Aggregate doesn't tell the full story, was my point. 3-0 could have been 2-0 and 1-2 could have been 2-0 at HT.
Real Madrid 2017/18
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Aggregate doesn't tell the full story, was my point. 3-0 could have been 2-0 and 1-2 could have been 2-0 at HT.
So we blew away Roma winning 7-6 on aggregate but we didn't blow away City winning 5-1 aggregate?
Also, the Anfield result was flattering for Man City. We dominated all game and were 4-1 up, we then had a meltdown collapse in the final 10 minutes that saw them gain a tiny bit of hope.
So we blew away Roma winning 7-6 on aggregate but we didn't blow away City winning 5-1 aggregate?
Sure. All your goals against Roma at Anfield were legitimate. Whereas you were wrongly awarded one against City while City themselves were denied one. So 5-1 is certainly flattering.
10 minutes or 1 minute does not matter, does It? All 3 of City's goals came from their play. If you had a "collapse" that means you buckled for some reason and nearly lost.
Besides, I accept that you tend to dominate visiting teams generally at Anfield. It is certainly a tough ground to visit. Explains why you could have been 4-1 up as you said. But the CL final is not played at Anfield and your results away from home, even in the CL, are not that "dominating".
Don't get me wrong, I think you can beat Real if they don't bring their A game. But it won't be a rout as so many seem to think. Real are a class apart.
Umtiti would be amazingExactly
Gimenez...i'm not so sure about him. I rather like Umtiti
You know what, we should go for Azpilicueta. Excellent FB, can play on either flank, defensively very good, good going forward, can slot in at CB in an emergency and do a job. Ramos, Varane, Carvajal, Marcelo, Nacho, Azpilicueta, Vallejo, Theo, does sound a lot deeper than what we have, with 3 guys who can play multiple positions but enough space for the kids to have a chance. The question is whether they deserve it. (Well Theo does because of his price alone anyways).
.Azpilicueta is very good but unrealistic, he is too known and probably and fan favorite, besides without a release clause could be very difficultGood post. I agree with much of what you have to say, but City were the form side in Europe when we beat them - and the best possession side in the world could not cope with the intensity we threw at them. That same blitz is what saw us over the line versus Porto and Roma. No team has been able to live with us during that period where we essentially kill the tie - and Madrid aren't the most mobile side around. Nor do I think Zidane will sacrifice his usual tactics to sit back and nullify us i.e Mourinho.
Your record in finals cannot be overlooked, but you've been relatively lacklustre this season in comparison to previous years. That we have consistently been putting goals past teams in Europe gives me hope that we can be successful. Either way, I'm predicting a goal fest.
It's going to be like 2015 and last year's final. Liverpool will battle hard in the 1st half but eventually lose the game in the 2nd half, just like Juve couldn't cope anymore with Barca/Real in the 2nd half.
Easiest final in a long long time for us.
We are going to completely destroy Klopp's team, playing us in a neutral venue with Karius, TAA and Lovren in your defense is asking for destruction.
People here need to understand that this Madrid team is way better when not playing in the Bernabeu. We traveled to Paris, Turin and Munich and played against their domestic unbeaten champions and conceded a grand total of 2 goals in over 270 minutes.
We are going to completely destroy Klopp's team, playing us in a neutral venue with Karius, TAA and Lovren in your defense is asking for destruction.
People here need to understand that this Madrid team is way better when not playing in the Bernabeu. We traveled to Paris, Turin and Munich and played against their domestic unbeaten champions and conceded a grand total of 2 goals in over 270 minutes.
You’re overconfidence is equally reassuring and worrying. I hope to Christ you’re right!
He looks completely shot and is on his last legs.
I was referring to the Bayern game.
I have made this point earlier and it was completely ignored. Real Madrid are somehow much better away from home and Kiev is very far away from Madrid.
These cnuts are probably gonna end Barca's undefeated streak in La Liga. 
Inda was yesterday on fire in el Chiringuito:
-Neymar will play in Madrid next year, and would cost 260m€.
-Madrid´s dream is an attack Neymar, Salah,Cristiano
-In Madrid dressing room they talk about Courtois
-Javi Martínez offered himself to Madrid during the Champions semifinal.
Today an itk of Madrid (https://twitter.com/AgenteBernabeu ), who seems to travel with the team has said that Madrid has broken negotiations with Hazard, and although he admits that Neymar is complicated, he does not rule it out, the same as with Courtois.
Yesterday, when I read what Inda said, I was working. I went outside, and I looked at the stars, there, in the brightest, I could see the shine of the eyes of a Madridista child, dreaming of Neymar, and a super atack with Cristiano.
Surely Florentino was watching too, so it only remains to think the inevitable, an attack with both, ready to lift la decimocuarta.
So I have no choice but to get on the train and begin to lucubrate line-ups with them.
-Neymar will play in Madrid next year, and would cost 260m€.
-Madrid´s dream is an attack Neymar, Salah,Cristiano
-In Madrid dressing room they talk about Courtois
-Javi Martínez offered himself to Madrid during the Champions semifinal.
Today an itk of Madrid (https://twitter.com/AgenteBernabeu ), who seems to travel with the team has said that Madrid has broken negotiations with Hazard, and although he admits that Neymar is complicated, he does not rule it out, the same as with Courtois.
Yesterday, when I read what Inda said, I was working. I went outside, and I looked at the stars, there, in the brightest, I could see the shine of the eyes of a Madridista child, dreaming of Neymar, and a super atack with Cristiano.
Surely Florentino was watching too, so it only remains to think the inevitable, an attack with both, ready to lift la decimocuarta.
So I have no choice but to get on the train and begin to lucubrate line-ups with them.
Wow you sound desperate for new signings like fans of a club going out of the CL to the likes of Sevilla and Wolfsburg.
The weekly ITK on television with cryptic news which are 90% not possible to verificate. Some dude on twitter I don't even understand because I don't speak spanish. But what you write about him sounds just laughable. "He does not rule Neymar or Courtois out"
. I could open a twitter account and say Madrid does not rule out buying Lewandowski or Dybala because it means jack shit and is not even remotely close to a bold or definitive statement.I enjoyed the last part with the stars though. The Caf needs more of that. Maybe a bit less of dreaming about galactico signings, but that is part and parcel of being a Madrid fan I guess. The last successfull galactico transfer is 9 years away. Is it time to move on from the galactico project? I appreciate much more buys like Asensio for 3,5m€ instead of Bale for 100m€ or Dembele for 120m€.
It´s everything a show Saeta Rubia! If you only look at what Cope / Di Marzio says a week before the announcement, everything would be very boring.Wow you sound desperate for new signings like fans of a club going out of the CL to the likes of Sevilla and Wolfsburg.
The weekly ITK on television with cryptic news which are 90% not possible to verificate. Some dude on twitter I don't even understand because I don't speak spanish. But what you write about him sounds just laughable. "He does not rule Neymar or Courtois out"
I enjoyed the last part with the stars though. The Caf needs more of that. Maybe a bit less of dreaming about galactico signings, but that is part and parcel of being a Madrid fan I guess. The last successfull galactico transfer is 9 years away. Is it time to move on from the galactico project? I appreciate much more buys like Asensio for 3,5m€ instead of Bale for 100m€ or Dembele for 120m€.
Inda is a showman. As I said once, he is wrong, or rather he is made intentionally wrong.
His newspaper has recently ended the government of the community of Madrid with a brutal exclusive, so he has good contacts.
This can be understood as an intention to continue negotiating, prepare the ground, destabilize ... whatever you want.
In Spanish we say, there is no greater contempt than lack of appreciation, and seeing the disinterest of Neymar it is very difficult to see him another year, despite all the power and pride of the sheikhs.
Asensio has been a great fortune, but Ceballos and Theo have been warming the bench. In addition to Odegaard, Óscar Rodríguez, Gelabert and the last Brazilian who signed a few days ago. The club is slightly saturated with promises but however we lost la liga in December, so the club has to get serious and sign someone with cache and quality assurance.
Of course I want galacticos, but in the sense of the best players in the world, not in that pejorative sense that is usually intended to give.
Neymar gives me a tremendous distrust but I can not help but wish the profile of "erratic Brazilian star lover of the party".
also because he is the best footballer available. Bernabéu, and the neutrals were going to have a great time and the press and fans would be entertained.
I love a little bit of daily drama, and with him we would have a lot, besides a super combination with Cristiano, a marvel.
On the other hand, it seems that Madrid is having difficulties to obtain sponsors for the new stadium, so from what is said, the club would prefer to opt for a very high profile, a madness of this kind to gain strength in negotiations facing the contracts .
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Umtiti would be amazing
Umtiti? are you kidding me? I wouldn't want him in Madrid even for free, what an overrated player !
I would also like Giménez or Lenglet. In what CB have you thought?
I think building an attack around Ronaldo at this point is a mistake. His legs have gone.. he has to play a CL final, World Cup and he's an old man in football terms. I mean look how much he has struggled the past 2 seasons? it's only near the end of the season he can turn it on but with a World Cup to play and less rest time, I think he is a busted flush next season.
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I for one dont' believe the Sheiks down in Qatar would allow Neymar to leave so soon. PSG is a prestige project for them.They’re on a race to see who gets to be the the first to win the Champions League, the Emirati sheiks from City or them. And the former are much closer to the objective than Paris St. Germain with Guardiola running things.. Losing Neymar would be a terrible loss of face and it would further the narrative that no matter how much money Qatar pumps into PSG, they will be seen by footballers as a step below the European royalty.
On the other hand, even if Perez pulls it off, it opens a can of worms for RM. How will Ronaldo react to having another peacock in the enclosure? How will they cope with Neymar’s dad asking for a pay raise every couple of months. And don’t even get me started on Neymar’s love of partying and the legendary Madrid nightlife. I mean, Neymar and his entourage out in the noche Madrileña… what could possibly go wrong?
I guess the nightlife would be inevitable,as with many others but in the team I can not imagine Neymar whining because Cristiano shoots the penalties or deciding matters of training over Ramos and Modric. In the same way that in Barcelona he knew how to position himself in the dressing room.
Something would have to be done with his father, his sister's parties, and the toiss. Possibly It will end up badly and perhaps without these years of success I would think in a more conservative way.
Neymar will have to hurry up, do something more visible than follow Ramos on Instagram. A constant demonstration of sadness.
I think that's the option with the sheikhs. They have already shown that they can bring whoever they want and they'd have to assess if a player with that attitude is valid for their project
What an image
Where do Madrid really need to strengthen? Benzema replacement? Midfield? Do RM have funds to purchase a big signing this window? Like Kovacic and Modric out, Eriksen in?
They probably need another attacker who can hit 20+ figures in goals and assists apart from Ronaldo. Bale is that player but the fitness concerns are always there.
I'm not sure on Carvajal situation but I've seen Nacho Fernandez and Vazquez both play RB at times in major games. That could be improved upon.
Oh and a GK of course. Maybe Alisson?
Gradually phasing Modric out for Kovacic would be good too. I really rate the latter.
I'm not sure on Carvajal situation but I've seen Nacho Fernandez and Vazquez both play RB at times in major games. That could be improved upon.
Oh and a GK of course. Maybe Alisson?
Gradually phasing Modric out for Kovacic would be good too. I really rate the latter.
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There's been signs for a while that they want a keeper (hopefully not ours!) Benzema needs replacing in the worst way and Casemiro needs a reliable substitute. They also need a CB and a backup to Marcelo because Theo is too raw.
They have money (they've hardly spent in the last 3 years and are have the 2nd biggest turnover in football according to Forbes) but their liquidity might be limited due to the renovation to their stadium. So yes, they need to sell at least one big time player. Bale is the obvious candidate but keep your eye on Isco. Insiders say that him and Zidane don't always see eye to eye and he'd fetch good money due to his age and skills. City would be an obvious destination for him.
Like whom?
This summer we need a major surgery similar to 2009. The team's cycle is OVER!!!
OUT: Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Modric, James
IN: Dybala, Hazard, Eriksen, Skriniar
GK: Navas, Casilla
RB: Carvajal, Nacho
LB: Marcelo, Theo
CB: Ramos, Skriniar, Varane, Vallejo
DM: Casemiro, Llorente
CM: Kroos, Kovacic, Ceballos
AM: Isco, Eriksen
WF: Hazard, Asensio, Vazquez
ST: Dybala, Vinicus Junior
How to make a team worse
Step 1: Sell their best players
Step 2: Replace them with inferior players
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit
- Ronaldo: Went missing for the first third of the season, for the second consecutive season. At 33 there are high chances that he may go missing for the first half of the season. Then we may not even have the Champions League to save our season.
- Bale: Injured all the time. A huge waste of money.
- Benzema: Second consecutive season where he has not scored enough.
- Modric: Anyone who has seen him play will tell you that his legs have gone.
- James: Done well with Bayern. Last chance to sell him for a decent price and not suited to Zidane's system.
Ronaldo missing was doing a lot better than Dybala or Hazard, Modric with his legs gone has done better than Eriksen... James and Bale I understand but why the hell do you want to get rid of your best players? It just doesn’t make any sense.
Don’t sell Ronaldo and buy Hazard. Simply keep Ronaldo and buy Hazard anyway. Do you think Barcelona will sell Messi and Suarez if they buy Griezmann?
Don't take him seriously, no sane person would sell Ronnie and Modric even for 400M, though they're not young, they're still easily the best on the planet at their positions.
Ehm... Benzema scored nearly 20 goals in all comps last season.
You're right though that his goalscoring production hasn't been impressive this season, but he's more of a creator and hardly takes many shots...
enough of this lie already. He doesn't create nor scores. He's a fecking ghost all the time
Top 20 LaLiga players with the biggest participation in creating goals by assists + pre-assists per 90 (from April).
Benzema is actually on 2nd place for that stat, just slightly behind Lionel fecking Messi.
Which only solidify my point that Benzema is indeed more of a creator nowadays.
Could we please get a striker who scores goals when Ronaldo goes missing for the first half of the season again for the third consecutive time?
We need a major revamp.
Cristiano Ronaldo is your striker for Real Madrid and it's been the case since post-2014.
Yeah, you need a quality back-up for him à la Morata although I doubt you can find a player of that caliber who's willing to accept that role.
Don't think Real Madrid will make a major revamp like 2009 in a foreseeable future
i don’t understand those stats, could you explain? Is it goals and assists together per 90 minutes?
Didnt think Modric had that bad of a season? Ronaldo I agree found form later in the campaign and had some poor form early, enough to sell him though? Bale, yes I can agree due to injuries, although his returns were still ok 15 goals and 2 assists in only 1713 mins played. Benzema Yeah, but who would RM look to get in to replace him?
Kovacic has a future at RM, last I heard he was on the out? Interesting about Isco not seeing eye to eye with Zidane, id imagine Manchester City would be all over that if RM make it known they were listening to offers.
They shouldn’t sell Ronaldo, but find a way to not be so reliant on his goals buy buying a forward/replacement for Bale.
Hazard is the replacement for Bale. Ronaldo did not play better than Dybala when he was missing. And how has Modric (1 goal, 26 league games) had a better season than Eriksen (10 goals, 35 league games)? These "best" players are done now ... Next season will be a disaster if there is no surgery.