The expression of many United fans after hearing the alleged first offer for De Gea.
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The expression of many United fans after hearing the alleged first offer for De Gea.
It's a little hypocritical to hate them for taking other clubs best players. We do exactly the same.
I actually quite like them as a club, although Perez seems to be a muppet.
I actually quite like them as a club, although Perez seems to be a muppet.
Such a shady past, they may be the most successful club of all time but there something artificial and cold about everything they do.
They are ok, i like their kits and some of their players.
We buy players we are a huge club, who does not? they just take anyone who has a better toy than them. Much like Chelsea and city, they have spent money that was not their money, the Spanish government just writes off another Madrid can never pay. No matter how badly they treat their managers and employers when they get bored/sick of them, players continue to go there like they want the abuse, because it is a challenge. God help if some players like a club which is stable
If players look at Madrid has a city, and the history, it sounds like an attractive club, ask ronaldo? but seeing everything that club stands for, the people working and treatment of employers, along with the fans jeering players at every chance they get, in theory players would stay away from that club like the 10 plagues. But in reality? that never will happen, because it is such an awesome club to players, the history/city and warm climate yes, the actual people supporting and running the club its not an awesome club, but players still get that WOW factor without seeing the rotting core that lurks within that asylum
Being indisputably the most arrogant club in the world alone would be some feat, but they accomplish it by some distance.
You first two sentences are directly contradictory. It sounds more like you're jealous that they can attract the best players from the best clubs, much more regularly than we can.
I'd say it's only a matter of time before their recent financial activity and their treatment of managers and players will bite them in the arse... Somehow they really do seem to be getting away with it though. Players don't seem to rate stability high up their list when choosing a club
https://sites.duke.edu/wcwp/research-projects/spain/franco-gets-his-man/
De Stefano was a fairly important player for you, no?
all that money wasted could jumpstart spain's economy 
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You first two sentences are directly contradictory. It sounds more like you're jealous that they can attract the best players from the best clubs, much more regularly than we can.
I'd say it's only a matter of time before their recent financial activity and their treatment of managers and players will bite them in the arse... Somehow they really do seem to be getting away with it though. Players don't seem to rate stability high up their list when choosing a club
They only attract the best players clearly because our climate is our Achilles heel, who wants to play in cold rainy city of Manchester long term? its one of the reasons why ronaldo packed up, better climate. I do not think its bitter, funded by the Spanish government who can write off their debts, spend money like a drunken blond who sees a shoe shop, with a phone in one hand, a bag with a dog in the other, oh lets spend 2K on a pair of shoes
We should be angry at Dave for not signing a new contract and the club for not getting him to sign a new one every year
So when John Henry Davies and the others saved you from bankrupcy, was that spending money that wasn't yours, and therefore a terrible thing?
But on topic.. Real are dicks.
Madrid are worse than Talksport adverts.
Madrid are worse than feeling a stone in your shoe, taking your show off, being unable to find the stone, putting your shoe back on, and still feeling a stone in your shoe.
Madrid are worse than forgetting to click the "Keep me logged in" button when signing into a website.
Madrid are worse than leaving the fridge door slightly open by mistake.
Madrid are worse than AIDS.
Madrid are worse than people who drive at ten miles an hour slower than the actual speed limit.
Madrid are worse than peeling the plastic seal from a new bottle of milk and the ring pull breaking off before you can open it.
Madrid are worse than my dope smoking jobless layabout rich kid cnut neighbour who blasts his music 24/7 and refuses to answer his door.
Madrid are worse than my gay car.
Madrid are the worst. Just the worst.
Madrid are worse than feeling a stone in your shoe, taking your show off, being unable to find the stone, putting your shoe back on, and still feeling a stone in your shoe.
Madrid are worse than forgetting to click the "Keep me logged in" button when signing into a website.
Madrid are worse than leaving the fridge door slightly open by mistake.
Madrid are worse than AIDS.
Madrid are worse than people who drive at ten miles an hour slower than the actual speed limit.
Madrid are worse than peeling the plastic seal from a new bottle of milk and the ring pull breaking off before you can open it.
Madrid are worse than my dope smoking jobless layabout rich kid cnut neighbour who blasts his music 24/7 and refuses to answer his door.
Madrid are worse than my gay car.
Madrid are the worst. Just the worst.
But are we worse than Waldner's taste in television?
It's well known that Franco and his cronies bribed referees and that had a lot to do with Real winning 5 Champions leagues in a row in the 50's even though they had a great team.
Then in 2001 there was the selling of the Madrid training ground controversy where the Madrid city council paid Real Madrid 500 Euros for the land and many believed Madrid City Council had paid many times higher than it's actual value for it to help Real have truck loads of extra cash to spend again and wipe away debts. The Spanish banks apparently have written off the Madrid debts on numerous occasions in the past in dubious circumstances.
You'd have to wonder whether Madrid bribed that Turkish ref who sent Nani off against Madrid a few seasons ago. Bribing refs is rife in football. Porto got caught doing it a few seasons ago. The Turkish ref claims he was Swiss ref kurt rothlisberger accepting a bribe to cost Man Utd against Galatasary in 1993. You get the feeling Madrid are well in on the bribing thing if they knew they could get away with it
Then in 2001 there was the selling of the Madrid training ground controversy where the Madrid city council paid Real Madrid 500 Euros for the land and many believed Madrid City Council had paid many times higher than it's actual value for it to help Real have truck loads of extra cash to spend again and wipe away debts. The Spanish banks apparently have written off the Madrid debts on numerous occasions in the past in dubious circumstances.
You'd have to wonder whether Madrid bribed that Turkish ref who sent Nani off against Madrid a few seasons ago. Bribing refs is rife in football. Porto got caught doing it a few seasons ago. The Turkish ref claims he was Swiss ref kurt rothlisberger accepting a bribe to cost Man Utd against Galatasary in 1993. You get the feeling Madrid are well in on the bribing thing if they knew they could get away with it
Pssssst (I don't actually think Madrid are the worst, that award goes to Barcelona, and nothing's worse than Waldner's taste in television).
Not their fault they can pretty much swoop in for your best players when they desire and land him almost everytime. Perhaps if United was more desirable?
I don´t know the sentence in English but in spanish is something like "it's important that they talk about us, even if is bad". Don´t be so worried, soon United will be the best club in the world (Madrid is already looking at the Milky Way ), the first team in the Forbes list too, then you will be able to mix your post: 50% "we are a old fashion club with values" , 50% "Adidas/Chevrolet/Let´s buy everybody"
I sympathize with United, I imagine that is hard to see that the best player wants to leave to another team, despite the loyalty of the fans and the very generous offer to renew, actually probably is doubly hard, since is not the first time that this happens .I say "imagine" since I never have lived the fact that a Madrid super star beg to the board to be sold. In any case, if it happens, surely the club would show pride and sell him immediately rather than hold him one year against his will. The Franco information is wrong because FIFA accepted that Di Stefano played a year with each team , besides not only him was nationalized but also Kubala.There are books about Di Stefano case so I don´t think that an article is going to finish the debate, promoted for Manuel Vázquez Montalban and french press from the 80´s. About the government funding I'm still waiting for solid information instead of speculations.
Despicable fans who have no idea of football, fickle (like 90% of the Spanish fans of any team?), a bloody circus. Madrid really must be a tropical paradise, otherwise they would not come here. However I can not say anything negative about United, would be disrespectful after seeing as they paid 75 million for Di Maria . If they continue behaving well quickly will become our favorite recycling club. When we have leftovers United will be the first in the list
Well, this was just a joke to all the junk that has been written before(in the Benitez thread as well), but I'm glad to see some posters who know what they say and are able to see the limits or joke without bitterness.
Now seriously, if the thread is a general discussion about Madrid I must say I am quite disappointed and pessimistic about the future.
The transfer market used to be like the 3 wise men day for the kids, gifts for everybody, but now I don´t see any signing able to switch the dynamic of superiority of Barcelona, simply because Suarez scores more than Karim, because Neymar is better than Bale and of course Messi, who is in a totally different league, besides the problem of our president ,who is determined to see his signings succeed at all costs. In the other hand the manager issue. Ancelotti was suddenly a saint for his players, the best manager ever, but actually was the best for the 13 players that played all the games. Navas, Jesé, Bale, Varane and probably Isco are happy to see some changes. I recently read that Cristiano refused to change his position in the field, and now Bale is doing the same, refusing to play on the right.
Most of my predictions about the future of the club and sales appear to be wrong, maybe for this the club is so entertaining. Although Benitez is well considered in Spain and protected by the press I thought that Zidane would be the coach. I think that this is cyclical in Madrid, when things go wrong they say " He has lost control of the dressing room," "We are weak" "Players are prima donnas, they need a warning", the term that always uses the press is "sergeant". The sergeant arrives to straighten things but when things go wrong the speech changes"Madrid should not use two defensive midfielders " , "With this team we have to play better," " is a disgrace give the ball possession" . Benito Floro ( Sergeant ) , Valdano (easy going/passing football ) Capello ( Sergeant ) , Schuster / Pellegrini ( pass ) , Mourinho(sergeant) , Ancelotti ,now Benitez so...in 2017..Low/Zidane/Klopp/Raúl/etc. By the way I am from the 50% that would sell Cristiano(although the poll was created for a PSG interest in summer 2016,not now). If he get the top scorer record before Christmas he can go in that market. In the same way I know a lot of culés that wanted to sell Messi a year ago, and probably their speech will change as soon as he is 30.
), the first team in the Forbes list too, then you will be able to mix your post: 50% "we are a old fashion club with values" , 50% "Adidas/Chevrolet/Let´s buy everybody"I sympathize with United, I imagine that is hard to see that the best player wants to leave to another team, despite the loyalty of the fans and the very generous offer to renew, actually probably is doubly hard, since is not the first time that this happens .I say "imagine" since I never have lived the fact that a Madrid super star beg to the board to be sold. In any case, if it happens, surely the club would show pride and sell him immediately rather than hold him one year against his will. The Franco information is wrong because FIFA accepted that Di Stefano played a year with each team , besides not only him was nationalized but also Kubala.There are books about Di Stefano case so I don´t think that an article is going to finish the debate, promoted for Manuel Vázquez Montalban and french press from the 80´s. About the government funding I'm still waiting for solid information instead of speculations.
Despicable fans who have no idea of football, fickle (like 90% of the Spanish fans of any team?), a bloody circus. Madrid really must be a tropical paradise, otherwise they would not come here. However I can not say anything negative about United, would be disrespectful after seeing as they paid 75 million for Di Maria
. If they continue behaving well quickly will become our favorite recycling club. When we have leftovers United will be the first in the list Well, this was just a joke to all the junk that has been written before(in the Benitez thread as well), but I'm glad to see some posters who know what they say and are able to see the limits or joke without bitterness.
Now seriously, if the thread is a general discussion about Madrid I must say I am quite disappointed and pessimistic about the future.
The transfer market used to be like the 3 wise men day for the kids, gifts for everybody
, but now I don´t see any signing able to switch the dynamic of superiority of Barcelona, simply because Suarez scores more than Karim, because Neymar is better than Bale and of course Messi, who is in a totally different league, besides the problem of our president ,who is determined to see his signings succeed at all costs. In the other hand the manager issue. Ancelotti was suddenly a saint for his players, the best manager ever, but actually was the best for the 13 players that played all the games. Navas, Jesé, Bale, Varane and probably Isco are happy to see some changes. I recently read that Cristiano refused to change his position in the field, and now Bale is doing the same, refusing to play on the right.Most of my predictions about the future of the club and sales appear to be wrong, maybe for this the club is so entertaining. Although Benitez is well considered in Spain and protected by the press I thought that Zidane would be the coach. I think that this is cyclical in Madrid, when things go wrong they say " He has lost control of the dressing room," "We are weak" "Players are prima donnas, they need a warning", the term that always uses the press is "sergeant". The sergeant arrives to straighten things but when things go wrong the speech changes"Madrid should not use two defensive midfielders " , "With this team we have to play better," " is a disgrace give the ball possession" . Benito Floro ( Sergeant ) , Valdano (easy going/passing football ) Capello ( Sergeant ) , Schuster / Pellegrini ( pass ) , Mourinho(sergeant) , Ancelotti ,now Benitez so...in 2017..Low/Zidane/Klopp/Raúl/etc. By the way I am from the 50% that would sell Cristiano(although the poll was created for a PSG interest in summer 2016,not now). If he get the top scorer record before Christmas he can go in that market. In the same way I know a lot of culés that wanted to sell Messi a year ago, and probably their speech will change as soon as he is 30.
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Care to remind us of any examples exactly of them swooping for Bayern's, Chelsea's or even City's best players and getting them since those clubs have become capable of competing financially and winning trophies? Or with us apart from Ronaldo? This myth is really becoming tiring and our bum hurt fans are rewriting history to hate Madrid for some reason. They are the most attractive club in the world and they usually have first dibs on most players at clubs that can't compete financially or win trophies but they can't take the best and richest teams best players in these modern times.
Ouch! Cant' say it wasn't coming. Some of the posts on this thread have been cringe worthy.I don´t know the sentence in English but in spanish is something like "it's important that they talk about us, even if is bad". Don´t be so worried, soon United will be the best club in the world (Madrid is already looking at the Milky Way
I sympathize with United, I imagine that is hard to see that the best player wants to leave to another team, despite the loyalty of the fans and the very generous offer to renew, actually probably is doubly hard, since is not the first time that this happens .I say "imagine" since I never have lived the fact that a Madrid super star beg to the board to be sold. In any case, if it happens, surely the club would show pride and sell him immediately rather than hold him one year against his will. The Franco information is wrong because FIFA accepted that Di Stefano played a year with each team , besides not only him was nationalized but also Kubala.There are books about Di Stefano case so I don´t think that an article is going to finish the debate, promoted for Manuel Vázquez Montalban and french press from the 80´s. About the government funding I'm still waiting for solid information instead of speculations.
Despicable fans who have no idea of football, fickle (like 90% of the Spanish fans of any team?), a bloody circus. Madrid really must be a tropical paradise, otherwise they would not come here. However I can not say anything negative about United, would be disrespectful after seeing as they paid 75 million for Di Maria
Well, this was just a joke to all the junk that has been written before(in the Benitez thread as well), but I'm glad to see some posters who know what they say and are able to see the limits or joke without bitterness.
Now seriously, if the thread is a general discussion about Madrid I must say I am quite disappointed and pessimistic about the future.
The transfer market used to be like the 3 wise men day for the kids, gifts for everybody
Most of my predictions about the future of the club and sales appear to be wrong, maybe for this the club is so entertaining. Although Benitez is well considered in Spain and protected by the press I thought that Zidane would be the coach. I think that this is cyclical in Madrid, when things go wrong they say " He has lost control of the dressing room," "We are weak" "Players are prima donnas, they need a warning", the term that always uses the press is "sergeant". The sergeant arrives to straighten things but when things go wrong the speech changes"Madrid should not use two defensive midfielders " , "With this team we have to play better," " is a disgrace give the ball possession" . Benito Floro ( Sergeant ) , Valdano (easy going/passing football ) Capello ( Sergeant ) , Schuster / Pellegrini ( pass ) , Mourinho(sergeant) , Ancelotti ,now Benitez so...in 2017..Low/Zidane/Klopp/Raúl/etc. By the way I am from the 50% that would sell Cristiano(although the poll was created for a PSG interest in summer 2016,not now). If he get the top scorer record before Christmas he can go in that market. In the same way I know a lot of culés that wanted to sell Messi a year ago, and probably their speech will change as soon as he is 30.
all that money wasted could jumpstart spain's economy
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That's the first thing that came to mind when Real (and by extension the Spanish government) keep on spending and spending money on something that's quite very much irrelevant for a society's daily living. And meanwhile, the country keeps going down and down to the shitter. Go figure the purpose of the whole circus now.
Don't mind Madrid at all. Least they don't pretend they aren't arrogant wankers unlike Barca.
I like Real Madrid.
oh where've you been?
In English it's "there's no such thing as bad publicity", which derives from Oscar Wilde's "there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is NOT being talked about".I don´t know the sentence in English but in spanish is something like "it's important that they talk about us, even if is bad". Don´t be so worried, soon United will be the best club in the world (Madrid is already looking at the Milky Way
I sympathize with United, I imagine that is hard to see that the best player wants to leave to another team, despite the loyalty of the fans and the very generous offer to renew, actually probably is doubly hard, since is not the first time that this happens .I say "imagine" since I never have lived the fact that a Madrid super star beg to the board to be sold. In any case, if it happens, surely the club would show pride and sell him immediately rather than hold him one year against his will. The Franco information is wrong because FIFA accepted that Di Stefano played a year with each team , besides not only him was nationalized but also Kubala.There are books about Di Stefano case so I don´t think that an article is going to finish the debate, promoted for Manuel Vázquez Montalban and french press from the 80´s. About the government funding I'm still waiting for solid information instead of speculations.
Despicable fans who have no idea of football, fickle (like 90% of the Spanish fans of any team?), a bloody circus. Madrid really must be a tropical paradise, otherwise they would not come here. However I can not say anything negative about United, would be disrespectful after seeing as they paid 75 million for Di Maria
Well, this was just a joke to all the junk that has been written before(in the Benitez thread as well), but I'm glad to see some posters who know what they say and are able to see the limits or joke without bitterness.
Now seriously, if the thread is a general discussion about Madrid I must say I am quite disappointed and pessimistic about the future.
The transfer market used to be like the 3 wise men day for the kids, gifts for everybody
Most of my predictions about the future of the club and sales appear to be wrong, maybe for this the club is so entertaining. Although Benitez is well considered in Spain and protected by the press I thought that Zidane would be the coach. I think that this is cyclical in Madrid, when things go wrong they say " He has lost control of the dressing room," "We are weak" "Players are prima donnas, they need a warning", the term that always uses the press is "sergeant". The sergeant arrives to straighten things but when things go wrong the speech changes"Madrid should not use two defensive midfielders " , "With this team we have to play better," " is a disgrace give the ball possession" . Benito Floro ( Sergeant ) , Valdano (easy going/passing football ) Capello ( Sergeant ) , Schuster / Pellegrini ( pass ) , Mourinho(sergeant) , Ancelotti ,now Benitez so...in 2017..Low/Zidane/Klopp/Raúl/etc. By the way I am from the 50% that would sell Cristiano(although the poll was created for a PSG interest in summer 2016,not now). If he get the top scorer record before Christmas he can go in that market. In the same way I know a lot of culés that wanted to sell Messi a year ago, and probably their speech will change as soon as he is 30.
With regards to superstar players never wishing to leave Real Madrid, didn't Robinho force a move to Manchester City (thinking they were Chelsea) in 2008 having been a Ballon D'Or nominee and offered a new contract the previous season? Also didn't Özil demand to move to Arsenal after being subbed against Real Betis in 2013 following the Bale signing?
With regards to state aid, isn't renovation of the Bernabeu currently suspended due to suspicions of state aid? Aren't Real Madrid required to pay next to no tax to the Spanish government due to some nonsense about it and three other clubs being considered social clubs rather than businesses? Doesn't the Spanish government routinely talk of protecting the "Spanish brand" when it comes to accusations of leniency towards Real Madrid? Isn't all of this currently under investigation from the EU?
I think most of the hatred towards Real Madrid in this thread is admittedly meer bitterness, you routinely take our best players and demonstrate minimal respect alongside underhand negotiation tactics in doing so, and are probably the only club in the world who even have the capability to do this to us. The interference of your president in team matters, the temperamentality of your fans and the egotistical self-deserving nature of nearly everyone involved at your club doesn't help, but I agree with you that you alone receive stick for this from our fans, as opposed to alongside other Spanish and indeed large numbers of other clubs worldwide, because you are the most high-profile example of where these negative traits are prevalent.
Ultimately though I think the re-rising of English clubs through our ever-increasing TV deals and renewed pressures to focus on youth development will mean that Real Madrid is not run sustainably enough to continue competing with us indefinitely season in season out, and I give it 10 years before the tide of Manchester - Madrid player movement switches.
No. Manchester at the moment, both City and United, can offer the same if not better wages than Real. Bar these two seasons, United are a major player both in Europe and in England. City are of course, one of the favourites for the title each season now.
However both the promise of better/same wages and trophies have not been enough to convince players to not go to Madrid. They have too much history and is generally, a more prestigious club in many players' minds.
Unless something ridiculous like relegation befalls Real, they'll always have the same attraction for players.
It is not just the history. It is just that most Latin/Continental players would prefer to live in a fashionable city like Madrid and enjoy the climes there having been brought up in similar places. Not to mention that Madrid generally have a bigger following in South America than English clubs. We cannot change the former, it is just the latter that we can hope to slowly change in our favor by winning more European trophies.
I love Manchester because it's, you know, Manchester. But players who are used to warmer climates are, one or two people aside, going to be put off by living in Manchester compared to somewhere like Madrid because it's, you know, Madrid and this is, you know, Manchester.
Yea like I say, Manchester and the weather is the clubs Achilles heel, if Manchester is a hot city, think allot of Latin players would think twice on moving
Woody should invest in a giant lightbulb to cover the whole of the North West of England. Sort of like Mr Burns' sun blocker but in reverse. Get Mister Potato and Kagome Tomato Juice to sponsor it and boom; Spain 2.0.
We need to do a South Park, fart so much it makes a disturbance in the ozone Layer by farting at every turn, it makes the city hotter
Most of us already do
Well, we certainly talk a lot of hot air, that's for sure
Maybe we should just rename Manchester?
Also we could get everyone from manchester and in the community, to say it's warm confusing any latin player coming to the club. This will drive the player crazy as no one but his family will agree with him. It's snowing? What are you talking about? It's a warm day you cyborg. ---
Back to topic though - Madrid have it cushy and were friends with Sepp who of course came out with the slave comment. Also opened his mouth about the Rio ban but neither here nor there. Madrid in the English premiership, would not be so successful. Back in the day, before they went on their ego trip - it was a different world.
maybe real was once a decent football club, esp for one game they played against barca when zidane & ronaldo was being with them, i still recall those 45 mins of the first half was one of the most joyful matches i've ever watched.
but no matter how the decency has certainly long gone over the last decade. i can't see any decent clubs would sack 10 coaches within 10 years, even some of them won them the top continental trophy. i can't see any decent clubs would drive their best performers out of the club just because of financial reason. no any of barca or bayern or united would do that.
united might have done some stupid business because of the non-footballing background of the current hierarchy, but at least i can see they try to conduct the business in the most professional manner they can, even if this just means they try to protect the brand value they own.
btw, if ppl are not aware, apart from christiano real has been our main recycling club over the last decade when we needed to dump our high profile unwanted players out
but no matter how the decency has certainly long gone over the last decade. i can't see any decent clubs would sack 10 coaches within 10 years, even some of them won them the top continental trophy. i can't see any decent clubs would drive their best performers out of the club just because of financial reason. no any of barca or bayern or united would do that.
united might have done some stupid business because of the non-footballing background of the current hierarchy, but at least i can see they try to conduct the business in the most professional manner they can, even if this just means they try to protect the brand value they own.
btw, if ppl are not aware, apart from christiano real has been our main recycling club over the last decade when we needed to dump our high profile unwanted players out
Still not hot enough lol
There's always a tipping point.