RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition

Antisocial said:
PhaseOfPlay has written about the game:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=320489.0

Enjoy!
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So basically, Rodgers is a stubborn fool that refuses to change anything unless absolutely necessary, and only his vision of the game is the correct vision of the game, but we'll never actually know that because he's not got the time/money/players/wife/property to do so.

As for the question he poses about whether Rodgers will 'compromise' in the future. I'd hazard a guess at no, given that he basically has one way of playing and attempts it all of the time.
 
Got bored after the first paragraph, tl;dr. Skimmed over it, The La's were shit from memory, so were Cast.
 
RedRover said:
That's the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard.

Talking about "guilt" - are you, as a United fans responsible for any of the chaos caused by United fans when hooliganism was rife in the game? Innocent fans beaten up or stabbed, property looted or shops smashed up in away days in Europe or in the UK? I suspect you'd think you weren't.

This isn't about "free speech" because its not about having an opinion or discussing an issue with any actual interest. It's about a lot of grown men, most of whom who I suspect couldn't tell you anything about the actual events of Heysel/Munich (or whatever) trying to get a rise from another group of similar morons.

It's not people having and expressing a view on a historical event - it's mindless mob mentality from people who should know better, and often (as with the Chelsea "fans" in Paris the other week) are all apologies when they get singled out for their behaviour.

This kind of thing is what's wrong with football. There's still racism, still hatred - all for absolutely nothing. It's sad and it puts me off taking my kids to see my team and that's a real shame.
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Without bothering too much about the twaddle... I can tell you that the hooligan years constituted a good reason not to go to football games for very many people, and even a good reason to concentrate on other areas of life. Worrying about justified insults being hurled comes low on the scale.
 
Antisocial said:
PhaseOfPlay has written about the game:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=320489.0

Enjoy!
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TL:DR : Van Gaal doesn't have a vision, he can continue to make adjustments. Rodgers has a vision and he doesn't change his vision for anybody. Except when Liverpool got beat 3-0 at Old Trafford last time. This time, though, Rodgers is a footballing purist who won't make the adjustment. He can, but he won't. Because he's Eden Hazard's dad.
 
Reads like an audition to be Johnny Nicholson's (of F365) understudy. Yawn.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
My opinion remains unchanged. I do not think we disrespect the memory of Juve's fans in continuing to remind Liverpool of their despicable behaviour in that regard. Who other than Juve fans should really have a view that counts massively? Recent encounters suggest a lingering dissatisfaction with Liverpool's perpetual evasion of blame and inability to apologise.

This is not one set of fans rejoicing in the tragedy suffered by opposing fans and using it to mock them. (Like Munich and Hillsborough references). Eg the scouser who premeditated bringing the toy inflatable plane to that game. No Liverpool fans demonstrated with the odious cnt.
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They were singing "justice for the 39" to the same tune Liverpool fan sing "justice for the 96", so even if you wanna try and justify "reminding" scousers of their role in Heysel, I don't believe for a second that song isn't also baiting them about Hillsborough.
 
Skimmed through but did not one single person on there question the idiocy of it?

He describes what happened well enough but his rationale for why is no different than the rest
 
He said himself that he takes full responsibility for what his actions were. A lot of other referees would have just given a yellow and warned him to stamp it out because there were some other hefty challenges and some tackles that could've gone either way.'
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Feedingseagulls said:
My opinion remains unchanged. I do not think we disrespect the memory of Juve's fans in continuing to remind Liverpool of their despicable behaviour in that regard. Who other than Juve fans should really have a view that counts massively? Recent encounters suggest a lingering dissatisfaction with Liverpool's perpetual evasion of blame and inability to apologise.

This is not one set of fans rejoicing in the tragedy suffered by opposing fans and using it to mock them. (Like Munich and Hillsborough references). Eg the scouser who premeditated bringing the toy inflatable plane to that game. No Liverpool fans demonstrated with the odious cnt.
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You cannot seriously believe that "justice for the 39" is sang for any reason other than to get a rise out of Liverpool fans by using the tragic deaths of 39 fans of another club entirely as bait?

If United fans were truly passionate about justice being served for the 39 that lost their lives at Heysel, they'd be doing a lot more than chanting about it for two games a season. The fact that it's sung to the same tune as Liverpool's very justified "Justice for the 96" chant just further drives home that it's nothing more than incredibly distasteful points scoring.

As far as I'm aware, no fans of other clubs, not even Everton, chant it to them. "Justice for the 39" and other Heysel chants are a horrible stain on a bitter rivalry, and belong in the same category as references to the Munich Air Disaster and the Hillsborough Disaster, and to claim otherwise is to do nothing more than find excuses for behaving in a vile manner.
 
matherto said:
Considering the largest part of the always the victim mentality is to do with Hillsborough (and considering they bloody well were victims) then it doesn't matter if it was fabricated by them or not.

It shouldn't be sang, neither the without killing anyone chant, murderers or whatever else. Sing about them being shite yeah but just steer clear of Hillsborough/Heysel and everything associated with it.
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I agree with not singing it as I have said before. But do not re-invent history, the song was never about Hillsborough. It was sung long before that.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
I agree with not singing it as I have said before. But do not re-invent history, the song was never about Hillsborough. It was sung long before that.
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I'm not saying originally it wasn't about Hillsborough, nor is it now but there's tangible reason to believe a lot of our fans sing it now purely because they know the scousers and the media and everyone else associate it with Hillsborough and not Heysel and it winds them up no end. It'll forever be linked with it and both tragedies are linked by the fact Liverpool fans were involved and that won't ever change.

Because of that our paltry excuses of saying 'it's not about Hillsborough' will never wash and we haven't got a leg to stand on anyway because we're singing it for feck all reason and we shouldn't be.

Besides, how did we sing it before Hillsborough? 'Without killing anyone, we won it once'...?
 
matherto said:
I'm not saying originally it wasn't about Hillsborough, nor is it now but there's tangible reason to believe a lot of our fans sing it now purely because they know the scousers and the media and everyone else associate it with Hillsborough and not Heysel and it winds them up no end. It'll forever be linked with it and both tragedies are linked by the fact Liverpool fans were involved and that won't ever change.

Because of that our paltry excuses of saying 'it's not about Hillsborough' will never wash and we haven't got a leg to stand on anyway because we're singing it for feck all reason and we shouldn't be.

Besides, how did we sing it before Hillsborough? 'Without killing anyone, we won it once'...?
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Never heard that sang until post Liverpool singing 'we won it 5 times'. But even then, when singing we won it 3 times ... etc it is obvious United fans were singing about CL and Europe, not Hillsborough.

Anyway, I think we are all in agreement that United fans should not sing glorifying the deaths of anyone. We are a lot better than that.
 
Not winning the kick off was massive on sat. Id of took kicking towards the kop 1st half if it meant we had the chance to put them on the back foot for the first 30mins. That period was the most fustrated ive been in a long while and it seemed to throw a couple of players off there game straight away.
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:lol:Aye, it was the coin toss that won it for us.
 
Jippy said:
:lol:Aye, it was the coin toss that won it for us.
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Especially since I seem to remember that they usually choose to attack towards the Kop in the second half anyway (which the commentators are very happy to point out).
 
We've long since known they won't let facts get in the way of excuses.
 
Not RAWK, but... :lol:

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Bobcat said:
:lol: Jeez. What an incredibly sad character he is. Why do they do this? He knows hes not a United fan, they know it, and we know it. Isn't there another guy there (or is it the same?) who is supposedly a "united fan" but has Busby or something as an avatar?
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His avatar is Shankly. Someone here said he claims he doesn't know how to change it.
 
The jokes about Stevie G slipping last year have been sickening - every fan revelling in that song - now my facebook is a plethora of jokes about his sending off so fast. I'm so bloody sick of it - Id kill to see him score the winner in the fa cup final
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WyoManU said:
Very well said and seconded. It is just a game after all. Surely most people on here could tell a lot worse stories than a bunch of grown men kicking a ball around a field for 90 minutes and losing. I love our rivalries. It is what makes it so much fun. If we won every year as easily as Munich then I could never watch. As it is the BPL is the most competitive and entertaining league in the world. Love your team and cheer them on, but never sing songs about death and tragedy surrounding the opposition club, when we have much around our beloved United as well.
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I think most fans feel like that, but there always seems to be an element of "fans" who like to see it as something else. Sadly there are a lot of blokes (and it is always men) who seem to identify with their club as some kind of gang. Lads involved in the old football firms years ago were a lot of the time just blokes who enjoyed a fight and a lot weren't even that interested in the football - it was just an excuse to go out for the day, get drunk and batter someone about the head.

I watched a documentary the other week about the extreme right gruops that have popped up. A lot of those involed were ex-hooligans. Nonoe of them could articulate why they held these policitcal views, but they loved a scrap.

Getting back to the point, It shocks me that there are still people who think this kind of behavior is acceptable, let alone people who would try and justify it after the event and seem to be happy to be involved. Its sad and they're not people I'd want to be identified with as a United fan.
 
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Feedingseagulls said:
Without bothering too much about the twaddle... I can tell you that the hooligan years constituted a good reason not to go to football games for very many people, and even a good reason to concentrate on other areas of life. Worrying about justified insults being hurled comes low on the scale.
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So because singing about victims of various tradgedies is not as bad as what we had in the 70's that makes it alright? Sorry, that makes no sense to me.

Your arguments were predicated on people having the right to "free speech" when in reality all it amounts to is numerous idiots signing about the deaths of fellow human beings (and fellow football fans) simply to get a rise out of another set of idiots doing the same thing in the opposite stand.

That's where we're at here - the "twaddle" is trying to dress it up as some kind of quest for justice by one set of fans seeking to remind another of their "guilt".
 
NinjaZombie said:
We need our own Phase of Play. So I can stop thinking about what I write and just zombie-type in "Smashing read, that. *Smileyface* "as replies.
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Why do they feel the need to such huge amounts of drivel?

You dont need 2 pages of overly wordy tripe to say what he wanted to say.
 
NinjaZombie said:
We need our own Phase of Play. So I can stop thinking about what I write and just zombie-type in "Smashing read, that. *Smileyface* "as replies.
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Faze of Play

Like a spider trapped in a bath tub, Gerrard showed all of the characteristics of a man struggling to find a way out of the never-ending pit of imprisonment that he has allowed himself to fall into. As he steels himself yet again to attempt the near impossible climb up to safety and towards freedom, he reflects on the extent of his own failures and how far he has fallen. He also curses himself for dropping into the trap yet again, and like the spider he cannot understand the concept of slippy surfaces.

"That metaphor doesn't work," Gerrard thinks to himself. But then again, as shown for a second Sunday in as many years; neither does Gerrard.

Maybe he is secretly incredibly religious, and thus deeply offended that he is contractually obligated to play football on what is his Lord's day of rest? Maybe this, combined with Brendan Rodgers - a false idol in Gerrard's eyes - demanding that every player worship the ground he walks on and partake in daily prayer sessions towards the gigantic painting of the Liverpool manager riding a horse shaped Mighty Red, has brought Gerrard to breaking point? Maybe this Sunday was the final chapter in the on-going battle of the religions at Anfield, and Gerrard had finally decided to stand up tall and scream "NO MORE!" against the tyrannical oppression of the Anfield religion known simply as "Brendan's Church of I'm Brilliant"?

We may never know. We will probably never care.
 
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Did anyone see the couple of pages where some of them were saying its Lallana's fault for the sending off and not Gerrard?. Basically they were saying that if Lallana had of scored that sitter, Gerrard wouldn't of come on the field so fired up as they would of been level or maybe leading. Scouse logic for you.

Also whatever happened to 'Andy@Allerton', didn't he get banned or something?. There are a couple of posters on Rawk that post very similar to him and i wouldn't be surprised if one of them was him.
 
RetroStu said:
Did anyone see the couple of pages where some of them were saying its Lallana's fault for the sending off and not Gerrard?. Basically they were saying that if Lallana had of scored that sitter, Gerrard wouldn't of come on the field so fired up as they would of been level or maybe leading. Scouse logic for you.

Also whatever happened to 'Andy@Allerton', didn't he get banned or something?. There are a couple of posters on Rawk that post very similar to him and i wouldn't be surprised if one of them was him.
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