That's my favourite Shakespeare speech ruined now, thanks RAWK
RAWK Goes Into Meltdown | 2013/14
- Thread starter Buchan
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Why can't Suarez realise that staying at Liverpool is the better option? who wants to play alongside Messi, Iniesta and Neymar anyway?
Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres - They all fall pray to the black voodoo of Anfield.
The ideal situation would be him leaving and causing your level to drop and him not fitting in at Barca and ruining his career.
Liverpool wont be able to replace him, they can buy as many good players all they want but he was carrying them last season. Will be interesting to see how they spend the money they get for him. I dont think they will challenge for the title this season, to many new players and now they will have to deal with resting their best players for the CL matches and probably get more injuries throughout the season due to more games.
Another top 4 would be a success for them, can see Arsenal going out of the top 4 if Wenger doesn't start spending.
Another top 4 would be a success for them, can see Arsenal going out of the top 4 if Wenger doesn't start spending.
Torres has won a Champions League and FA Cup since leaving Liverpool. If you're referring to his personal fortunes, it was Liverpool who crocked him anyway when Rafa kept forcing him back early from injury in 09/10, so that would have happened even if he had stayed.
Torres did that to himself when he went to the world cup injured.
Suarez had a little bite,
The Scousers cried in pain,
He pissed off all the sad Kopites,
And buggered off to Spain.
He wouldn't have gone to the WC injured if Rafa hadn't rushed him back from one knee surgery and played him through his need for another.
Seriously, what's the point of RAWK even existing? They fecking lock every thread relating to the big issues.
Suarez thread locked, Sanchez thread locked. They make it so difficult for me to go there for a quick laugh.
Suarez thread locked, Sanchez thread locked. They make it so difficult for me to go there for a quick laugh.
They weren't challenging for the title this season with Suarez anyway.Last season was a crazy mix of a non crowded fixture list, no real injuries and fortune going their way.....
til Stevie slipped...
Best part is they are delusional that Suarez didn't carry them.
If there's one thing they're saying I agree with, it's that. Suarez was a flat track bully for a lot of season tbh.
They played well early without him, but would've never gotten near the top 4 without his 31 league goals. I doubt Ricky Lambert and Lalana will be able to offset Suarez's influence. His mere presence made the likes of Sterling, Sturridge, and Coutinho much more effective.
To be fair, 47% of his goals each season were scored against Norwich.
May not be a real statistic.
Sturridge was good when Suarez was missing. Sturridge however, probably couldn't hold it down for a whole season. Replacing Suarez directly will be impossible. They can only replace him with someone at the level like Huntelaar. I doubt that is enough.
I agree with the last line but I do think they would have made a decent fist of a top 4 place without Suarez. I'm pretty sure he only scored the same amount of winners as Sturridge (open to being proven wrong on this) and well over half of his goals came against bottom six sides, didn't score against the current top 4 either.
I'm pretty sure Sturridge won us more points with his goals than Suarez.
Suarez was central to their system last season. Sturridge had a good season but he's not the kind of player that can have every attack go through him in the way Suarez was doing.
In our best run, Suarez and Sturridge both dropped off.
Nah, you're alright.Nice to see you again, chief.
I have a release clause of 45p - surely another forum will make a bid?
I read a stat saying 52% of his goals happened against the bottom five (or three, can't remember), which is definitely eye-catching. Still, his lack of big game record is well overplayed IMO.
Arsenal: Poor away. Fantastic at home, even if he only got one assist.
Chelsea: Poor in both games. To be fair, pretty much all top strikers had trouble against them last season because of their style. Van Persie, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, Diego Costa all struggled.
City: MOTM away. Worked hard and created a lot of chances that his teammates failed to take advantage of. He was all right at home. Got an assist.
Everton: Goal away. Goal and an assist at home.
Spurs: Fabulous away. 2 goals, 2 assists (should have been more), and worked his socks off. Very good at home. Scored a nice goal and was a nuisance all match long.
United: Good away. Scored once and was a constant nuisance.
That's a very good record. He was the best player in the league by a country mile last season. He's a huge loss.
He had a combined goals and assists tally of 44 last season, Liverpool scored 101 in total.
So he was responsible for just short of 50% of all their goals.
So he was responsible for just short of 50% of all their goals.
They really didn't play well. They won their first three games 1-0, but against Stoke they were lucky Stoke missed a late penalty, against Villa they were hammered but somehow survived, and their win against us looks a lot less impressive in hindsight when you consider how poor we were last season and the fact that we were actually the better team on the day. They then drew against Swansea before losing to Southampton, 5 goals in their first five games isn't exactly impressive.
Suarez may well have been a flat track bully, but the fact is they would've probably struggled to beat those teams without him.
That is true but from the games I watched Suarez was still the one winning penalties and free kicks, he also occupied defenders which allowed the likes of Sterling to score.
It's a moot point though, you rely on players like Suarez to get you through the whole season, not just be a part of "your best run".
So, are Liverpool supporters now telling us that Suarez wasn't that much of a key to them reaching top 4 last season?
I thought he was the best player in the world though?
Suarez is a racist to them now.
Not anymore. Either Sturridge or Lambert from now on.
No, he clearly was. He just wasn't the only reason.
Not sure what's funny there? Both did.
The change in the scousers on here is hilarious. They were the most arrogant bunch of nobs I've ever encountered on here, last season. Now they are back to their bitter best.
Although, I must admit that I miss some of it, as I have the majority on ignore following their carry on last season.
Although, I must admit that I miss some of it, as I have the majority on ignore following their carry on last season.
Sure others contributed but he was they key and without him you might not have been in top 4. Liverpool supporters have been telling everyone throughout the last season and afterwards how Suarez, even if he is not scoring or assisting, is contributing to goals, assists (you people have some term for it right? assist-assist or something?), creating space for others etc etc. Without Suarez, for teams it would have been easier to stifle your attack.
Kopites, RAWKites, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to consider Luis, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their transfers;
So let it be with Luis. The noble Blatter
Hath told you Luis was brutish:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Luis answer'd it.
There, under leave of Blatter and the rest--
For Blatter is an honourable man;
So are they all, FIFA, all honourable men--
Come I to speak in Luis's leaving do.
He was my hero, faithful and just to me:
But Blatter says he was brutish;
And Blatter is an honourable man.
He hath scored many goals here at home
Whose aspirations did these goals fulfil?
Did this in Luis seem ambitious?
When that the ‘Pool have cried, Luis hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Blatter says he was brutish;
And Blatter is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the December 13th
He was presented with the kingly armband…
Which he did return to Agger: was this ambition?
Yet Barcelona says he is ambitious;
And, sure, they are honourable men.
I speak not to disprove what Blatter spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the Camp Nou there with Luis,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
I come to consider Luis, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their transfers;
So let it be with Luis. The noble Blatter
Hath told you Luis was brutish:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Luis answer'd it.
There, under leave of Blatter and the rest--
For Blatter is an honourable man;
So are they all, FIFA, all honourable men--
Come I to speak in Luis's leaving do.
He was my hero, faithful and just to me:
But Blatter says he was brutish;
And Blatter is an honourable man.
He hath scored many goals here at home
Whose aspirations did these goals fulfil?
Did this in Luis seem ambitious?
When that the ‘Pool have cried, Luis hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Blatter says he was brutish;
And Blatter is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the December 13th
He was presented with the kingly armband…
Which he did return to Agger: was this ambition?
Yet Barcelona says he is ambitious;
And, sure, they are honourable men.
I speak not to disprove what Blatter spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the Camp Nou there with Luis,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
