Gerrard for me, was never a true midfielder. He's brainless. Lacks the positioning, the tempo and the temperament.
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Stop it now all of you. Jeez, if this thread was a Gerrard vs Scholes thread I'm pretty sure it would say it at the top of my page.
Scholes is one of the great midfielders of all time and TBF most people in that thread recognize this.
But Gerrard was class too in his peak days between 05-09. People who don't recognize this are a bit blind. While he suffers from a lack of discipline I thought Benitez did a good job in bringing the best from him in those days.
But Gerrard was class too in his peak days between 05-09. People who don't recognize this are a bit blind. While he suffers from a lack of discipline I thought Benitez did a good job in bringing the best from him in those days.
Just LOLZ
That's fecking mental, he was a world class midfielder at his peak.
most overused term in football. He was a top player at his peak but never world class
He was. He finished 3rd in the Balon d'Or in 2005 and was arguably the best midfielder in the world at that point. Xavi wasn't the Xavi we see nowadays, Iniesta was a pasty faced substitute for Barcelona, Scholes had been injured and fairly poor in all honesty. Gerrard was above them all, so that probably classifies him as world class
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What have I just read Olly
He wasn't as good as Roy Keane at his best. Though the length of his career certainly counts for something.
was better
Personally I disagree; Scholes has an infinitely better range of passing.
gerrard and Keano are a different type of player.
You claim he was arguably the best midfielder in the world in 05 after finishing third in the Ballon d'Or and then rattle off a few names to justify your comment but blatently ignore the fact that there was at better midfielder playing in the same league that year who happened to finish above him in the voting
If you look at the world player of the year for 05 too the same player finishes 2nd again with Gerrard down in 7th
So... Steven Gerrard, best midfielder in liverpool in 2005? Yes
Best midfielder in england, europe, the world in 05? No
Gerrard is at best an explosive complete midfielder, and that's for the span of 3-5 years at max
Even at the twillight of his career he still don't have a fecking clue where he plays best.
Speaks so much of the man, he's a one man show ponny (while it's all good and heroic, but that's far too few and between), now he's just a shit passer of the ball who demands everything to go thru him
Even at the twillight of his career he still don't have a fecking clue where he plays best.
Speaks so much of the man, he's a one man show ponny (while it's all good and heroic, but that's far too few and between), now he's just a shit passer of the ball who demands everything to go thru him
That's the same award that one Michael Owen won?
Also, I'd argue Lampard was better than Gerrard in 06/07.
Lot of revisionism going on here. Gerrard was a fantastic player who wouldve walked into any team in the world at his peak.
In a week where George Best just about gets into our top 5 best ever players, I've stopped taking what the caf says seriously.
In a week where George Best just about gets into our top 5 best ever players, I've stopped taking what the caf says seriously.
Gerrard was a fantastic matchwinner and a world class attacking midfielder at his peak. I think it's difficult to compare him to players like Roy Keane and Paul Scholes as they are very different players. Scholes definitely has more to his all round game and is a more intelligent player, but Gerrard was and still is a player who can captain his team step up to penalties and set pieces.
As a CM Scholes was better, playing in the hole it's probably Gerrard.
As a CM Scholes was better, playing in the hole it's probably Gerrard.
Wow, seriously?
I mean I'll be honest, I hadn't had the opportunity to watch him live but I've viewed several games, goals, etc. of him and have also heard only praise of him so I'd put him in there without a question.
And to be "on topic", I'd never be able to pick a midfielder before Scholes with a straight face, at the peak or carreer wise, Scholes would always be one of the first names on the team sheet. And although I dislike Gerrard to an extent, and obviously am also really fond of Keane, I'd have to say Gerrard would probably be concidered "the better player" by the majority after his carreer is over, however I'll say it again, whoever said Gerrard is/was a better choice than Scholes is either mental and/or a Liverpool fan.
LOCKED.
It's a bit pointless to attempt to make a statement about a player being the best in his position by pointing out he finished 3rd in Ballon d'Or voting in 2005... while dismissing/forgetting another midfielder finished 2nd (Lampard).
Picard sends a facepalm.
Picard sends a facepalm.
There was nothing to choose between Lampard and Gerrard in that time. Lampard was better at passing and was mroe intelligient but Gerrard was more explosive and a better leader. Also at votes Lampard had only 6 votes more than Gerrard. Anyway, both of them in that time were the best midfielders in the world and they were 2 of the 3 best players in the world.
That's the same award that one Michael Owen won?
I have started watching regular football one year laster so I cannot be entirely sure if he deserved it or not, though I have read that it was a correct decision to award him it.
Anyway, it is clear to see that our hate about Liverpool cloud our judgement about it's players. Saying that Gerrard was never a world class looks nonsense to me, if he was the best player in Pool team who won Champions League, was third in Ballon D'or, was chosen 7 times in Premier League best eleven and was chosen one time as best Premier League player. If that's not world class, then we can argue about every player if he is or not.
That's such a brilliant non sequitur.
Here's one for you, Your Waltness.
'The Pain of Belief':
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296692.0
'The Pain of Belief':
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296692.0
Here's one for you, Your Waltness.
Cheers, Steve! You know what I like, and I like what I see...
...and here's a picture of the poster:
Here's one for you, Your Waltness.
'The Pain of Belief':
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296692.0
As I mentioned in the "Being Liverpool" thread this morning, every time I read one of those posts from RAWK now, I hear it in that scouse poet's oh-so-sincere voice at the beginning of each episode
Cheers, Steve! You know what I like, and I like what I see...
Hello, hello, hello. Is this the start of a caf romance?
Did Scholesy ever win the Balon d'Or?
Cheers, Steve! You know what I like, and I like what I see...
You two are doing it on the side aren't you?
I doubt that he was ever close. He was never in Top 3, but I don't think that he was in Top 10 too.
Scholes in 2002/2003 was absolutely majestic playing in the hole behind RvN. For me Gerrard talent was more physical than Scholes, while Scholes was more cerebral in his play.
The fact that Scholes can changed from a forward, to central midfield, to deep lying playmaker during his career and still played at the highest level at all those position is an indication of his talent.
Gerrard "WAS" World class
I don't think I'd pick him over Scholes, Carrick, Anderson, even Cleverly and that's without bias, probably not over Anderson, but they do the basic right, pass, and while Gerrard can be explosive and magical 9 out of 10 he's just a waste of space and ruins the game for everyone else, and unless that magical 1 in 10 occurs he's a liability.
When was the last time he perform well, not to mention world class.
I don't think I'd pick him over Scholes, Carrick, Anderson, even Cleverly and that's without bias, probably not over Anderson, but they do the basic right, pass, and while Gerrard can be explosive and magical 9 out of 10 he's just a waste of space and ruins the game for everyone else, and unless that magical 1 in 10 occurs he's a liability.
When was the last time he perform well, not to mention world class.
He's never even received a vote, which is absolutely shocking.
Too unassuming by half.
It might be apalling, but not that shocking to me. I mean, he definitely deserved the votes, but he was never after them, Scholes doesn't give a flying feck about personal accolades.
I thought this has been discussed on here before, he's a massive massive player, but never one that looked for the spotlight, even if he sometimes should have due to his talents.
Any other player in the world with talent like Scholesy's would've been among those, but not Scholesy him self
Someone, someone please, for the love of God tell me why RAWK posters think they are a gift from on high to literature and the poetic verse.
It's the most fecking pathetic, pretentious, overdramatised drivel I have ever, ever read. I can imagine the scene. Sitting at their computer, scribing in faint candle light...looking to the sky with eyes half open. Hand gesticulating in the air as they tap away the next tired, ridiculous and laughable attempt at giving the latest fall on their arse failure a sense of romance, long forgotten with the days before the backpass rule.
They're humid, pre-possessing homosapiens with full-sized aortic pumps
It's the most fecking pathetic, pretentious, overdramatised drivel I have ever, ever read. I can imagine the scene. Sitting at their computer, scribing in faint candle light...looking to the sky with eyes half open. Hand gesticulating in the air as they tap away the next tired, ridiculous and laughable attempt at giving the latest fall on their arse failure a sense of romance, long forgotten with the days before the backpass rule.
They're humid, pre-possessing homosapiens with full-sized aortic pumps
Wellin' up ere la.
Boss!
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