kagawa for the same reason we used Welbeck against Madrid at home at the expense of Rooney - energy, harrying, legwork married to skill.
What I'm saying is that even if on some bizarro planet we were interested in Kaka it would be suicidal to play him in his preferred position without having first signed a defensively sound central midfielder. Where else would be play? Hasn't got the turn of pace to play out wide, ineffective deep, not dynamic enough to be one of the deeper central midfield 2 - the only place you can play him is in the number 10 role and until we get a different option in central midfield we've got to play Rooney or Welbeck there unless we're at home against weaker sides.
I am mocking you because you would sign him, even though you don't know what position he plays in first place, and obviously you haven't watched him in last three years at all. Kaka would probably be our fourth or fifth choice in his position(behind Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck, and probably even Giggs), and yet you would bring him to play him out of his position, and you are calling me tit? Idiot.
Kaka behind Welbeck? Christ!
He was fine before he got married. As soon as he got a taste of vagina it was all downhill from there.
Rooney behind Welbeck? Christ!
It is a little baffling to be honest isn't it? He may not be a shade of what he used to be, but when Kaka gets a run of games he is on another level to Welbeck.
It's baffling how people overrate every single player outside their own club, and underrate their own players.
How do you know that, is it because his name is Kaka? Is there a valid argument to confirm he is better than Welbeck?
How do you know that, is it because his name is Kaka? Is there a valid argument to confirm he is better than Welbeck?
I know that because I use the amazing gift of eyesight, and watch bothe of these players. I can use the argument that Kaka has much, much better passing and finishing than Welbeck, who is a striker, his vision and creativity is better. I would say their control is on a similar level, and Welbeck beats him on pace. That's why I think he is on another level.
Ronaldinho has much better technique and creativity, and probably better finishing than Welbeck, do you think we should bring him too?
There is a reason why Kaka spent last three or four season on Real Madrid's bench, and mainly played games against weaker opponents, and those games they already won, and there is a reason why there isn't too much of clubs after him, even after Real Madrid are oferring him for free, and he is ready to cut off 50% of his wages.
Scholes has great creativity, passing, reading of the game, long passes, shooting, almost everything midfielder should have, but still Cleverley played most of our games last season. Legs, stamina, strength, workrate, pace, are one of the most important attributes every player should have, and Kaka has lost almost all of that. He used to be great player, but he simply cannot play on highest level anymore, his legs have gone, he is awfull in body duels, he gets pushed off the ball by almost every defender and midfielder, he is falling down on every contact(and not because he is diving), he can't cope with the pace of the game, he can't do much of a pressing, and closing down the opponents, which in modern games every player does, even strikers like van Persie.
Thank God you have amazing gift f eyesight, but I don't think you have used it too much on watching Kaka in last few years.
His time at Madrid has been a nightmare and the injuries are what's pretty much caused his depression and massive slump. The point is that if he's legit available on a FREE and willing to take a big wage cut, then he'd without a doubt be worth a shot for quite a few of the top clubs and any below the top club level. Kaka needs to be loved. He needs to be at a club that show him love and get him back to being motivated, which is something he wasn't really getting at Madrid and the reason why he needs to get out of there as soon as possible.
It could swing either way. He could go to a club and never refind his form. However, there's a damn good chance that he could move to a new club, find his passion and motivation again and return to being a fantastic player (No, not the level he was at when he was basically the best player in the world, but finding form to become a bloody good player again). And don't be ridiculous, a fully fit Kaka on form would never be fourth/fifth choice in our side. That's all if's and but's though depending on if he could actually return to form.
Time will tell, hopefully he can. I still think he can personally.
I think you need some memory refreshing of last season. Paul Scholes was injured for half the season with a knee injury, and even then he only played 6 games less than him in the premier league. I mean for feck's sake, Ryan Giggs played as many games as Tom Cleverly! Use a better example to back up your argument. As to the stamina and strength point, you think Cleverly has this over Kaka and Paul Scholes? He got subbed off once every 2 games last season , he lasted as long as Anderson does on the pitch!
Kaka is a better AM than Welbeck, he should and would be ahead of him if he stayed fit. Kagawa doesn't rely on his pace, stamina and strength yet he is considered to be one of our future key players this season. Kaka would be just fine.
Have QPR signed him yet?
Yeah, it's obvious that those injuries ruined him,and his time at Madrid.
As for him being fourth choice, I never said fully fit Kaka would be our fourth choice, I said at this moment of time, considering his form in last 3 or 4 years, he would be our fourth choice. Nobody knows the future, but I don't see us giving him any love or gaming time anymore than to our other players in Rooney, Kagawa or Welbeck, and frankly, I don't see why would we take that risk.
People are worried about Kagawa getting game time, and you have Chicharito too who will probaby get his at least 15 starts this season, so that means van Persie will probably play few games behind the striker too(if Rooney is not available) so I really don't see Kaka getting any game time for us, especially as a starter.
Some clubs could risk with him(buy him and give him playing time in expense of some other player(s)), I am not saying they won't, but I don't see any TOP club doing that, especially Manchester United who just got new manager after so many years with Sir Alex, and have so many players who can play behind the striker.
Cleverley played 1445 minutes in league last season, while Scholes played almost half of that - 763. Yes, Scholes was injured, but so was Cleverley "frozen" in the last part of the season. Scholes was injured 4 months, since January untill late of April, but even before that, earlier in the season Cleverley started almost every big match, while Scholes was on the bench. Scholes was fit against Chelsea away, City away, Arsenal home,(played all games before and after those) and yet Cleverley started in all of those.
Anyway, my point was about his retireing, in all those attributes Scholes he is better than Cleverley, hell, he is as good as any midfielder in the world looking by that, and yet he decided to retire, why? I am not saying Kaka is on Scholes' level of stamina and durability, but he sure is far from any top players such as Welbeck.
I know Kagawa doesn't rely on his pace, because of his excellent movemant, creativity, workrate, passing. In all those attributes(except maybe for passing), he is on another level comparing him to Kaka.
This is pretty much like back when we were trying to sign van persie
All the caftards were saying we don't need him because we have rooney and welbeck and hernandez needs more playing time
Not to mention him being injury prone
A year later....
Some players are too good to pass (if we don't get fabregas, mata, ozil or ronaldo.... might as well....)
All the caftards were saying we don't need him because we have rooney and welbeck and hernandez needs more playing time
Not to mention him being injury prone
A year later....
Some players are too good to pass (if we don't get fabregas, mata, ozil or ronaldo.... might as well....)
There is a small difference here - Van Persie was shit hot property when you signed him.
Kaka's drop in performance makes Torres' look like a blip.
Considering what we have though (or lack of), I think we should give it a try
Kaka was awesome
Yeah, same situation. Van Persie was one of the best strikers in the world, best player in premierleague, and Kaka isn't getting any game time, let alone anything better.
edit: B20 was quicker.
edit: B20 was quicker.
No thanks. The ship sailed.
Off to Milan on loan.
He's shit anyway.
Yes, was.
We will distract his wife with Valencia who looks like he is built in all the right places.
Looks like he's accepted a 2 year contract on half the wages at Milan.
No transfer fee, but possible bonus payments and a fee if the sell him on.
Sounds like a sensible deal all round. Assuming the reports are right of course.
No transfer fee, but possible bonus payments and a fee if the sell him on.
Sounds like a sensible deal all round. Assuming the reports are right of course.
Good, low risk deal for Milan because Kaka is going to want to perform to get into the WC squad.
Can't believe how much money Madrid spent on Kaka for the return.
Pity about the injuries. Truly great player.
Pity we didn't seem to be in for him. Would have made for interesting viewing.
Pity we werent in for Kaka?
Yep. For one thing I think he'd improve us a lot, but mostly I think it would simply be really entertaining to see how he would perform.
Are you sure you are not mixing Kaka with Ozil or someone else? Because Kaka is the last thing we need here. He is aging quickly, lost pace, will want a lot of money, injury prone, cant really play on the wings while Ozil can and will not improve us vastly and quite frankly I would start either Kagawa or Rooney over Kaka at this point in his career.
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