RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)
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I hate to break it to the Scousers, but Shankly, Paisley and Fagan are, in fact, dead. Fagan was only in charge for 2 years as well.
I'm sure Souness and Dalglish will get them soon enough. It just takes longer for players who had really excellent playing careers to get knighted over managers.
And even if those men did deserve knighthoods, surely they can't deny Fergie doesn't still deserve his? In real life I haven't come across a Liverpool supporter who doesn't think Fergie deserved his knighthood, they all admit he did.
And Redcafe to cafe rouge.
I don't actually get this one. Are we supposed to be that mentally unstable that we get offended by them not calling a forum we use by the correct name or do they just like pretending they're French?
That's kind of cool though, everyone knows French sounds cool. When spoken by a cool French person though, not Wenger.
As does "Fergie"
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Do they have one of those side-by-side league things like Marca do each week? You know where they put the real league table next to a modified one, where the modified one takes into account every goal scored in each game that round that was due to a refereeing error (offside for example) or say every valid/invalid penalty that was given or not given. So, for example, depending on how you look at it, you could say in the United vs Chelsea match that we had two goals from offside positions, thus it was actually a draw -2 points of the real table?
Just wondering with all of the moaning they do about referees and the league being bent.
Just wondering with all of the moaning they do about referees and the league being bent.
Something like this, you mean?
Right Result Premier League Table
EDIT: Ah. They seem to have stopped updating it since '09...
Yeah they've got plenty of genuine spastics, no question. But if you look at the matchday thread I was actually talking about it's post after post saying how good we are right now, with the occasional bitter dissenter. I'd be surprised to see anything as magnanimous about them in here, though hopefully we'll never find out due to them being forever mediocre.
Yeah, sort of like that. MARCA do it every Monday.
Sporting Intelligence did that for the whole last season, they don't do weekly though.
REVEALED: The table that shows Arsenal and Blackpool were cheated last season « Sporting Intelligence
REVEALED: The table that shows Arsenal and Blackpool were cheated last season « Sporting Intelligence
Sporting Intelligence did that for the whole last season, they don't do weekly though.
REVEALED: The table that shows Arsenal and Blackpool were cheated last season « Sporting Intelligence
I guess that solves the mystery of which table peterstorey would cling to, now that Arsenal are bottom of his "Storeytime" league.
Sporting Intelligence did that for the whole last season, they don't do weekly though.
REVEALED: The table that shows Arsenal and Blackpool were cheated last season « Sporting Intelligence
Good thing about the right results table was that you could read about every game and what they changed. Had a lot more transparency to it.
This was mentioned by Wenger in one of his recent interviews btw..
Cantona envy.
I hate when people say stuff like this. I mean where does the claim even stem from? Because I've never seen any evidence to support this comprehensively pessimistic view of the caf. Indeed all you really need to do is spend 2 seconds looking at the praise City are getting on here for their football, or current youth development plans, to see that the above affirmation is probably not true at all.
Not that accurate unless someone with no life sits through every game and looks at people unfairly ruled offside and then a panel decides if they would have scored a goal if play were to resume, and if the grass was the right length and the lines were the right kind of white etc etc etc. It doesn't fail to baffle me the lengths some people will go to.
Neither have I.
Plech's comments honestly remind me of my mother going "Ooooh! You have to excuse the awful mess!" when there's not a speck of dust in the house and you could eat dinner straight off the bathroom floor.
Being self-critical is good, being self-deprecating to the point of pure insanity is just extremely annoying.
I'm not at all convinced our reactions would be similar if the tables were turned (in terms of success and failure). Unlike the Caf & its members, a great deal of RAWK/LFC fans' allegedly Romantic leanings are, I suspect, not truly Romantic at all but instead are founded in a sense of entitlement and the notion of thwarted 'justice'. Neither concept means that a club deserves to be successful.
I respect LFC above many arriviste Premiership clubs, but I genuinely think the above is true.
I respect LFC above many arriviste Premiership clubs, but I genuinely think the above is true.
arriviste? you really are a writer
It's only really the Mancs who have the genuine hatred of City, in the main. Whereas there's an awful lot of posters who just have a visceral loathing for the Scousers, and who will attack any post that praises them. It's all a bit more muted than over on RAWK because they're so shit, but it's still pretty blinkered... turn the tables for one or two seasons and I don't think there'd be much difference.
The conspiracy madness, I grant you, is a bit more a RAWK culture thing. But the bitterness is no different from how United fans used to talk in the eighties.
I don't really feel like I'm being self-deprecating when I criticise the Caf. It's my favourite internet forum, but it's also unquestionably full of cretins.
Well, that analogy of mine left a lot to be desired, I admit. How about 'You exaggerate the speck in the Caf's eye but fail to notice the beam in RAWK's'? No? I agree, it's still rubbish.
I still really can't see any of the OTT vitriol or the 'we're the Chosen Ones, the humble servants of the spirit of football, guardians of the Flame of Righteousness'-bollocks I see at RAWK over here. Which might of course be due to the fact that I'm looking for silly nonsense at RAWK, and (reasonably) serious football discussion here.
From that Fergie thread.
Just what is with them and Rafa.
No, I agree there are many, many aspects of RAWK that are completely ludicrous. I've posted their comical paranoid burblings in this thread a fair few times - my location is taken from one!
But if you read the thread I was referring to, it's surprisingly magnanimous (with plenty of bitterness as well, of course).
But if you read the thread I was referring to, it's surprisingly magnanimous (with plenty of bitterness as well, of course).
Which one's that, then?
One of the matchday threads, can't remember whether it was Chelsea or Leeds.
Stubbins' diving header in the snow!
The hallowed ground.
I do agree that there are lot of decent posters there, and that it's often unfair when we refer to 'RAWKites' as a monolith. (Just imagine if Cal?'s opinions on Messi were known as 'the Caf's view on Messi'.)
I just can't agree that it's a given that the Caf would be that much worse should the fortunes be turned. If you're extrapolating from current behaviour, surely the Caftards deserve a bit more credit?
Regarding the 70s & 80s, I'm just glad we didn't have message boards back then, and so the really tinfoilhatty/vitriolic ones were isolated, and didn't find lots of mates to strengthen their bizarre world view.
Personally I never heard any conspiracy theories/'hope he breaks a leg'/'we're better than them just because we are The Anointed Ones' silliness, but that's probably because I only discussed United with my family/mates/people around us at OT in those days, and rarely visited pubs (too young).
What's bizarre about that RAWK thread is that the most used argument against Ferguson is his approach to officials and the discipline among his players. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is just as bad. In addition to that, I'd love to have seen football in the 70's when Liverpool were winning, just so I could judge whether they were extremely sporting and upright fellows whilst doing it. Was football in those times genuinely different in a disciplinary sense to how it is now?
The only negative of Ferguson for me is the grudges he holds against journalists for no real reason, and blocks various people out of his press conferences. Then United receive a lot of negative press, which Ferguson complains about, when a lot of that bad press would dry up if he wasn't so difficult towards journalists in the first place. That won't go down well on the caf, but that's the only real thing I hold against him. Still definitively the best manager in my life-time though - impossible for me to rate him against Busby, Clough and Shankly.
The only negative of Ferguson for me is the grudges he holds against journalists for no real reason, and blocks various people out of his press conferences. Then United receive a lot of negative press, which Ferguson complains about, when a lot of that bad press would dry up if he wasn't so difficult towards journalists in the first place. That won't go down well on the caf, but that's the only real thing I hold against him. Still definitively the best manager in my life-time though - impossible for me to rate him against Busby, Clough and Shankly.
I wish I was rich enough to buy that 'club' and turn Anfield into a giant car park.
that can't be for real, surely?Stubbins' diving header in the snow!
The hallowed ground.
I do agree that there are lot of decent posters there, and that it's often unfair when we refer to 'RAWKites' as a monolith. (Just imagine if Cal?'s opinions on Messi were known as 'the Caf's view on Messi'.)
I just can't agree that it's a given that the Caf would be that much worse should the fortunes be turned. If you're extrapolating from current behaviour, surely the Caftards deserve a bit more credit?
Regarding the 70s & 80s, I'm just glad we didn't have message boards back then, and so the really tinfoilhatty/vitriolic ones were isolated, and didn't find lots of mates to strengthen their bizarre world view.
Personally I never heard any conspiracy theories/'hope he breaks a leg'/'we're better than them just because we are The Anointed Ones' silliness, but that's probably because I only discussed United with my family/mates/people around us at OT in those days, and rarely visited pubs (too young).
Yeah fair enough, it might not be any worse or better. It's just we find it hard enough to give them credit where it's due even when they've been struggling, Istanbul aside, for decades...
Because he was about to be fecking mugged.
Liverpool is a dangerous place lads.
There is a sense of entitlement that Rawkites have that leads to all the hilarity. They'll be normal everyday folk offline.
It's not really though is it? Dangerous I mean? No more dangerous than Manchester is, in fact I'd hazard a guess less so. The majority of them that post on there are probably not scousers either.
"United have the luxury of a fully fit squad and City have a beast of a bench. We can't cope with two full backs out, which for a team with aspirations for the top four is quite disturbing"
when have United had a fully fit squad.
when have United had a fully fit squad.