Real Madrid need to get ready for a terrible season | It’s happening

I think Real fans were singing Jamás Mourinho and it got lost in the noise of celebrating Ajax fans.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Madrid got Mourinho at the peak of his powers and yet it still ended with him losing the dressing room and losing to Atletico at home in the cup final.

Now they're getting a Mourinho that has lost another 2 dressing rooms, been sacked twice and shown he is completely unwilling or incapable of adapting his methods to modern football.

They're getting an inferior version of the Mourinho that didn't work the first time anyway. It's very odd.
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Is it too early to start the "Real 2020/21 : when will they sack Jose?" thread?
 
Real Madrid is in the worst possible scenario for Jose. Transition period with bunch of youngsters. What could go wrong eh?

Jose is more of a manager for almost there team/squad to take them the next step for winning, maybe such as PSG if they don't win the CL this year.
 
Benzema, Navas, Ramos and Isco praying they get Zidane while Bale, Courtois and Lucas Vasquez pray they get Mourinho :lol:

I think the best thing about signing Mourinho would be that he always demands the board spends heavily and puts pressure on them to give him big names during the summer. With Perez refusing to do so in the past few years it might be what they need in the short term.

The Ramos-Mou drama would be so good :drool:
 
I think whoever the new Real Madrid manager will be, at least two out of Hazard, Eriksen, Militao and a centre forward (Icardi?) will be signed.

Just don't think they'll appoint Mourinho and will go for a manager who will look towards giving the young players they've invested a lot of money in a chance but with the likes of Hazard and a new centre forward seen as the main source of goals so there isn't as much pressure on Vinicius, Rodrygo and whoever when they do play.
 
Peyroteo said:
Sorry, I don’t like repeating myself over and over again... I’ve made that exact comment at least six or seven different times and you keep ignoring it.

It’s complete bullshit that Messi has adapted to his attacking partners more than Ronaldo has. Just pure and complete lack of knowledge about the game to argue that.

Zidane’s Madrid didn’t have a system, they were probably the most multidimensional attacking team ever. Crossing was a part of it, not their strategy. Barcelona have one system, one way of playing. Madrid without Ronaldo lose goals, character and quality, Barcelona without Messi lose their system and ideology. It’s not the same at all. It’s the complete opposite.

Madrid played to get the best out of everyone else (midfield in particular) with Ronaldo adapting to it, Barcelona in the past seasons have played to get the best out of Messi with everyone else adapting to it. Which can work only if the team around him is capable of it and in the past couple of seasons both with Argentina and Barcelona it clearly hasn’t. Regardless of how good you think they were, it’s a fact that they haven’t got the best out of their squads.

This is the last time I’m making this exact same comment, you can misquote it and call me an hypocrit how many more times you want. I’ll just start linking back to it because I’m tired of writing the same thing for two years now.

Also, you should be ashamed to even comment here on a day like today after what you’ve been arguing for years.
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In Barca's case you're obviously only talking about the CL but you can't judge how successful their system is by only looking at a couple of games in one competition and ignore everything else.
In a few months they will probably have won 4/5 of the last La Liga's and 5/5 CDR's, competing with the current 3-time CL champs and one of the best teams in Europe in Atletico, while also finishing last season with one loss respectively in the league, cup and CL and setting the record for longest streak without a loss in Spain with 43. How exactly is that a testament of them not getting the best out of their squad?

I'd love to meet the manager or DOF who would say "we lost 3/58 games last season and went 43 games unbeaten, this is clearly not working".
 
I've read elsewhere that Madrid are prepared to give the next manager a blank cheque to buy whomever they want. Imagine giving all that to Mourinho? He would be buy all the old players at exorbitant prices. Real would be left with a bunch of old guys with enormous wages. All their young lads would have been marginalised.

I just cannot believe Perez would be that stupid.
 
We need to renew the spine of the team. I'm not a fan of Varane, personally i'd pay whatever it takes to get De Ligt. Then we need to replace Kroos, Eriksen being the obvious choice. And then we need a proper goalscorer. Someone like Kane or Salah. The rest is about who leaves and who stays. Selling Varane, Bale and Kroos should allows us to make those signings. Throw in Militao and maybe a replacement for Modric if he still wants to leave. Either way i would go for Fabian Ruiz. Maybe offer Ceballos in exchange. And Lo Celso
 
giorno said:
PLEEEEEEASEEEEE ZIZOU COME BACK :(:(:(
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Don´t get your hopes up. Zidane with power to sign it seems too good.
giorno said:
We need to renew the spine of the team. I'm not a fan of Varane, personally i'd pay whatever it takes to get De Ligt. Then we need to replace Kroos, Eriksen being the obvious choice. And then we need a proper goalscorer. Someone like Kane or Salah. The rest is about who leaves and who stays. Selling Varane, Bale and Kroos should allows us to make those signings. Throw in Militao and maybe a replacement for Modric if he still wants to leave. Either way i would go for Fabian Ruiz. Maybe offer Ceballos in exchange. And Lo Celso
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I think Militao is almost signed. Salah does not convince me. I would go with everything for Kane, but Kane and Eriksen in the same summer ...
Is there an option other than Eriksen?
He seems to be in all the lists. Fabian and Lo Celso sound great but would you give Ceballos?
 
I want to feel sorry for them last night but feck 'em. They are the biggest club in the world and still have the biggest appeal to any professional footballer. They can sign pretty much any player they want so they will be back to the top again.
 
Zlaatan said:
In Barca's case you're obviously only talking about the CL but you can't judge how successful their system is by only looking at a couple of games in one competition and ignore everything else.
In a few months they will probably have won 4/5 of the last La Liga's and 5/5 CDR's, competing with the current 3-time CL champs and one of the best teams in Europe in Atletico, while also finishing last season with one loss respectively in the league, cup and CL and setting the record for longest streak without a loss in Spain with 43. How exactly is that a testament of them not getting the best out of their squad?

I'd love to meet the manager or DOF who would say "we lost 3/58 games last season and went 43 games unbeaten, this is clearly not working".
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The Champions League is their main goal and they haven’t made a semifinal since 2015... knockout football is very different from league football. It’s a dogfight. What works best in one place doesn’t necessarily translate to the other. The most important trophies in the sport just happen to have knockout ties... so what translates better to knockout football should be given more importance.

It’s one thing to have one poor year and luck always plays a part but what’s been happening at Barcelona is a systematic failure and it’s easy to tell even in the ties they’ve won. They either fix it up or fill the squad with so much quality that it stops mattering which seems to be the root they’re taking.

With the team they have and no other great teams about they might win the treble even with the problems they have but what’s undeniable is that they’re not maximizing that squad’s performance levels at all.
 
Peyroteo said:
The Champions League is their main goal and they haven’t made a semifinal since 2015... knockout football is very different from league football. It’s a dogfight. What works best in one place doesn’t necessarily translate to the other. The most important trophies in the sport just happen to have knockout ties... so what translates better to knockout football should be given more importance.

It’s one thing to have one poor year and luck always plays a part but what’s been happening at Barcelona is a systematic failure and it’s easy to tell even in the ties they’ve won. They either fix it up or fill the squad with so much quality that it stops mattering which seems to be the root they’re taking.

With the team they have and no other great teams about they might win the treble even with the problems they have but what’s undeniable is that they’re not maximizing that squad’s performance levels at all.
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So you were only talking about the CL then, not the system or what Barca and Real have accomplished on the whole over the past couple of years.

The CL is the most prestigious trophy obviously but I would guess that Barca's main goal is to win every game they play, CL or not, just like every other top team in Europe. I would be very surprised if any team except PSG (HA! :D) sits down before the season and state that the CL is more important than the league, and I'm quite positive that Barcelona wouldn't think that it's a good idea to rework the system that has allowed them to dominate the domestic competitions, which includes two teams that has done very well in the CL, for years on end just because it's been an eternity since their last CL win in....2015. It's just not reasonable.
Going out to Atletico or Juve (who both went on to the final respectively) is hardly a fiasco either, the only tie they should have won was against Roma imo and they lost that on a 4-4 aggregate.

BTW Barca's record against Atletico over the last few years is incredible, (Atletico have won 2/19 games) yet they've been eliminated by them in the CL two times in the last 5 years (so Atletico have won 0/17 domestically over this period). Do you seriously think that a CL knock-out tie changes the dynamics for these two teams so drastically that Barca should change their whole way of playing to be able to advance against a team they've lost to twice in the last 19 games?

And I don't get how Real could be considered so multi dimensional when they were so poor domestically compared to Barca, as well as in the H2H's. Have the Spanish teams somehow been better at stopping Real's versatility than Barca's one-way system over the last three years, and it's the other way around for foreign teams?
 
No sympathy whatsoever for them.

Zidane would be mental to go back and Jose going back would just be bonkers all round. Him and Ramos together again? Why bring that stress on the club willingly?
 
So Zidane left because he didn't want to make a rebuild, but but they want him now to make the rebuild. Makes perfect sense for me.
 
Robertd0803 said:
No sympathy whatsoever for them.

Zidane would be mental to go back and Jose going back would just be bonkers all round. Him and Ramos together again? Why bring that stress on the club willingly?
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Pretty certain if Jose were to return to Madrid Ramos will be forced out.
Perez has reportedly rarely seen eye-to-eye with Ramos yet the later always had the advantage over the fact that he was a excellent player and was a hugely influential figure in the changing room dynamics.Now that Ramos is clearly showing evident signs of decline ,now would be the perfect time for him and the club to part ways.

Jose could then focus all his energy in making his darling CB Varane the main defensive figurehead.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Pretty certain if Jose were to return to Madrid Ramos will be forced out.
Perez has reportedly rarely seen eye-to-eye with Ramos yet the later always had the advantage over the fact that he was a excellent player and was a hugely influential figure in the changing room dynamics.Now that Ramos is clearly showing evident signs of decline ,now would be the perfect time for him and the club to part ways.

Jose could then focus all his energy in making his darling CB Varane the main defensive figurehead.
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Yeah it would make the most sense.
 
el3mel said:
So Zidane left because he didn't want to make a rebuild, but but they want him now to make the rebuild. Makes perfect sense for me.
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The first affirmation is not correct, no one said that he didn't want to make a rebuild. The rumour is that there was a disagreement on the rebuilding plans.
 
Why are people here talking about it being the perfect time to move on from the likes of Ramos or Modric when they’re two of the few who are clearly good enough?

They need to add quality to the team, not throw away the quality they already have.

I don’t care how old they are, they’re still performing.
 
They should be fifth or sixth with their points total but they're third with Getafe a long way off in fourth.
 
As long as that cheat Ramos is at RM, there can be no change. There is just too much player power and politics in that club with Ramos at its helm. Any manager who wants to rebuild RM would be very wary of the job because of this reason.
 
JPRouve said:
The first affirmation is not correct, no one said that he didn't want to make a rebuild. The rumour is that there was a disagreement on the rebuilding plans.
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About replacing Navas with Courtois and about Bale, right?
 

Butragueno is trying to convince Zidane to accept Real Madrid Job.

Zidane’s condition to return is for the club to clear out the old guard and start a new revolution.
 
Judas said:
Cheeky bid for Ramos if Jose goes to Real? He's a bastard of a bloke, but I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Ole doesn't seem a fan of signing older players, esoeespeci on big wages. We will look for a long term solution.
 
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