Real Madrid need to get ready for a terrible season | It’s happening

JoaquinJoaquin said:
I beg to differ. I think it's nowhere near the level of the Top teams anymore.

Just look at their forward line:

- Bale: Injuries have destroyed him, and needs to leave as the fans are on his back anyways.
- Vazquez: Has he ever actually had a good game? In all my watching of La Liga and the Spanish NT i've never seen him play well. Biggest fraud of a player i've seen in some time tbh.
- Benzema: Not the Benz of old. Past his prime.
- Vinicius jr: The one shining light.
- Mariano Diaz: 25 and nowhere near good enough. Makes Javier Portillo look like Raul.

Midfield:
- Kroos: Dropped a level. Even alot of people in Germany have said similar.
- Modric: Wanted to go to Inter this past Summer, and it shows on the pitch. 33 years old.
- Isco: Excellent player, but seems to of dropped a level. I do think that could be sorted with a new manager, IF they keep him. Alot of talk about him being sold.
- Asensio: Good player. Not a world beater though.
- Casemiro: OK.

Defence:
- Varane & Ramos - Good base CB's. Ramos is 33 this year however, and Varane has his injury issues.
- Nacho: Average, average player. Wouldn't get into any other big European team.
- Reguilon: Has promise, but still very inexperienced.
- Carvajal: Injury problems.
- Vallejo: Young player, could be good, could end up average.
- Odriozola: Been a disappointment this year IMO. The fact he has only played 9 La Liga games says it all.

and then you have the GK's, Courtois is unable to save a shot now for some reason and has been massively exposed.
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But your first sentence is where we disagree, this is not a bad squad and your evaluation is also highly influenced by the current situation and results, it's the same story than United under Mourinho where people actually thought that it was a terrible team.
The midfielders and defenders that you listed are good to very good players, they definitely need more firepower upfront though. When I look at that team, my opinion is that it was built for Ronaldo and due to their messy summer and terrible coaches, they didn't put a plan to get away from that Ronaldo centered philosophy.

The way I see it, they need to find three type of players for their first eleven, a midfield dynamo and two attackers that compliment Vinicius. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they simply meltdown and teardown everything in which case every other clubs need to get ready and get the 2019 versions of Walter Samuel, Makélélé, Robben or Sneijder.
 
Said it before, will say it again: this shows just how amazing Ronaldo is
 
Not every fan would be a fan of Mourinho but if they make Mourinho-Xabi Alonso a reality I think it would make them a lot more accepting.

I don’t think Pochettino is that bothered, he knows he can comfortably stay at Spurs and get big opportunities later on in his career.
 
I remember a Madrid fan on here saying that Asensio will emulate Ronaldo's goal return when he leaves. The utter delusion and also shows just how underappreciated Ronaldo was by the Madrid fans.
 
Damien said:
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/03/06/5c7f0aa146163f24808b45c5.html

Current votes
Who are the main people responsible for this situation? (4822 votes)
The planning from those upstairs: 53%
The players: 10%
Lopetegui/Solari: 7%
Everyone: 30%

Would you count on x next season?
Courtois: 47% Yes, 53% No (4816 votes)
Navas: 77% Yes, 23% No (4460 votes)

Carvajal: 82% Yes, 18% No (4519 votes)
Vallejo: 25% Yes, 75% No (3998 votes)
Ramos: 79% Yes, 21% No (4433 votes)
Varane: 83% Yes, 17% No (3966 votes)
Nacho: 44% Yes, 56% No (3857 votes)
Marcelo: 45% Yes, 55% No (4118 votes)
Odriozola: 66% Yes, 34% No (6850 votes)
Reguilon: 82% Yes, 18% No (3694 votes)

Kroos: 44% Yes, 56% No (4016 votes)
Modric: 66% Yes, 34% No (3984 votes)
Casemiro: 60% Yes, 40% No (3846 votes)
Valverde: 54% Yes, 46% No (6044 votes)
Llorente: 67% Yes, 33% No (3502 votes)
Asensio: 74% Yes, 26% No (6254 votes)
Brahim: 57% Yes, 43% No (5807 votes)
Isco: 62% Yes, 38% No (6344 votes)
Ceballos: 54% Yes, 46% No (3433 votes)

Mariano: 28% Yes, 72% No (3308 votes)
Benzema: 37% Yes, 63% No (6294 votes)
Bale: 13% Yes, 87% No (6641 votes)
Vazquez: 59% Yes, 41% No (3478 votes)
Vinicius: 90% Yes, 10% No (6052 votes)

If Real Madrid could only sign one superstar it would be... (4309 votes)
Hazard: 17%
Mbappe: 63%
Neymar: 10%
Kane: 6%
Salah: 4%

Who should be Real Madrid's head coach? (7296 votes)
Mourinho: 23%
Klopp: 20%
Pochettino: 35%
Allegri: 9%
Conte: 5%
Low: 8%
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:lol: at Courtois
 
carvajal said:
During his time in Madrid I was anti-Mourinhista most of the time, but as I said in some other post I think his word is appreciated by the president.
They have maintained contact and get along well.
I believe and trust that we would see a more relaxed version of Mourinho.
With freedom but warned that Odegaard, Vini, Rodrygo, Valverde, Brahim etc. are the future of the club.
The version with absolute powers is scary.

I mean, I'm aware of what Mourinho is, I assume a catastrophic ending but today it seems logical
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We thought these things when he came. Mourinho is Mourinho. His profile is the last thing Madrid needs.
Madrid need to change their model. They need a builder. Pochettino is their man. They need someone who can restart the squad using the young players.
 
I don't think Real have a top-level squad, but it's actually not as bad as it seems (about 4-6 players off). The management post-Zidane has been atrocious. With JuLo, the warning signs were there even before he was signed. Said at the time it was a bad call, regardless of a few good wins with Spain and so it proved. Santi was always meant to be a stop-gap, but again, the record was ominous. He was terrible with Castilla and more than anything, was uninspiring. Apart from his bringing in Vinicius and Reguilon, Santi has not changed much. Tactically, he's been poor and predictable most of the time. This is compounded by players not being challenged for their positions. The MF and back 4 pick themselves - barring Marcelo's fall. The forwards too leave hardly any options, specially after Santi and Isco fell out. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that when the competition for places drops, intensity as well as fitness suffers as the same XI plays every key game, barring when injuries / suspension necessitate changes.

This is where the lack of ready first-team signings has hurt. The squad was ageing even last season - and I'd expected last summer (2017) to see a couple of first-teamers bought, a CM and FB in particular, along with Mbappe up top. Madness to have let Mbappe slip - and compounded by not bringing in an established MF player. In 2018, I'd have expected them to bolster the 2017 purchases with another 2 or 3; a striker to replace Benz, an AM to ease Modric out over the season and a top-class CB to do the same with Ramos. Do this alongside the rough-diamond purchases like Vini and Rodrygo and the team would keep winning while regenerating. As we know, Flo is thick and didn't. Here's where Zidane's management hid a lot of cracks the last 2 seasons - and last season in particular. He knew when to rotate and which players and systems to use when. Probably the most tactically flexible manager I've seen in a long while (before Ole rocked up) and that saw a lot of the players being rated way higher than they should have been. Morata, Isco, Asensio, Vazquez all looked like they were ready for the absolute top level given how they did when Zidane used them. All have fallen massively after leaving his team.

So now, feel Real will need to make those signings in one window instead of over 3. Leaves about 6 players to be brought in to the first team (some to replace and some to add depth) - barring a sudden recovery / surge in the kids that've been picked up (some for fair sums of money) the last few seasons.
 
This debacle does put Zidane in a better light, it seems that he was more than a glorified cheerleader.
 
JPRouve said:
But your first sentence is where we disagree, this is not a bad squad and your evaluation is also highly influenced by the current situation and results, it's the same story than United under Mourinho where people actually thought that it was a terrible team.
The midfielders and defenders that you listed are good to very good players, they definitely need more firepower upfront though. When I look at that team, my opinion is that it was built for Ronaldo and due to their messy summer and terrible coaches, they didn't put a plan to get away from that Ronaldo centered philosophy.

The way I see it, they need to find three type of players for their first eleven, a midfield dynamo and two attackers that compliment Vinicius. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they simply meltdown and teardown everything in which case every other clubs need to get ready and get the 2019 versions of Walter Samuel, Makélélé, Robben or Sneijder.
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Real Madrid the last few seasons was not "built for Ronaldo". Zidane built the most tactically flexible team. When Ronaldo played, the team played to his strengths, but he was often rested and Zidane was able to get results even without Ronaldo. He won the league while resting Ronaldo a lot of the time. The issue is the lack of regeneration and the absence of a challenge for different spots.

JPRouve said:
This debacle does put Zidane in a better light, it seems that he was more than a glorified cheerleader.
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Zidane is very under-rated for his work at Madrid.
 
midnightmare said:
Real Madrid the last few seasons was not "built for Ronaldo". Zidane built the most tactically flexible team. When Ronaldo played, the team played to his strengths, but he was often rested and Zidane was able to get results even without Ronaldo. He won the league while resting Ronaldo a lot of the time. The issue is the lack of regeneration and the absence of a challenge for different spots.
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I'm talking about the team not the tactic used by Zidane. This team has been built for Ronaldo it's a fact, Zidane tried to build an actual team and kind of succeeded without changing personnel, when Zidane and Ronaldo left, they lost the player the was built for and the manager able to not totally rely on him(Even though they heavily did).
 
JPRouve said:
This debacle does put Zidane in a better light, it seems that he was more than a glorified cheerleader.
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And one of the reason why we should be still considering him, despite how well Ole has done along with Poch. I was offended last year with people saying that tactically Zidane was always found wanting. His tactics, along with Ronaldo, made Madrid a much better team and could play different styles in different matches and they would gain results from it. He's a fantastic coach and he'll do well wherever he goes next (Most likely Juventus)
 
Madrid are at rock bottom, this is the time for them to rebuild and hire an expansive good footballing coach.

Instead they'll make the same mistake we did and go for the short fix in Mourinho. Their good cycle has now ended.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Madrid are at rock bottom, this is the time for them to rebuild and hire an expansive good footballing coach.

Instead they'll make the same mistake we did and go for the short fix in Mourinho. Their good cycle has now ended.
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Is Mourinho even a short fix in his current state? I'm not so sure.
 
KC ROYAL said:
Bale seems to be almost public enemy No1 at Real just now.
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Every Madrid player deserves the abuse they get. The players know what they're in for going to a club of cnut fans.

They boo'd Ronaldo ffs. Ronaldo is the only reason they won anything domestically because they're firmly Barcelona's bitch.

I did however feel sorry for Bale that he tried play on when injured, only because he knows the fans hate him :lol:
 
Shark said:
Is Mourinho even a short fix in his current state? I'm not so sure.
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From what we saw with us, no way.

I just don't see him having the motivation anymore. He isn't flexible enough to adapt to other people's personalities. It's "be my soldier and die for the cause, or nothing".

People just aren't like that anymore. I can see Perez giving into his demands and he'll spend a shitload of money, but I don't think they'll get close again.
 
That would be a terrible appointment. His only use is established teams where he can spend loads of money on 28 year olds +. He doesn't have the qualities or the patience to see through a transition phase and bring the best out of young players like Vinicius. Look at his despicable comments in the summer, he fecking hates young players and there's little evidence he can build a new team from one at the end of it's cycle. He's the worst appointment possible. This would be great.
 
JPRouve said:
I'm talking about the team not the tactic used by Zidane. This team has been built for Ronaldo it's a fact, Zidane tried to build an actual team and kind of succeeded without changing personnel, when Zidane and Ronaldo left, they lost the player the was built for and the manager able to not totally rely on him(Even though they heavily did).
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To an extent, perhaps, but only (in my opinion) to the goal-scoring burden in the front-line. Benzema had less pressure to score as long as he helped Ronaldo, and it also placed less pressure on the MF to chip in with goals as the forward line was scoring enough. The big mistake was Flo assuming that Benzema, Modric and Bale would up their scoring rates after Ronaldo. They're not half as prolific as they'd need to be (and Bale isn't fit most of the time anyway). What has hurt more, to be honest, is the fall of Isco and the failure to step up of Vazquez and Asensio. They were used extensively by Zidane and scored some crucial goals, but that masked the fact that Zidane used them very smartly. They're not the top-drawer scorers that the optics then seemed to suggest.
 
Instead they'll make the same mistake we did and go for the short fix in Mourinho. Their good cycle has now ended.[/QUOTE]

I doubt any top club will approach mourino., his moroseness, defensive style of play and friction with players is well established now and not a one off at madrid, chelsea and now mu.
 
Interesting to see the majority of Madrid fans on twitter back-peddling on Jose now having been strongly opposed to 'the special one' returning to Madrid since Benitez was pushed out a few seasons back.
The 'But he wasn't backed at United' is becoming quite a trending and excusable opinion with them.
 
Trizy said:
Every Madrid player deserves the abuse they get. The players know what they're in for going to a club of cnut fans.

They boo'd Ronaldo ffs. Ronaldo is the only reason they won anything domestically because they're firmly Barcelona's bitch.

I did however feel sorry for Bale that he tried play on when injured, only because he knows the fans hate him :lol:
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Since Guardiola's appointment in 2008, Barcelona and Real Madrid met 22 times in the league - and Barcelona won 14 of those games! That's insane. Even while winning CL after CL under Zidane they beat Barcelona only once in La Liga.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Madrid are at rock bottom, this is the time for them to rebuild and hire an expansive good footballing coach.

Instead they'll make the same mistake we did and go for the short fix in Mourinho. Their good cycle has now ended.
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The last season (2017-18) was already a mirage (thanks to pitiful Liverpool it prolongued the inevitable-yet the signs were there: Zidane quitting, bad liga season, Modric overshadowing CR, etc).

Floren had +12 months to avoid this (Feb 2019) but blew it.
 
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Bringing in Mourinho to rebuild an ageing squad? Yes, please. He'll sign Willian and bring Diego Milito back from retirement, while shifting Asensio and Vinicius.
 
Baffling after what Jose did to us so many Real fans want him back, they've already experienced it once! He'll be even more of a nightmare there than he was here. There's no such thing as a new "relaxed" version, he's simply an uninterested version, he doesn't have the fire or the passion anymore.
 
Siorac said:
Since Guardiola's appointment in 2008, Barcelona and Real Madrid met 22 times in the league - and Barcelona won 14 of those games! That's insane. Even while winning CL after CL under Zidane they beat Barcelona only once in La Liga.
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Yup. I saw a stat the other day about Barcelona vs Madrid since Messi's debut, Barcelona have won 30 El Classicos and only lost 8 (not sure how many draws, if any)
 
Trizy said:
Yup. I saw a stat the other day about Barcelona vs Madrid since Messi's debut, Barcelona have won 30 El Classicos and only lost 8 (not sure how many draws, if any)
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Yeah I posted that in the Messi thread thanks to a comment I saw on reddit.

Before Messi's debut, Barcelona had only a 19% win-rate at the Bernabeu, and head-to-head was 87-66 in Madrid's favour. Between Messi's debut and now, Barcelona have a 55% win-rate at the Bernabeu, and the head-to-head is now 96-95 for Barca.
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Peyroteo said:
People that talk about building for the future around their young core have no clue what Real Madrid is. The goal is to win every season, not 5 years from now.

If they get Pochettino and he’s giving these youngsters game time and improving them he still won’t see a second season if they end up winning feck all.

2 years in a row without winning anything and a third year in a row with a poor league campaign would be a disaster. They need some galácticos and as close to a guarantee as possible that they can get back to having 90+ point league campaigns.
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That's the goal, but it's completely typical for them to go through these periods where they struggle to replace ageing stars and suffer a few years of poor results.
 
JPRouve said:
This debacle does put Zidane in a better light, it seems that he was more than a glorified cheerleader.
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Yes and No. Perhaps Zidane saw the writing on the wall and got out while he could. We will never know if this Madrid team would have performed better with him at the helm.

Some managers just have a good inkling of when its the right time to move on from a club. They stay for the club's rise but leave as soon as it looks like a downward spiral is on its way.
 
JSArsenal said:
Yes and No. Perhaps Zidane saw the writing on the wall and got out while he could. We will never know if this Madrid team would have performed better with him at the helm.

Some managers just have a good inkling of when its the right time to move on from a club. They stay for the club's rise but leave as soon as it looks like a downward spiral is on its way.
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If the rumours are correct one of the reason he left could be the transfer strategy, so you can't really blame a manager for leaving when they see an issue and disagree with the strategy. Bearing in mind that Zidane worked with the players that were already there, he didn't bring any first teamers.
 
Siorac said:
Since Guardiola's appointment in 2008, Barcelona and Real Madrid met 22 times in the league - and Barcelona won 14 of those games! That's insane. Even while winning CL after CL under Zidane they beat Barcelona only once in La Liga.
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During Ronaldo’s time at Madrid: 14 wins for Barcelona, 8 draws, 10 wins for Madrid.

It wasn’t so bad. Especially since they must have finished about half of those matches playing with 10 men.
 
JPRouve said:
If the rumours are correct one of the reason he left could be the transfer strategy, so you can't really blame a manager for leaving when they see an issue and disagree with the strategy. Bearing in mind that Zidane worked with the players that were already there, he didn't bring any first teamers.
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I don't blame him for leaving, its par for the course. In fact, I have no problem with managers doing what is best for them because the average club will show the manager zero loyalty when things start to go south

I just don't like the notion that Zidane's reputation is being increased because he isn't presiding over this current mess. Its praising him for something he hasn't done.
 
JSArsenal said:
I don't blame him for leaving, its par for the course. In fact, I have no problem with managers doing what is best for them because the average club will show the manager zero loyalty when things start to go south

I just don't like the notion that Zidane's reputation is being increased because he isn't presiding over this current mess. Its praising him for something he hasn't done.
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That's not what I said. Last year, people suggested that he was just a cheerleader and what happens this year shows that you need to be more than that, we are not going to pretend that this team is bad or magically turned into a pumpkin, coaching played a big part in their recent successes, as much as Ronaldo's talent.
 
Caf was set on Madrid becoming a better TEAM and playing better, more well rounded football that what would lead to better results.....

Another glorious prediction by the caf :lol:
 
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