RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition

Getsme said:
They were only available on a free because they ran down their contracts, both Clubs wanted to retain their services. They are good players, no idea why some think otherwise.
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Correct, they are good players, average, nothing more. Lets be honest though, if milner was spanish would city have tried to retain him? Their English quota needs filling desperately and he was one of few Englishman around that could get games in their team in a rotation role. He wasn't starting nearly so many games until it came apparent he may not renew his contract due to lack of playing time. Likewise Ings is a good striker, for Burnley. Liverpool should be aspiring much, much higher if they want to finish above mid table. I will guarantee you he won't score 20 goals next season, which is the kind of striker they need.
 
iHicksy said:
Correct, they are good players, average, nothing more. Lets be honest though, if milner was spanish would city have tried to retain him? Their English quota needs filling desperately and he was one of few Englishman around that could get games in their team in a rotation role. He wasn't starting nearly so many games until it came apparent he may not renew his contract due to lack of playing time. Likewise Ings is a good striker, for Burnley. Liverpool should be aspiring much, much higher if they want to finish above mid table. I will guarantee you he won't score 20 goals next season, which is the kind of striker they need.
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They'll be fine....they've still got Ballotelli :D
 
iHicksy said:
Correct, they are good players, average, nothing more. Lets be honest though, if milner was spanish would city have tried to retain him? Their English quota needs filling desperately and he was one of few Englishman around that could get games in their team in a rotation role. He wasn't starting nearly so many games until it came apparent he may not renew his contract due to lack of playing time. Likewise Ings is a good striker, for Burnley. Liverpool should be aspiring much, much higher if they want to finish above mid table. I will guarantee you he won't score 20 goals next season, which is the kind of striker they need.
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Rubbish, Milner is nowhere near an average player, he’s seriously underrated on here. Would I have him at United, Yes, a squad needs his type of player, he’s versatile, experienced, can play with both feet, can get you a goal and is the perfect example of a team player. We have many very good players who many would consider not to be United quality, but they fit the way we play perfectly, that’s how Milner will be views inside Anfield.

As for Ings, he is worth the gamble, he is still very young (just turned 22) he has bags of potential, he will improve Liverpool. As for scoring 20 goals, our top goal scorer had something like 14 and he cost £30million 10 odd years ago.
 
Milner is a decent signing, we've won plenty of trophies with workmen like him in the team. Ings is OK too. The problem they have is that neither is going to push them forward. That is, if the idea is to compete for top four and champions league, neither of these will do that. If the idea is to cement the 5th/6th and Europa league, these are perfect signings.

The fanbase want CL of course, I think the owners are happy with EL though, and likely why they were both signed. That is probably sensible from the business side of things, the investment needed to catch up with the top four is astronomical, but it will probably end in tears where the scouse supporters are concerned.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Milner is a decent signing, we've won plenty of trophies with workmen like him in the team. Ings is OK too. The problem they have is that neither is going to push them forward. That is, if the idea is to compete for top four and champions league, neither of these will do that. If the idea is to cement the 5th/6th and Europa league, these are perfect signings.

The fanbase want CL of course, I think the owners are happy with EL though, and likely why they were both signed. That is probably sensible from the business side of things, the investment needed to catch up with the top four is astronomical, but it will probably end in tears where the scouse supporters are concerned.
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I agree, think both signings are decent. The problem is that in midfield and up front especially they've gone backwards so although these two will help out they'd be rotation options for better teams. Milner will fine out on the right or in a midfield three, he's only 29 and has still got the legs to play box to box. Ings would be an ideal 3rd choice striker but because Balotelli is so awful and Sturridge is broken at the moment he's the best they've got for now. I can't see them finishing above 5th next year. In fact if Spurs buy some support for Kane and defensive cover I think they'll finish above them again with Pochettino in his second year. It can all change obviously depending on who gets brought in.
 
I thought he was potentailly the best keeper in the world a few years back. He has since been though some nervous spells, but looks ready to fulfil that promise and at the very least be a good enough back up option. I'm happy enough with this, could even put some pressure on mignolet for 1st choice.
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On Bogdan.
 
Bayern and Madrid must be fecking annoyed to have missed out on Bogdan to replace their keepers Neuer and De Gea (sorry lads).
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Milner is a decent signing, we've won plenty of trophies with workmen like him in the team. Ings is OK too. The problem they have is that neither is going to push them forward. That is, if the idea is to compete for top four and champions league, neither of these will do that. If the idea is to cement the 5th/6th and Europa league, these are perfect signings.

The fanbase want CL of course, I think the owners are happy with EL though, and likely why they were both signed. That is probably sensible from the business side of things, the investment needed to catch up with the top four is astronomical, but it will probably end in tears where the scouse supporters are concerned.
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This Wolves or Liverpool?
 
Getsme said:
Rubbish, Milner is nowhere near an average player, he’s seriously underrated on here. Would I have him at United, Yes, a squad needs his type of player, he’s versatile, experienced, can play with both feet, can get you a goal and is the perfect example of a team player. We have many very good players who many would consider not to be United quality, but they fit the way we play perfectly, that’s how Milner will be views inside Anfield.

As for Ings, he is worth the gamble, he is still very young (just turned 22) he has bags of potential, he will improve Liverpool. As for scoring 20 goals, our top goal scorer had something like 14 and he cost £30million 10 odd years ago.
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Not sure about Ings but I agree on Milner. I don`t know why he is so underrated - I think he showed what he is worth more than once for City.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Milner is a decent signing, we've won plenty of trophies with workmen like him in the team. Ings is OK too. The problem they have is that neither is going to push them forward. That is, if the idea is to compete for top four and champions league, neither of these will do that. If the idea is to cement the 5th/6th and Europa league, these are perfect signings.

The fanbase want CL of course, I think the owners are happy with EL though, and likely why they were both signed. That is probably sensible from the business side of things, the investment needed to catch up with the top four is astronomical, but it will probably end in tears where the scouse supporters are concerned.
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Workmen like Milner are ok when you've got Rooney, Ronaldo, Suarez, Scholes etc to make up the rest of the team. Liverpool currently have an injured Sturridge
 
Getsme said:
They were only available on a free because they ran down their contracts, both Clubs wanted to retain their services. They are good players, no idea why some think otherwise.
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Well how about because no other teams were interested in them. Or do you think Liverpool would've been their first choice if a top club had've shown interest?
 
Gopher Brown said:
Liverpool want to challenge for the league.

Their three first signings of the summer are going to be Ings, Milner and Adam Bogdan. It's gonna be a long summer for some on RAWK.
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I didnt think they could improve on last May and Crystanbul, but it just keeps getting better, literally month by month.

Suarez leaving
Balotelli
The return to normal form
Sterling wanting out
Gerrard's red card
And now their transfer window!
 
Sad Chris said:
Well how about because no other teams were interested in them. Or do you think Liverpool would've been their first choice if a top club had've shown interest?
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City wanted to keep him and there were rumour Arsenal wanted him.
 
Getsme said:
City wanted to keep him and there were rumour Arsenal wanted him.
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Keeping and buying are very different things. We keep players we wouldn't buy again, because they're decent squad players.
And regarding rumours...meh...every club in the top half of the table was supposedly after him at some point.
 
Getsme said:
City wanted to keep him and there were rumour Arsenal wanted him.
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Did we really?

Buy Milner and play him where exactly? On the wings ahead of Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Walcott?

In midfield where we have Cazorla, Coquelin, Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil etc?

I get a feeling that agents usually throw our name/Man Utd/some other club in the hat for a certain player so that when he signs for his new club, that club can then say "Look he rejected Arsenal/Man Utd to come here", or a simple negotiating tactic. Throw our name in the hat so that Liverpool get worried and try to speed up the deal.

Milner is a good player but he isn't better than what we've got in a position where we are stacked and we were never going to make him one of our three highest earners alongside Ozil and Sanchez at 150k a week.
 
iHicksy said:
RAWK logic. They lose their best two players (Gerrard and Sterling) on the back of losing Suarez and try to convince themselves that average english players available on free transfers is great business. Without Sterling and penalty Steve I can see them finishing around 8-10th.
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I agree. Its not as if we tried ever tried to replace the likes of Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo with the likes of Jones, Smalling, Young, Cleverley and Valencia and still pretended to be a top club didn't we?

Seriously, most of the fans are deluded.
 
JSArsenal said:
Did we really?

Buy Milner and play him where exactly? On the wings ahead of Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Walcott?

In midfield where we have Cazorla, Coquelin, Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil etc?

I get a feeling that agents usually throw our name/Man Utd/some other club in the hat for a certain player so that when he signs for his new club, that club can then say "Look he rejected Arsenal/Man Utd to come here", or a simple negotiating tactic. Throw our name in the hat so that Liverpool get worried and try to speed up the deal.

Milner is a good player but he isn't better than what we've got in a position where we are stacked and we were never going to make him one of our three highest earners alongside Ozil and Sanchez at 150k a week.
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Yep, as I said though, only a rumour.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11679/9871661/james-milner-is-a-free-agent-this-summer-and-has-held-talks-with-arsenal-and-liverpool

Sad Chris said:
Keeping and buying are very different things. We keep players we wouldn't buy again, because they're decent squad players.
And regarding rumours...meh...every club in the top half of the table was supposedly after him at some point.
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That makes no sense.
We are trying to keep DeGea, is that simply because he is a decent squad player? Man City offered Milner an improved contract, maybe that was a way of getting rid of him.
 
Getsme said:
That makes no sense.
We are trying to keep DeGea, is that simply because he is a decent squad player? Man City offered Milner an improved contract, maybe that was a way of getting rid of him.
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I didn't say ALL players are only kept because they're decent squad players. Of course that would be ridiculous.
But I can't see us buying Valencia or Young if they were on the market, yet I could imagine them still getting a new contract. Same with Fellaini, I wouldn't target him as a new signing, but I'd keep him as a useful squad player.
 
Getsme said:
That makes no sense.
We are trying to keep DeGea, is that simply because he is a decent squad player? Man City offered Milner an improved contract, maybe that was a way of getting rid of him.
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:lol: Wow.
 
Sad Chris said:
I didn't say ALL players are only kept because they're decent squad players. Of course that would be ridiculous.
But I can't see us buying Valencia or Young if they were on the market, yet I could imagine them still getting a new contract. Same with Fellaini, I wouldn't target him as a new signing, but I'd keep him as a useful squad player.
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Of course not, but a Club will not offer a bumper pay rise to a player that they couldn't care less about.
If rumours are to be believed they offerd him £160k a month, that's hardly an offer that suggests they see him as a simple squad player. Furthermore, we targeted and bought Young, Fellaini and Valencia in the first place so that makes your post invalid. The truth is you simply see Millner as a shit signing simply due to him not being a flair player. He's going to improve them, will he be the difference between them qualifying for the Champions League? Probably not but he will most definitely be a factor if hey do qualify.

Maagge said:
:lol: Wow.
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wow what?
 
You could cut through the sexual tension in this thread like a knife through butter. Or Glade through a wet fart.
 
Lay said:
On Bogdan.
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I thought he was potentailly the best keeper in the world a few years back. He has since been though some nervous spells, but looks ready to fulfil that promise and at the very least be a good enough back up option. I'm happy enough with this, could even put some pressure on mignolet for 1st choice.
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Nice safe signing from Liverpool. At least if Bogdan doesn't fulfil his promise and potential to be the best 'keeper in the world, he'll at least make a good back up for Mignolet.
 
Getsme said:
Saying that it's the typical response of someone who can't back up their post.
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What? Do you want me to convince you that it was a ridiculous (part of your) post?
I think it's a ridiculous post, you probably don't think it is. Otherwise you hopefully wouldn't have posted it. It seems like you mistook my post for some kind of objective truth.
 
Maagge said:
What? Do you want me to convince you that it was a ridiculous (part of your) post?
I think it's a ridiculous post, you probably don't think it is. Otherwise you hopefully wouldn't have posted it. It seems like you mistook my post for some kind of objective truth.
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Ok then :lol:
 
Amethyst said:
I agree, think both signings are decent. The problem is that in midfield and up front especially they've gone backwards so although these two will help out they'd be rotation options for better teams. Milner will fine out on the right or in a midfield three, he's only 29 and has still got the legs to play box to box. Ings would be an ideal 3rd choice striker but because Balotelli is so awful and Sturridge is broken at the moment he's the best they've got for now. I can't see them finishing above 5th next year. In fact if Spurs buy some support for Kane and defensive cover I think they'll finish above them again with Pochettino in his second year. It can all change obviously depending on who gets brought in.
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Do they need more quality? Yes, but they also need to bulk out their squad if they are going to play Thursday Night Football all over eastern Europe. Because of that I think they are 3 very good signings for them.
 
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