Rayan Cherki

V.O. said:
So people want to get rid of Rashford and replace him with a lad who blows hot and cold, looks great when he's playing for a new contract, has attitude issues and an entourage... ?
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Powderfinger said:
He is defensively lazy, rarely capable of playing 90 minutes, won’t follow a tactical plan, has off field issues, and for all his wizardry not much end product mainly because he can’t be bothered to get into the box.

Other than that he’d be a great transfer.
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He's 21 and it's a cheap punt. I'd back Amorim to iron out the attitude issues. If he flops, oh well. As long as you aren't stuck with a big contract it doesn't matter.
 
Teja said:
He's 21 and it's a cheap punt. I'd back Amorim to iron out the attitude issues. If he flops, oh well. As long as you aren't stuck with a big contract it doesn't matter.
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The concern isn't just that he flops though, and you get rid. The concern is that at the critical point, Amorim is trying to rip out an old culture of players that don't buy into his system, that perhaps don't give their maximum effort every day in training, in every game etc. Utd need that currently more than individual talent at this point. I'd actually suggest Utd are the last team that should take a punt on massive talent but maybe questionable attitude right now. Maybe in a season or 2 when the dressing room is more established.

This is coming for someone who reckons Cherki's performance was the best I've seen at Ibrox this season by an opposition player, in fact maybe for a few years.
 
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GoonerBear said:
The concern isn't just that he flops though, and you get rid. The concern is that at the critical point, Amorim is trying to rip out an old culture of players that don't buy into his system, that perhaps don't give their maximum effort every day in training, in every game etc. Utd need that currently more than individual talent at this point. I'd actually suggest Utd are the last team that should take a punt on massive talent but maybe questionable attitude right now. Maybe in a season or 2 when the dressing room is more established.

This is coming for someone who reckons Cherki's performance was the best I've seen at Ibrox this season by an opposition player, in fact maybe for a few years.
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This is the crux. When we seem to be trying to change the mindset and culture amongst players this is hardly a zero risk transfer, regardless of the fee. The potential ramifications are wider than just 'we spent 25 million on a bad egg'
 
GoonerBear said:
The concern isn't just that he flops though, and you get rid. The concern is that at the critical point, Amorim is trying to rip out an old culture of players that don't buy into his system, that perhaps don't give their maximum effort every day in training, in every game etc. Utd need that currently more than individual talent at this point. I'd actually suggest Utd are the last team that should take a punt on massive talent but maybe questionable attitude right now. Maybe in a season or 2 when the dressing room is more established.

This is coming for someone who reckons Cherki's performance was the best I've seen at Ibrox this season by an opposition player, in fact maybe for a few years.
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Yeah Ruben is clearly trying to do a dressing room reset like Arteta did with Aubameyamg and Ozil
 
Powderfinger said:
He is defensively lazy, rarely capable of playing 90 minutes, won’t follow a tactical plan, has off field issues, and for all his wizardry not much end product mainly because he can’t be bothered to get into the box.

Other than that he’d be a great transfer
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We should steer well clear.
 
You guys have been doing this "X manager is trying to do a mindset and culture reset" thing for like a decade - after multiple squad iterations and players being exiled, banished and shipped out. Under Ten Hag, the players can't even be accused of not fighting - and the same applies to Amorim.

Dealing with characters etc is part of the manager's job, and at the top end of football, in such a competitive environment - a manager will have to deal with difficult personalities. If they're incapable of doing so, then they're qualified. Can't skip on every potential mercurial talent because "dressing room reset" every time. At United, managers are afforded support by both club and fans each whenever a player gets out of line, anyway.

Club should of course do the due diligence and have the appropriate conversations with the player, but at the reported price tag Cherki is a good shout
 
I’m sold. He will actually make us fun to watch. For the price quoted, this is a no brainer. He is just 21 as well so would be easy to move him on if things don’t work out. Low risk high reward move.
 
Fortitude said:
He's been one of the most talented with a ball since 16; after watching him play a few times, you won't need to watch a highlight reel of his to know what to expect. By talent and technical ability, he should be one of the world's best players. We know a lot more goes into it than that, however. It's very telling that no big clubs are pulling the trigger and taking the punt.
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He's the same age as Toby Collyer and people are acting like he's some busted flush. Some smart club is eventually going to buy him for this bargain price, he'll become an amazing player and win trophies and the CAF will add him to the list of players that were so obviously going to be stars but the leadership at United were too incompetent to recognise.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
He's the same age as Toby Collyer and people are acting like he's some busted flush. Some smart club is eventually going to buy him for this bargain price, he'll become an amazing player and win trophies and the CAF will add him to the list of players that were so obviously going to be stars but the leadership at United were too incompetent to recognise.
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It’s got nothing to do with being a busted flush though does it? I don’t think a single person, manager or club doesn’t see he is immensely talented, but there is something about him that is preventing clubs going in for him, even at a bargain basement price. That’s extremely odd, on a continental scale for a talent that has been world renowned for years now.

The club that lands him and sees a phoenix like ascension is going to look like shrewd operators; the club that lands him and it goes belly up will be shrugged at with ‘told you so’ energy.

The situation is pretty much fairly outlined by others already: take the punt, in full awareness it could go disastrously wrong, or steer clear. Clubs are opting for the latter to this point in time.

It’s a unique situation and I wonder how differing fanbases in differing situations feel about the potential purchase of this player, or indeed whether we, as a collective, would be as open to him if we had our house in order.
 
The questions about his attitude are way over the top.

I have friends who worked for Lyon or some sponsors and dealt with Cherki and everyone says he’s a nice guy, and no he doesn’t have an entourage, rather his family can be tricky to deal with during negotiations because the family wants star treatment.

Cherki didn’t have a single bad review during the olympics and by all accounts he’s very liked in Lyon’s dressing room and loves to banter with team mates. He’s nothing like Taarabt or Ben Arfa

He had issues with his workrate during games a couple seasons ago but I think Cherki really matured thanks to Pierre Sage.

For 20m it’s worth a punt
 
He's an amazing player but people wanting him have not understood Amorim's football.
 
Dortmund are the perfect candidate and the greatest chancers on the planet. If it works out, that €23m will turn into €40m profit.
 
I think I prefer Dibbling so I'm not too fussed.

This guy will probably turn out good but it's nothing I will regret in the future if players like Amad and Dibbling reach their potential as a RAM.

Sometimes certain fans overly love ball technicality when I see it as just one ability out of many a footballer needs
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I mean he’s a different type of player to Sancho entirely. So no, apart from the “oh he might be lazy” mantra I don’t see him becoming another Sancho.

And for the record, 20m on a punt for a super highly talented player is a far different proposition than 75m and a 250k a week contract for that same type talent. The former allows for far more potential “downsides” to be brushed aside because the investment is a fraction of the latter.
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Yeah, I already acknowledged he would be cheaper and therefore easier to get rid of if needed.

Really you have to question though whether this is the right type of player to go after. Utd have been burnt more than once by players with perceived attitude and work ethic issues of late.

When the manager is literally out there at every press conference stressing hard work and application and preventing players being in the squad very publicly if they don't meet his standards, would this type of signing fit his demands and send the right message?
 
Rainy nights in Stoke said:
Care to expand on that point of view?
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He can't play full 90s in Ligue 1. His workload needs to be managed. Always looks a bit overweight. He's been rated as an absolute top tier talent for five years or so but he's still playing for Lyon and now he only gets linked to better teams because they have so sell.

I'd love to take a chance on him though, but like others posted before, I'm not sure if this club is the right environment for him to flourish, right now.
 
Games like this Palace game are why we need a can opener like Cherki. We're just so sterile when Amad is well marshalled.
 
gulli_G said:
Which is?
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Not at all a modern football player. A number 10 in the classic sense. Doesn’t do team work, has no work rate without the ball. You can see with our very own Rashford what happens if you lack work rate.
 
WouterWeghorst said:
Not at all a modern football player. A number 10 in the classic sense. Doesn’t do team work, has no work rate without the ball. You can see with our very own Rashford what happens if you lack work rate.
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Or maybe we need players to counteract Pep's type of football which is beginning in itself to look a bit outdated judging by current performances and the rise of more direct teams like Forest and Bournemouth. Maybe the guy who can get the ball into the box or find the gap in a low block might bring us ahead of the curve instead of finally becoming a high pressing tiki taka team at the point that this tactic has become neutered.
 
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