So is Cantona but for different reasons.
RAWK Goes Into Meltdown 2015-16 Edition
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So is Cantona but for different reasons.
Would someone enlighten me as to why Mourinho is called a "tramp"?
because he's repeatedly trampled on liverpool's hopes and dreams
Cantona is neither a numpty nor shitting it. He loves this club. Big difference.
City, Liverpool and ABUs hate us.
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I'm still bemused that they refer to Mourinho as shitcoat when Wenger has been wearing that knee length puffer effort for years 
Heh, last thing on earth Klopp is, is "normal", he's about as odd as you can get.
I neved said he was a numpty.
I love Eric by the way. Great player ( Dalglishesque ) Arrogant , Cocky a genius , dislikes authority and all this before he supported the HJC and sang on stage at a gig in France.
I salute you Eric.
But. He thinks Jose is not a good move. Only time will tell.
I imagine Johno loves the worship status he receives on RAWK as "United fan that speaks the truth." Likely a sadist who's life is so in tatters/incomplete that he/she craves the internet adulation.
If you read RAWK without knowing the context of what's going on in football, you'd think we were the ones who finished behind them and fecked up a cup final.
Twice.
Johnno when invited to support Liverpool by RAWK.
That's a ferkin' big ask mate - 64 years a Manc Red come hail or shine. I vowed to keep my allegiance to the memory of the fella that out of necessity - club skint and no ferkin' ground to play on after the war - had the vision and the patience to see, find and launch his Babes and I will. I vowed also I will not give any support should they appoint shitcoat and I won't. That leaves me in a bit of a dilemma - still to be addressed and resolved.
As genuinely gracious and well-intentioned as your tongue-in-cheek invitation certainly is mate, and as much as I respect Liverpool FC, their own visionary managers and their fans for all their achievements this past 40-odd years (and in a lot of the years before I was born too let's not forget that) the plain truth is I am not a born Scouser and could never aspire to being a plassy Scouse. I'm a Manchester-born Busby Babes United fan of 70 so it would be just out of order.
I'll simply have to wrestle with my dilemma for a few more years ta very much la!!
I feel that Johnno went a bit overboard with that one, a sure giveaway. No one that has lived through all our rivalries with that shower of shit can be so full of praise for them, their fans and their "visionary managers".
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Whether it's a real person or a scouser playing out a fantasy it's incredibly weird on one level or another. A bit sad in fact.
Serious question, and not a dig: Have Liverpool really had any truly visionary managers beyond Shankly (who had the vision and ability to make Liverpool a major club)?
64 years a Manc, but 70 years old?
Paisly right after Shankley was pretty exceptional wasn't he, but did he just continue Shankly's work more than implement his own vision? Apparently he was quite the innovative physio back in the day.
Yes, although the quality of the visions weren't always the best.
To be fair, we've only had 2 truly visionary/world class managers in our history (so far).
Brendan was a visionary. He had this tactic called 10-1. It's where you have 10 average players and one superstar who does it all himself.
I'd say no because those who followed Shankly were probably tasked with maintaining the fantastic work he had done, not being truly visionary as such. The foundations (can we use that word on the caf again?) had been laid, just build on them.
Has he commented on things like Neville's celebration, or the Evra/Suarez business? I'd be interested to see what he said about those. Probably "I think Neville was bang out of order" and "in all fairness, Evra did start it by being black."
That's an interesting one. I'm a bit younger than Johnno but a lot of the United fans from his generation that I have spoken to have told me on numerous occasions that they cannot understand my animosity towards Liverpool. I was already going to OT (fairly infrequently but going nonetheless) by the time we won the League in 1967 but to an 8 year old it's really hard to be appreciative of winning the title. Of course I then spent the next 26 years waiting for the next one while Liverpool won everything. I loathed them. With a passion. Not the fans (who I actually think at times are very knowledgeable and also very amusing if you find the right ones) but the whole concept of Liverpool FC and the surrounding ethos. It's sad to say but since we were so insignificant at times in the 70s and 80s I sometimes got more joy out of seeing Liverpool lose than United winning - that's how petty I had become. Johnno's generation though got to experience the Jack Rowley, and Tommy Taylor teams as well as the rest of the Babes and then the Best, Law and Charlton years in the 60s. They had already experienced significant success by the time Liverpool began to dominate football. I think that is why the rivalry for somebody of Johnno's age is not as bitter. For somebody like me and those a little younger, we had to put up with Liverpool winning year after year while we had almost nothing - it was soul destroying. I think I can honestly say that the only time in my entire life that I've ever even marginally pulled for a Liverpool team in any game was the 2005 CL semi final against Chelsea. I didn't want either one of them to win. The choice was similar to putting out an eye or chopping off a ball. There's no good one. In the end I went for Liverpool 'cause I thought they were less likely to win the final and we know how that turned out. Even now, I'm still petty towards them, but I have mellowed. Having said all that and even with all our wins and trophies over the last 25 years, Steven Gerrard's slip just warmed the cockles of my heart. Hell - maybe I haven't mellowed after all.
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It was Paisley for the next 9(?) years, and IIRC he was there for all of Shanklys time, and a vital part of the development too.
Cool story bro!
One of the main reasons I so often take the mick out of Liverpool is that I just can't understand why LFC fans buy into the Romanticism associated with the club. Sure, there are the supporters' stories passed down the years; the wit of Shankly; the drive, skill and nous of Keegan, Barnes and Dalglish, and some famous comebacks; but after those, I'm struggling to see much that can be compared to United's story and United's flair players. I've experienced more excitement as a football fan even watching United during our unsuccessful years than I did watching an all-conquering Liverpool. Besides, just about every club can claim to be a "people's club" too.
A good man, ploughing a lonely furrow in a cruel benighted wilderness of his own dismal construction, 26 long years since he had last felt at peace with the world...
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Depends on which people you ask.
Sure. Paisley was outstanding as Shankly' successor and proved a club doesn't need to spend years in the wilderness after a successful manager, long standing manager has departed. Did he really need to be a ''visionary'' as @SteveJ puts it? I think it was more a case of building on the work and foundations Shankly laid which he did a damn fine job of.
Their Barnes-Beardsley team played some depressingly fantasic football, but it was mainly all about the efficient LFC machine when they dominated late 70s. early 80s as I remember.
JohnnoWhite : "I could never aspire to be a plassy scouse"
WTF!?
Definitely a WUM.
WTF!?
Definitely a WUM.
F*ckin' 'ell, it's David Moyes...
He doesn't have to be, but then you can also say that there's no reason he wasn't just because he followed Shankly.
From a quick read about, as a physio he was peerless for his time, one of the first to use post training cool downs, and when Shankly's assistant(when Shankley joined he promoted Paisley who was already at the club), his main tactician, saying that Shankly himself was more a motivator of men.
I can't say how much of it's true, but it seems there was a lot more to him than a good follow up.
Perhaps the fact that he was a rather quiet bloke doesn't help us to judge Paisley's talent? If he'd been a more vocal type like Shankly, or an outspoken show-off like José, we might view him as more than just another boot-room successor.
This is becoming something like a game of Werewolf.
Houllier definitely had visions. Of wall-goblins, probably
Well, besides the undeniable truth that everyone in football apart from Mourinho is a saint and that this sport is the moral centre of the universe, there's a very simple solution to dilemmas such as his.
http://www.fc-utd.co.uk
http://www.fc-utd.co.uk
The one I get most confused about is their claim of being the most "knowledgeable". There's literally no way to properly quantify which set of football fans are the most knowledgeable about football, but one thing you can say with relative certainty is that most football fans have a very basic understanding of top-level, professional football. Every fanbase will have the knee-jerkers, the contrary bell-ends, the pessimists, the eternal optimists, the wannabe tacticians, the transfer experts, the hardcore and the casual, and 99% of them will have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes, yet Liverpool fans love to harp on about their apparent superior knowledge of the game. The weirdest part of it for me is that ex-players and certain pundits seem to buy into it as well.
My favourite post from the Zlatan thread they have: "Matip will break him"
Apparently, applauding the opposition's goalkeeper is enough to prove one's credentials.