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Real Madrid 2017/18
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The team wasn't doing too hot before Mourinho came, so maybe he can leave the same type of ruthless and winning mentality that is so needed after the departure of SAF.
Garbage display by Real Madrid. Very lucky to be in the finals. Very sluggish and that raises huge question marks over our fitness levels. Liverpool will destroy Madrid if we play like today. We were slow to transition from midfield to attack, messed about too much at the back when Bayern were pressing us and there was no one to connect midfield to attack.
This team is on its last legs and needs major surgery. Summer 2018 needs to be at least as big as Summer 2009.
OUT: Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, James, Modric
IN: Dybala, Eriksen, Skriniar, Hazard
This team is on its last legs and needs major surgery. Summer 2018 needs to be at least as big as Summer 2009.
OUT: Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, James, Modric
IN: Dybala, Eriksen, Skriniar, Hazard
You do realize that James plays for Bayern, right?
There is no way that Ronaldo and Modric will be sold, age be damned. They're the 2 most consistent big game performers they have.
Hope Carvajal is back for the final. Vasquez at right back was a nightmare.
As much as what I hate Real
They have had to overcome
Dortmund - group
Spurs - group
PSG - Last 16
Juventus - QF's
Bayern - SF's
If beating 3 Top Champions of their respective leagues (as well as being the biggest in Europe), and 2 other teams of who'm are up there with the best in their respective leagues ISN'T deserving of being in the Final
then I don't know what is.
But I agree Liverpool's attack won't be as forgiving as Bayerns lack of clinical finishing against a very very weak Madrid defence.
You don't improve by selling your best players and replacing them with worse players, that's usually a bad plan.
You need to keep Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric, etc. and then add to it. Not outright replace them. It needs to be a smooth transition between this team and the one that's going to follow it, not a revolution.
You don't get to 3 finals in a row and then sell the players who got you there because you're afraid they might be getting a bit old. Madrid need a CB (Koulibaly, Skriniar, Alderweireld), a striker to compete with Benzema (Werner, Firmino, Lewandowski) and then a forward player (Hazard, Eriksen, Dybala). That's it, maybe another midfielder with different characteristics to the ones you have already too.
I would say that after this 2 games Lewandowski has lost many fans. Alderweireld had a disastrous experience at Atlético, and although he seems a different player does not seem a very exciting signing.
After what I saw yesterday, I would like Alaba, which seems to be a old priority for Zidane, but also a really complicated signing.
We would need someone really good for midfield too
https://en.as.com/en/2018/05/01/football/1525210132_733073.html
"Benzema shall always play". Bald LvG.
"Benzema shall always play". Bald LvG.
Seriously, Liverpool will run riot on them in the final.
I'm thinking 3 or 4-1 to the Scum. This Madrid team is nowhere near as good as some think it is. I see them sticking VVD on Ronaldo and just pressing the sht out of them, and ripping their defence to shreds.
We're in for the worst summer and 5yrs of media coverage in our time as United fans.
I'm thinking 3 or 4-1 to the Scum. This Madrid team is nowhere near as good as some think it is. I see them sticking VVD on Ronaldo and just pressing the sht out of them, and ripping their defence to shreds.
We're in for the worst summer and 5yrs of media coverage in our time as United fans.
Major surgery is indeed needed. But most of all, physically and tactically we've been a disaster all season long. We didn't really have those issues last season, at least not in big games. Clearly something broke this season, have understand what happened and then we can go about fixing the problem
I actually fear winning the CL will make things worse next season
I'd still rather win it of course
I actually fear winning the CL will make things worse next season
I'd still rather win it of course
This Madrid team has beaten the champions of France, Italy and Germany and they're somehow going to lose to Liverpool?
What do you mean with physically and tactically?Major surgery is indeed needed. But most of all, physically and tactically we've been a disaster all season long. We didn't really have those issues last season, at least not in big games. Clearly something broke this season, have understand what happened and then we can go about fixing the problem
I actually fear winning the CL will make things worse next season
I'd still rather win it of course
I say this because it reminds me of an Italo-German brand of football. I listen " box to box", energetic players, pace, powerful, holding,fast transitions, and I start to tremble.
Ceballos? And you should put a bid for Thiago if there is any chance to bring him in.
This Madrid team has beaten the champions of France, Italy and Germany and they're somehow going to lose to Liverpool?
Add to the fact Madrid have 3 of the last 4 finals, against a team that hasn't won a trophy under their current manager.
I agree,Thiago would be a really good choice.
About Ceballos we all wonder where is the problem.He definitely deserved more minutes
Klopp's record in finals + Real's record in CL finals = nothing to worry about.
Maybe Zidane thinks he isn't ready yet (quite possibly he isn't), so it is probably best for him to go on loan. Thiago would fit immediately, probably would cost a fortune, but Real need to spend.
I am delighted for Navas, must say. At least you don't need to bring a goalkeeper.
This Madrid team has beaten the champions of France, Italy and Germany and they're somehow going to lose to Liverpool?
I could see them losing, but Liverpool running riot on them is pretty funny. I think Zidane will be much more pragmatic in a one off against Liverpool and look to hit them on the counter where Madrid, for me, have been and still are the best side in the world for years.
Surely he is not ready, but there were insignificant la liga matches in which he was not even on the bench, while the regulars played 90 minutes. The same could be said of Mayoral. He has lost a year and as a fan I am not sure if he is valid for Madrid or not. Meanwhile both do they want in the under21, which is traditionally a very good team.Maybe Zidane thinks he isn't ready yet (quite possibly he isn't), so it is probably best for him to go on loan. Thiago would fit immediately, probably would cost a fortune, but Real need to spend.
I am delighted for Navas, must say. At least you don't need to bring a goalkeeper.
From Ceballos it was said that he was a bit of a jerk, and that he had a mocking / rebellious character but having Ramos in the dressing room I would be surprised if something had happened.
About Keylor, you know it does not depend on us
Everyone likes him, but Florentino is looking for an excuse to put him aside
This is a strange Madrid team. Despite their ridiculous record, I'm not sure they're a truly historic team. 4 CLs in 5 years would be amazing but 1 league in 5 is mediocre.
They're a cup team. On their day, they can beat anyone, but are simply not able to translate that form into a consistent league campaign. They can have a massive burst where they win 8 or 9 in a row and then not win in 5 or 6 games. Strange.
A lot of it stems from Zidane. Some poster here wisely wrote once that with him it seemed that he competed in the Liga out of obligation and the Champions League out of devotion. You could apply that to that entire club.
When Bayern won 3 European Cups in a row, they won 1 league title and it was by 1 single point. When Madrid won 5 European Cups in a row back in the 50s they won just 2 league titles.
These teams are as historically great as any other team, noone really cares they lost a couple of league titles by just a few points and this Madrid team have been losing league titles to 2 great teams in Barcelona and Atleti.
They haven't been as good as plenty of other historical teams but they'll get remembered a lot more if they win the final.
Against two of the best teams of the decade, Atletico and Barcelona? Bayern Munich needed 6 more seasons to win the Bundesliga the first time they won their European Cup and league. Finished 10th in their third season. 4 out of 5 is massive, no matter how you look at it.
I don't think it will happen though, Liverpool are too solid and Madrid too fragile. Tactically speaking there is a world of difference between both of them. Well, it was pretty as long as it lasted.
He’s on loan from Real though...
Has to be seen in the context of the MSN era. Was the strongest Barca team after Pep, not much Real could do about it. Even then they cleaned up the other trophies, winning a bunch and also won the league with Zidane. Pretty memorable in my opinion.
Indeed. But Bayern have a purchase option on him and will excercise it. For all effects, he's not a Real Madrid player.
Ah gotcha, fair enough
What would improve Madrid is replacing Bale/Lucas Vasquez/or Asensio with Salah/Hazard and Benzema with Kane/Vardy. Doubtful any of it would happen.
I think they'll get Hazard this summer, as much I as I'd rather they get Salah
IN: Kane, Hazard, Salah, Eriksen, Pogba and Skriniar would be a much better summer for you guys
Hazard plays in Ronaldo's position though. Not sure how it would work out.
Force him to play somewhere else. Simple.
We are still alive in the CL but we are obviously in need of fresh blood! We need to sell Bale and Benzema and get Hazard and Werner or Lewandowski. I don’t think Salah will leave Liverpool next year. Perez might go all in for Neymar though.
isn't Ronaldo just an out and out striker now. I don't watch much Real, but yesterday he was. He had the fewest touches in 1st half on the pitch, 14 in total. He wasn't working the channels yesterday, seeing that performance, he could certainly play in same team with Hazard.
Are you serious? Best defense in the world?
Yes I am serious about Bayern having the best defense in the world. Dunno what is so funny about it. Kimmich and Alaba are elite level fullbacks and Hummels and Boateng are 2 of the world's best center backs while Sule is a great talent and a reliable rock for Bayern and Germany.
Madrid's defense is probably as good or better individually, but I won't give them the title of "best defense in the world". I don't want to give too much brownie points for Marcelo's attacking exploits when rating the best defense (and Kimmich's attacking contributions are better anyway
).Yeah on paper they have good players but their defense was shambles, and cost them the tie. To say the best defense after that shower of shit defending by both teams is laughable, and far from the truth.Yes I am serious about Bayern having the best defense in the world. Dunno what is so funny about it. Kimmich and Alaba are elite level fullbacks and Hummels and Boateng are 2 of the world's best center backs while Sule is a great talent and a reliable rock for Bayern and Germany.
Madrid's defense is probably as good or better individually, but I won't give them the title of "best defense in the world". I don't want to give too much brownie points for Marcelo's attacking exploits when rating the best defense (and Kimmich's attacking contributions are better anyway
What shambles? There were two individual errors from two players who are not part of the first team. Hummels, Kimmich, Boateng, Sule were fantastic over the two ties, Ronaldo had 1 shot on target over two legs.
Which team has the best defence then?
Coz Ronaldo can’t play anywhere else, I hear youForce him to play somewhere else. Simple.