RAWK Goes Into Meltdown | 2013/14

That'sHernandez said:
I don't agree with what TheRisingSun said but if everyone is so disgusted by it, why not just let it drop and not speak of it? We all think it's disgraceful so don't give him the attention or credibility to his argument by dignifying him with any further responses.
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Is this irony? It is, isn't it?
 
After reading the last two pages, I'm missing the poems about Benitez, somebody post them soon. This thread is supposed to be amusing.
 
KM said:
After reading the last two pages, I'm missing the poems about Benitez, somebody post them soon. This thread is supposed to be amusing.
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Q. If you see a Scouser on a bicycle, why should you never swerve to hit him?

A: It might be your bicycle.
 
RedRob said:
There once was a man named Rafa,
Who thought he'd try being a gaffa,
But a press conference went to shit,
And he looked like a tit,
But gave United fans all a laugh-a.
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Not big enough and not enough "art of war" references.

3/10
 
Hopeful Scouser 01 said:
I bet Moyes is shitting himself right now. Like properly panicking. He won't admit it in public, but he'd have been hoping for much better results in pre season. Not that you get any points now, but Wigan must be favourites for today, and then he'll be looking at games against Swansea, Chelsea, us and City in his first 5 games and be shitting himself about sitting on about 5 points from that lot.

I'm enjoying their Hodgson a lot more than I enjoyed our Hodgson
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Hopeful Scouser 01 said:
Yeh but United have Moyes in charge and Wigan are coming into the game on the back of a 4-0 win, I think they should be favourites
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PostMatch Scouser 01 said:
Not surprising. They're screwed if van Persie gets injured though.
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Confused Scouser 01 said:
when sky keep saying about Man Utd's winger philosophy someone explain that to me. like i've only ever known ferguson as Man Utd manager. did they have this "philosophy" before him or is it a sky myth?
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Battling with Realism Scouser 01 said:
As for knocking United off their perch - that doesn't necessarily mean declaring 'imminent dominion', it may not mean winning the league, it could just mean finishing above them, or close to them, or beating them twice so that someone else wins the league... it's about knocking the sense of invulnerability and inevitability that has settled over United under Ferguson. And now is the time to give it a go with Moyes fresh and new at Old Trafford, because if we don't take a chance now (regardless of we finished last season), then we are going to miss the boat big time.

You make a big deal of Liverpool not having a chance because they finished seventh yet think a manager who has won feck all (and beating Wigan for the Charity Shield is still feck all) will maintain United's success? He might... but by the same token we might do better than you expect. But I guarantee we won't get anywhere by lowering expectations:

"Steven, Danny, Lucas... lads... don't worry, we aren't going to make it hard for you by raising expectations. You finished 7th last season and we don't want to put pressure on you so 5th or 6th will do nicely... And Luis - yes you in the corner - we know you want Champions League but feck that, scraping into Europa League is the best we can hope for so stick around yeah?... OK everyone happy with that?..."
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Manc Scouser 01? said:
Excellent - part one of the plan has worked well, Moyes has 'won' a trophy. Now all we need is a second place finish in the league, and maybe a league cup win, enough to keep him the job at least one more season.
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PhaseofPlay said:
So van Persie with a thigh strain a couple of weeks ago, and now Rafael possibly out for 5 weeks with a hamstring strain.

The Christmas block of games should be very interesting
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United fans should be worried by how their team is training.
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PhaseofPlay said:
He doesn't understand the difference between an explosive player and a stamina player, and that both need to be trained differently, and rested differently. Giggs, if not used sparingly, will be affected a lot, I think. Van Persie, Nani and Young, too. The central midfielders will probably benefit, as will the fullbacks. The central defenders, though, might have a few injuries because they are also explosive positions that require a lot of turning, and if you don't work on it, you could put them at risk. If one of the United defenders get a cruciate ligament injury this season, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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:lol: His posts on Moyes lack of training know how are hilarious.
 
Earthquake said:
Isn't that like one of the things Moyes is most well known for, keeping his squads fit and well trained?
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One Night Only said:
He's basically applying for a job working for Brenton, using RAWK as his platform. He sounds like a coaching genius.
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Ah, but don't you know it's easier to keep a carthorse fitter than a racehorse.

It'll be a sad day when it sets in that they finished a race behind a carthorse.
 
Earthquake said:
Isn't that like one of the things Moyes is most well known for, keeping his squads fit and well trained?
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But he's obviously running them too hard. Why can't he see what's so obvious? Centre defenders and older players shouldn't be trained as hard as the other lads but Moyes the eegit just lumps them all in together. He hasn't a clue
 
This one is actually very good.

This Rooney hating has gone too far now! I'm outside Old Traffod and there's a guy burning small effigies of Rooney and selling them to fans!

Oh, hang on... Sorry!! It's a baked potato stand...
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More on Moyes training.

He will re-discover his form. If he goes and UTD don't replace him then they will struggle if and when RVP gets injured which is inevitable with Dinosaur Moyes and his methods!
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:lol: Wishful thinking leading the lads.
 
And again

You also have to factor in that Van Persie is unlikely to go a third season without injury, especially with Moyes and his fitness coaches - and anyone can see that Welbeck/Hernandez aren't going to win titles as first choice strikers...
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God they want it so much/
 
Where does this idea of Moyes injuring players in training come from? I would guess that Everton's injury record over the last few years was better than Arsenal and United's at least but suddenly Moyes is going to come in and murder Van Persie. I suppose once you've witnessed the revolutionary David Brenton Rogers method, everything else looks archaic.
 
The thing is though, Brenton is quite possibly the most boring man in the world, I'm amazed his players manage to stay awake through his training sessions
 
rolandofgilead said:
The thing is though, Brenton is quite possibly the most boring man in the world, I'm amazed his players manage to stay awake through his training sessions
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That's why Liverpool are so healthy. Extra naps during training. Genius, la, that kind of advanced method is well beyond the mancs and Gollum. YAWN(except Suarez, YWA).
 
rolandofgilead said:
The thing is though, Brenton is quite possibly the most boring man in the world, I'm amazed his players manage to stay awake through his training sessions
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I used to like the fella when he managed Swansea, seemed quite lively and decent. As soon as he went to Liverpool he turned into a boring zombie, spouting loads of bullshit that had been fed to him. Imagine Liverpool actually getting a strong willed, intelligent and outspoken manager?
 
Earthquake said:
That's why Liverpool are so healthy. Extra naps during training. Genius, la, that kind of advanced method is well beyond the mancs and Gollum. YAWN(except Suarez, YWA).
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you make a good point, la.

We've always been the cutting edge in developing our training techniques, la. The way that we kept Ruddock in shape and Gerrard out of London and jail was genius, la.

Those mancs will never be able to keep up with us, Giggs is only 25 really, but the media have kept quiet that mr ferguson perfected the cloning procedure to keep him young, la.

We will always be the biggest club in England, la. Even losing the beautiful king rafa, the mind poisoning of the great king luis and the questionable spending of the beloved king kenny couldn't stop the red men power.

YAWN, la
 
rolandofgilead said:
you make a good point, la.

We've always been the cutting edge in developing our training techniques, la. The way that we kept Ruddock in shape and Gerrard out of London and jail was genius, la.

Those mancs will never be able to keep up with us, Giggs is only 25 really, but the media have kept quiet that mr ferguson perfected the cloning procedure to keep him young, la.

We will always be the biggest club in England, la. Even losing the beautiful king rafa, the mind poisoning of the great king luis and the questionable spending of the beloved king kenny couldn't stop the red men power.

YAWN, la
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Questionable spending? Manc scum, rag bastard.
 
Im shitting my pants now. He beat a Championship side. How the feck will we ever cope with the force of Man Utd?
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Obviously skipping over the part that Liverppols last trophy was after a 2-2 draw with then championship side, Cardiff.

It's old fashioned thinking versus education for the most part, L666. Moyes has access to fitness coaches, but largely ignores them, from what I've heard. In much the same way that Mancini dismissed his scouts at City (their loss is our gain!) thinking he knew better, there is still that old school distrust of people who "haven't played the game" in English football. Mourinho and Rafa were both educated in physical fitness, so they understood modern methods. To his credit, Hodgson knew he didn't know enough, so he let Burgess get on with it, but I suspect that Kenny maybe reduced his influence when he returned, preferring the old ways. Rodgers understands with a modern coaches eye that you can train globally and hit all your fitness requirements using the ball (something Shanks knew intuitively), and he also understands the most important aspect of fitness - rest and recovery. Moyes is too old fashioned. Allardyce, while surprisingly modern with scouting and match analysis, seems to use old fitness clichés more than he should. Ferguson knew what he didn't know, and left his lieutenants to do their jobs. Moyes, though, seems to want all the involvement, and that means training every player like a central midfielder. Stoke will find that Hughes is a lot more educated on these things than Pulis was, and so they will probably have a better injury record under Hughes. The information and knowledge is out there, but coaches and managers don't avail of it.

It's always funny to me that managers and coaches visit other clubs to "see their methods" and learn - but most coaching methods are similar - it's more in how you tie all the drills together as part of an overall plan. the real methods they should be studying are fitness methods, but they rarely go to watch those. My theory is that there is a generation or generations of current managers who all left school at 16 to become players, and so never really got "into" education, so for most of them, any talk of lactic threshold, type I and II muscle fibres, fascia and maximal volume of oxygen goes over their heads. So rather than learn, they just say "you never played the game, here's how it's done" and do things they did as young players, ignoring the experts standing right beside them.
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Another Gem from RAWKS resident coach.

Thanks for that mate. So you think that United will be hit by more injuries if Moyes continues his method of coaching and thats a bad news for players like Van Persie, Ferdinand and oldies like Giggs and Scholes? That also means he wont give a toss on resting and recovering periods for players?
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Aporkalypse said:
PhaseOfPlay is either Raymond Verheijen or is simply parroting his bullshit.
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:lol: his CL prediction is ridiculous as well. Perhaps he's moonlighting as a failed physio?

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For the record their 'David Moyes' thread is hilarious :lol:.

I'm honestly not even sure of that. Looking at the form of their players from last season, how the feck did they win the league?
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I mean you're probably right in that they will be up there I guess but... seriously, who had good seasons for Man Utd last year, their defence, Carrick and Van Persie ? Genuine question because I'm not sure. Don't think that will be enough without Ferguson.
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:lol: god bless.
 
Van Persie has played in every single league game for two seasons running.

Small bit of research tells me that the last Premier League game that van Persie missed for any reason was 5 March 2011, which was Arsenal's 0-0 draw at home to Sunderland.

86 league games in a row.
 
rolandofgilead said:
Obviously skipping over the part that Liverppols last trophy was after a 2-2 draw with then championship side, Cardiff.



Another Gem from RAWKS resident coach.
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I've read and re-read this bit, and still haven't a clue what he is on about!!

Rodgers understands with a modern coaches eye that you can train globally and hit all your fitness requirements using the ball
 
swooshboy said:
I've read and re-read this bit, and still haven't a clue what he is on about!!

Rodgers understands with a modern coaches eye that you can train globally and hit all your fitness requirements using the ball
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It's not meant to make sense it's meant to entice and confound. It's dangling keys in front of your eyes. It's so overtly complex and yet meaningless that it must mean something amazing and insightful.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Van Persie has played in every single league game for two seasons running.

Small bit of research tells me that the last Premier League game that van Persie missed for any reason was 5 March 2011, which was Arsenal's 0-0 draw at home to Sunderland.

86 league games in a row.
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That's an incredible turnaround for some who seemed very injury prone. Has he ever spoken about a reason for the change?
 
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