Real Madrid 2017/18

So Madrid can to Paris and beat the champion of France, go to Turin and beat the Italian champion and go to Munich and beat the perennial champion of Germany, but if they make to the final, they will be destroyed by the third place in the Premiership?

CAF logic.
 
Madrid need to be in the final to stop Liverpool. They’re the most flexible side, have defenders who can play out from the back, a press resistant MF and an excellent front line led by the greatest player in CL history.

They’re ruthless, they’ll prey on Lovren and the timid nature of the Liverpool defence. They’ve beaten PSG/Juve and Bayern away from home.

I have no faith if Bayern make it to the final.
 
Bunch of over rated pretty boys, zero percent chance of them winning the champions league. Ronaldo in particular is bound to go missing should they make the final
 
I can see Liverpool beating Madrid 6-0 for their 6th CL title.

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Should Madrid win the Champions League this year, and I am hoping for that because Liverpool winning the European Cup would be pure poison, they should be spoken about as one of the greatest sides ever.

A third European Cup on the bounce would be their fourth in five years. In any era that would be a fantastic achievement, in the Champions League era its monumental.

Barcelona 2011 played the best football I've ever seen, Madrid just know how to get it done though.
 
RoyH1 said:
So Madrid can to Paris and beat the champion of France, go to Turin and beat the Italian champion and go to Munich and beat the perennial champion of Germany, but if they make to the final, they will be destroyed by the third place in the Premiership?

CAF logic.
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Well all those teams could have said the same about Real and their league position (and many did think based on their league results they wouldn't be able to have another run at the title this year).
 
HerrLeinad said:
Well all those teams could have said the same about Real and their league position (and many did think based on their league results they wouldn't be able to have another run at the title this year).
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You don't get it. It's not about league position. It's about the frantic, overwhelming commitment that Real Madrid place upon winning this competition. They can be in 10th place in the league for all that it matters. When they're playing for the CL its a team transformed into something else. The CL is their raison d'être. And as impressive as Salah and co. have been this season, I simply cannot justify their form as enough to be favorites before the likes of Ronaldo, Modric and co.
 
This Real Madrid side must be one of the best big game teams in history.

Assuming they’re in the final against Liverpool they will have a big mental edge.

City and Roma have been staggeringly naïve tactically against Liverpool and completely played in to their hands.

Surely Zidane won’t make the same mistake, in which case I can see them winning that final.

The overconfidence in Liverpool reminds me of there loss in the EL final to Seville in 2016.
 
If Milner, Hendo and Wijnaldum can outsmart that Modric-Casemiro-Isco midfield of Real's, they have a chance. But come on, just read the first 3 names again and you'll draw your conclusion.
It's not about the defense, it's about having the ball. Liverpool are very good if they have the ball, if they can run at people. Well, good luck on that with the Madrid midfield.
I'm no Scouse hater, they played brilliant football at times, but I just feel that RM are a class above them atm, even if RM are not at their best.
 
Laurentiu amt said:
If Milner, Hendo and Wijnaldum can outsmart that Modric-Casemiro-Isco midfield of Real's, they have a chance. But come on, just read the first 3 names again and you'll draw your conclusion.
It's not about the defense, it's about having the ball. Liverpool are very good if they have the ball, if they can run at people. Well, good luck on that with the Madrid midfield.
I'm no Scouse hater, they played brilliant football at times, but I just feel that RM are a class above them atm, even if RM are not at their best.
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Liverpool only chance against Real is bypassing the midfield, keep those 3 guys to contain as good as they can Real Madrid, and focus on their pace and duels (Mane vs Carva and Salah vs Marcelo) hoping they get in the chances they'll get.

If Real Madrid - Liverpool ends up being the final, I think it should be a scoring slugfest, on a good day Real have nothing to envy Liverpool in that regard, but their defensive scheme is better imo. It could be in the hands of any defender havins a bad day or an attacker playing the game of their life.
 
Ishdalar said:
Liverpool only chance against Real is bypassing the midfield, keep those 3 guys to contain as good as they can Real Madrid, and focus on their pace and duels (Mane vs Carva and Salah vs Marcelo) hoping they get in the chances they'll get.

If Real Madrid - Liverpool ends up being the final, I think it should be a scoring slugfest, on a good day Real have nothing to envy Liverpool in that regard, but their defensive scheme is better imo. It could be in the hands of any defender havins a bad day or an attacker playing the game of their life.
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I feel that Salah vs Marcelo is not that bad, but Mane vs Carva is kind of in Mane's pocket. Carva seems a bit weak defensively.
Thing is, if RM - LIV is the final, it's the first game RM will play against an atrociously aggressive team. It will surely be a test on their defense. But if the midfield is in good form and can keep the ball, it will be quite a boring game.
 
Carvajal is injured and won´t be against Bayern, Isco probably neither
 
RoyH1 said:
You don't get it. It's not about league position. It's about the frantic, overwhelming commitment that Real Madrid place upon winning this competition. They can be in 10th place in the league for all that it matters. When they're playing for the CL its a team transformed into something else. The CL is their raison d'être. And as impressive as Salah and co. have been this season, I simply cannot justify their form as enough to be favorites before the likes of Ronaldo, Modric and co.
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It's exactly this. It's such an underrated quality or more accurately, trait, they have. The only club that comes close in that regard is AC Milan. The likes Bayern, Barcelona and to a less extent us before usually win the CL as a natural consequence of being the absolute best team around. Real and Milan don't need that, they have something extra born out of how their culture treats the CL. It makes them almost unbeatable as long as there isn't a massive quality gap with someone else or something insane happens like Istanbul 2005.
 
PepG said:
Really impressed with Zidane at this point. He is very flexible manager who knows how to win with the quality of the squad at his disposal.
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HIs first season at Madrid, I felt he did nothing much except for keeping things simple. But he has impressed me since then. He dint changes things too much at Madrid, and he knows how to use his players, not afraid to bench the stars and give proper chance before making decision.

Regarding CL finals, I do not see Liverpool not scoring against either of Bayern or Madrid. I even think Liverpool as a team are stronger. They can beat Madrid exactly like how Spurs did it.
 
Theonas said:
It's exactly this. It's such an underrated quality or more accurately, trait, they have. The only club that comes close in that regard is AC Milan. The likes Bayern, Barcelona and to a less extent us before usually win the CL as a natural consequence of being the absolute best team around. Real and Milan don't need that, they have something extra born out of how their culture treats the CL. It makes them almost unbeatable as long as there isn't a massive quality gap with someone else or something insane happens like Istanbul 2005.
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I think Liverpool will break the charm.
 
Hard to look past these lot winning this again. Similar to the Milan golden era just over a decade ago where they win the Champions League so often despite their domestic success being pretty modest.
 
It would be a ridiculously incredible achievement for them to win it 3 times in a row, particularly when no one before them had ever won it even twice in a row. And let’s all hope they do it.
 
If Madrid win the third consecutive Champions, will be already better than the Barça of Pep? or we have to win 5 consecutive?
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Oh shit, I hope this means Nacho plays and not Theo. :nervous:
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Nacho will be fine, he is not amazing but always a 7/10 performance
 
carvajal said:
If Madrid win the third consecutive Champions, will be already better than the Barça of Pep? or we have to win 5 consecutive?

Nacho will be fine, he is not amazing but always a 7/10 performance
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It'll be very close. You've only won the league once under Zidane. Plus no treble.
 
adexkola said:
It'll be very close. You've only won the league once under Zidane. Plus no treble.
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That is a discussion I have had many times with a friend fan of Barça. He usually tells me that the treble is something historic, giving even more relevance than winning two consecutive champions, which is completely illogical in my opinion.
You're right about la liga, we should fix that in the next years, but winning three in a row is something that has not happened since 1976
 
carvajal said:
That is a discussion I have had many times with a friend fan of Barça. He usually tells me that the treble is something historic, giving even more relevance than winning two consecutive champions, which is completely illogical in my opinion.
You're right about la liga, we should fix that in the next years, but winning three in a row is something that has not happened since 1976
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But I think if you make a poll, the vast majority of neutrals will always say that the Barcelona team at the turn of the century was a better team.
Winning multiple Champions League's is incredible. It means that Madrid peaks at the right time these seasons and were Clutch, as well as got the luck needed to win a cup competition like this.

But, that's just it. It is a cup competition. It's the most prestigious cup competition but it's still a cup competition. Over the course of a season, Madrid have struggled domestically relative to their Catalan rivals - Barcelona.

In that sense, people do and will continue to hold that against this Madrid team. It's an all-time great team but you're comparing it with what might very well have been the greatest club side of all time. I don't think many fans besides fans of Madrid (or fans of their individual players) would even entertain this thought.
 
carvajal said:
That is a discussion I have had many times with a friend fan of Barça. He usually tells me that the treble is something historic, giving even more relevance than winning two consecutive champions, which is completely illogical in my opinion.
You're right about la liga, we should fix that in the next years, but winning three in a row is something that has not happened since 1976
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Winning twice in a row is already a bigger feature and winning 3 consecutive UCL won't happen ever again... until it comes Real Madrid and it wins 4 in a row.
 
carvajal said:
That is a discussion I have had many times with a friend fan of Barça. He usually tells me that the treble is something historic, giving even more relevance than winning two consecutive champions, which is completely illogical in my opinion.
You're right about la liga, we should fix that in the next years, but winning three in a row is something that has not happened since 1976
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True, but the rarity of an accomplishment shouldn't be the sole definition of it's quality. It's a factor IMO. I would rank this Madrid side above Enrique's treble winning side, but it would need more consistency and dominance across the board, not only in the CL, for me to definitely place it above 2008-12 Barcelona. If they win the CL it's close though.
 
DonFerguson said:
But I think if you make a poll, the vast majority of neutrals will always say that the Barcelona team at the turn of the century was a better team.
Winning multiple Champions League's is incredible. It means that Madrid peaks at the right time these seasons and were Clutch, as well as got the luck needed to win a cup competition like this.

But, that's just it. It is a cup competition. It's the most prestigious cup competition but it's still a cup competition. Over the course of a season, Madrid have struggled domestically relative to their Catalan rivals - Barcelona.

In that sense, people do and will continue to hold that against this Madrid team. It's an all-time great team but you're comparing it with what might very well have been the greatest club side of all time. I don't think many fans besides fans of Madrid (or fans of their individual players) would even entertain this thought.
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adexkola said:
True, but the rarity of an accomplishment shouldn't be the sole definition of it's quality. It's a factor IMO. I would rank this Madrid side above Enrique's treble winning side, but it would need more consistency and dominance across the board, not only in the CL, for me to definitely place it above 2008-12 Barcelona. If they win the CL it's close though.
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Well, for me it is complicated to see it, since I am too biased but in 20 years the children will do like me in the past, they will look at the trophy lists and they will see that a team won three in a row(IF we win). Even Bayern lost twice? the bundesliga during their three consecutive European Cups, or Madrid three times in the 50´s.
If United in three years had won three consecutive champions and a Premier would not you place them above?

Even the fact of having won in Paris, Turin and Munich seems a bit undervalued. Suddenly PSG was inexperienced , Juventus in decline and Bayern punished by bad luck
Acheron said:
Winning twice in a row is already a bigger feature and winning 3 consecutive UCL won't happen ever again... until it comes Real Madrid and it wins 4 in a row.
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That's so typical of us, we still do not have the third one and we already think about a future with the fourth :D
 
carvajal said:
Well, for me it is complicated to see it, since I am too biased but in 20 years the children will do like me in the past, they will look at the trophy lists and they will see that a team won three in a row(IF we win). Even Bayern lost twice? the bundesliga during their three consecutive European Cups, or Madrid three times in the 50´s.
If United in three years had won three consecutive champions and a Premier would not you place them above?

Even the fact of having won in Paris, Turin and Munich seems a bit undervalued. Suddenly PSG was inexperienced , Juventus in decline and Bayern punished by bad luck


That's so typical of us, we still do not have the third one and we already think about a future with the fourth :D
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It's an amazing accomplishment! I'm not belittling it by any means. This question only comes up in comparison to other great sides of the near/far past. If this Real wins 3 in a row, who would you rank better? This side or Ajax of the 70s?
 
adexkola said:
It's an amazing accomplishment! I'm not belittling it by any means. This question only comes up in comparison to other great sides of the near/far past. If this Real wins 3 in a row, who would you rank better? This side or Ajax of the 70s?
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yes, I know for your post that you don't belittle it. My answer was a bit of a general feeling seeing the opinions, it seems that there is always some defect or something questionable.
About Ajax-Madrid,I don't know what to say,
It is very difficult to compare teams from different ages
 
Barca winning the league in 2009 and 2010 (unlike 2011 or 2015) wasn't really impressive since it was against a Real Madrid that couldn't get past last 16 of CL for years, it was a bit similar to Bundesliga (though not to that extent), it wasn't until 2011 that RM became relevant in Europe again...

You can always win the league (or Copa) if your direct rival is weak (Barca in 2009, 2010), but you can't do the same in Europe since there are too many top teams, that's why a CL win is very rare, let alone repeating it or a 3-peat.
 
MVBDX said:
Barca winning the league in 2009 and 2010 (unlike 2011 or 2015) wasn't really impressive since it was against a Real Madrid that couldn't get past last 16 of CL for years, it was a bit similar to Bundesliga (though not to that extent), it wasn't until 2011 that RM became relevant in Europe again...

You can always win the league (or Copa) if your direct rival is weak (Barca in 2009, 2010), but you can't do the same in Europe since there are too many top teams, that's why a CL win is very rare, let alone repeating it or a 3-peat.
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Then what does that say about Real's inability to win the league this year or 2 years ago?
 
adexkola said:
Then what does that say about Real's inability to win the league this year or 2 years ago?
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We won it last year, and we were just 1 point behind Barca two years ago, though Benitez tried his hardest to feck everything up, if you count the points since Zidane was at the helm we'd have been the champions by like 10 points.
 
Jammiest team of the world. Very good team+luck+referees=domination. They were completely battered yesterday.
 
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