I was a world-class poster until Moyes' training methods made me regress.
RAWK Goes into Meltdown 2014/2015 - The "We go again" Edition
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Don't be daft, this is your year.
The one against Chelsea (one more reason to despise them).
If that's post-2009 I'll have to disagree strongly.
Lucas verging on world class.Will give you Agger though. Always admired him. Don't know world class or not but v.good CB.
Yes. Your posts quality is slipping down a lot.
Lucas is one of those players that the fans of the club's he plays for will overrate. A bit like Darren Fletcher.
I'd say Lucas at his best was at best close Fletcher's level. And I'd never say Fletcher was world class.
I'd say Lucas at his best was at best close Fletcher's level. And I'd never say Fletcher was world class.
That's strange considering by far his best form came under Dalglish, post 2009. I'd go as far as to say the current Lucas is better than Lucas pre-2009. In 2007 and 2008 he took quite a bit of abuse from our supporters because his form was so poor.
I have to let bias infect me here and say that absolute peak Lucas wasn't near absolute peak Fletcher. Lucas could never give a performance like Fletch's in the 09-10 derby for example, or Fletcher's performance away to Milan that year. Fletch also bossed him off the pitch in our game at OT against Pool that season. He was absolutely immense in 09-10, our second best player after Rooney who had the season of his life.
Agger has always been such a poor defender of set pieces that I can't accept that he was ever a world class center back near Ferdinand or Vidic.
I was a world class prick until......no.....never mind
Lucas did put in performances of similar standards. He was brilliant against City for instance and controlled the midfield.
Agger has only been poor at set pieces under Rodgers. He obviously wasn't a peak Vidic or Ferdinand.
In the 3-0? Sorry mate I thought Liverpool raced out the blocks in that game to batter City inside the half hour and then settled into a cosy passaround for the rest of the game. Fletcher was like a demon on the pitch in that derby, scoring 2 and putting in a terrorising performance. What set him apart from Lucas on top form was his ball skill, his cross to Rooney was a wonderful pick out, something Lucas just wasn't capable of. In terms of pressing and harrying (the main facet of both of their games) I'd say both of them were equals at peak form though.
Obviously he wasn't. They were completely different styles of players... That's like saying Mascherano isn't as good at dribbling as Wilshere and couldn't produce some of the dribbles that Wilshere has. Two totally different types of players, yet Mascherano clearly is the better player (Wilshere has another ten years to change that, to be fair).
Fletcher and Lucas were two completely different styles of player?
No they weren't. They were both fundamentally destroyers. And rather than being anchors they were both pressers of the opponent, not someone to shield the back 4. If anything they were two extremely similar players, just Fletcher had a far wider skillset compared to Lucas who is extremely limited.
Claiming the two of them were as different as Masch and Wilshere..
This is like arguing who's Reliant Robin is fastest.
Fred must have clubbed Barney over the head to come out with such nonsense. "Lucas on the verge of world class". Jesus Christ.
Oh, I know. Not even close.
But seriously, it was ours
Beginning to think @BarneyLFC is some form of parody account.... Calling Lucas and agger world class, after defending RAWK by denying all players that join LFC are world class to RAWKite eyes
We post again.
Lucas did have some very good games. We could also say the same about Anderson.
To be fair to them, most players miraculously becomes much better when they are injured/suspended/dropped. It's the best excuse - 'if only we had Player X today, we'd have beaten them.'
Just you wait til Falcao replaces van Persie...
Just you wait til Falcao replaces van Persie...
Now we shall learn the philosophy. It shall take time, but you will succeed.
Lucas used to be a good player but 'verging' on world class?
Where do I say they're world class? At least learn to read.
Fletcher and Lucas were two completely different styles of player?
No they weren't. They were both fundamentally destroyers. And rather than being anchors they were both pressers of the opponent, not someone to shield the back 4. If anything they were two extremely similar players, just Fletcher had a far wider skillset compared to Lucas who is extremely limited.
Claiming the two of them were as different as Masch and Wilshere..
Lucas was someone to shield the back four. That is exactly what he did. Fletcher and Lucas were not similar at all. Fletcher did not have a 'much wider skillset'. He had a different one.
They suffer from pure 2008-2009 season nostalgia.
'verging on world class' must be 1-2 rungs above 'potentially world class' though, cos this is about Lovren
their Alternative Premier League Table advantage over us is down to 5pts as well
(it's the system, apparently)
their Alternative Premier League Table advantage over us is down to 5pts as well
*sigh*
Granted, I think people here are being harsh on Lucas but I wouldn't consider him verging on world class too. He's been really good outside of his injuries and was flitting about the level below this so called "world class". But verging on world class? Nah... Never really seen that quality or potential of quality to get there in him. He's somewhat like a Fellaini (Everton) or Young (Villa) for me. Could look very good at times nonetheless.
They really are pinning everything on Sturridge now:
The Lovren bit is ridiculous. Apparently Lovren is only poor because he has to actually defend
The Lovren bit is ridiculous. Apparently Lovren is only poor because he has to actually defend
Agger was similar to Vermaelen i.e good ball player, average injury prone defenders hilariously overrated by their fans in early seasons.
Also see Vertonghen.
Also see Vertonghen.
They really are pinning everything on Sturridge now:
The Lovren bit is ridiculous. Apparently Lovren is only poor because he has to actually defend
Love the Moreno one too - the idea that a team that can't defend bought a left back specifically for his inter-play with the striker is genius.
No, that's wrong. However:
Lucas became world class during the injury. The longer he was injured, the better he started to become in the eyes of RAWK and most of Liverpool supporters. After few months of him missing, he became world class. Then, he became the best defensive midfielder in the league and later during his spell out he became the best defensive midfielder in the world. If only the injury had lasted a bit longer, he would have became the best defensive midfielder of all time and arguably the best player ever.
Unfortunately for him, the injury ended and with that ended his rating. He became as useless as he was before the injury.
They really are pinning everything on Sturridge now:
The Lovren bit is ridiculous. Apparently Lovren is only poor because he has to actually defend
Definitely are reaching a bit with Sturridge. Good striker of course but hardly going to dramatically transform them in a single reappearance.
I do think allowing the Incredible Sulk to drop deeper will help though, when Sturridge returns.