RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

Evra really should apologise for his celebration in the most facetious way possible. Mention how happy he was to go back to the top of the table and the though of winning title number twenty.
 
Suarez was wrong not to shake hands after he said he would - the shit storm its caused is his fault - its shown the club in a bad light, him in a bad light and embarrassed the manager to the point he's apologised to Sky ffs -

If Kenny has done that he's done it himself I can't believe he's done so purely because the owners told him to - of the whole thing I dont think he had anything to apologise for unless its not knowing what happened and its a measure of the man that he' accepted responsibility for that - yes there was provocation for Dalglish and Suarez but life aint fair

there would have been no proposed handshake if Suarez hadn't agreed to it, no controversy, no debate - thats the bottom line - he misled the club and the club presumably misled United and the FA however much I dislike those two organisations it does not mean thats aceptable - we are bigger that that.

Liverpool have done what they should have, they've stood by Luis when they believed he was right and accepted their responsibility when he is wrong thats exactly what the club should do - its exactly what our fans should do - we should have learned our lesson by now - the growling and slagging of our own fans is disgraceful - we should take responsibility when its needed not hide behind conspiracy and paranoia or even worse run hiding from the truth - as a club we owe that to oursleves

those slagging the club for these statements need to take a long look at themselves - passion is great, blind fanaticism in anything isn't - the club, Kenny and Suarez can make this go whichever way they want become stronger or split apart , the knee jerking isn't likely to help the former but then shouting your mouth off is more important for some than the club.

lets use this to strengthen the club not to split us apart as some on here seem to want - we are, when all's said and done in this together aren't we?
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from RAWK -So not all scousers are idiots:smirk:
 
A handshake is more important than a cause
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I don't need to describe what happened. Frankly, I don't want to. I don't care. Really, I don't. I have better things to do with my life. I have assignments and studying to do, I probably need to go do some shopping later, maybe catch up with my family and see how they're getting on. My little sister's growing up, bless her. Doing her GCSEs.
In the world of football, there are more pressing matters. Does Stewart Downing have the mental fortitude to be a Liverpool player? Do we face another summer of transition and rebuilding? What will happen with the new stadium?
Even more important, what's happening with the coalition? Will they force through the NHS reform bill that everyone is opposed to? How will the chancellor propose to combat shrinking growth and unemployment? Is the country going to prosper in the next few decades and will we have the infrastructure to allow for that growth, if we're not investing now?

If you look at the news, you'd think that Luis Suarez killed Whitney Houston. Throughout history, there have been handshakes that resonated around the world. Genuinely important moments like the Middle Eastern peace process, when a handshake means a lot more than just two people agreeing or greeting each other. I'm sure you could spend an afternoon listing sporting handshakes that genuinely had a lasting impact but you would be hard pushed to justify the furore over yesterday's non-event.
Everyone remembers the fiasco between John Terry and Wayne Bridge but no one cares about it any more. No one brings it up and it would've probably be consigned to a Rory McGrath bloopers DVD available at every store of Poundland if it wasn't for yesterday.

The media, the fans and to a small extent the club are completely missing the point when trying to dissect who's at fault for the situation. It really doesn't matter, it's a fecking handshake designed to allow the Premier League to stamp more copyrighted material over their 'product'. That's what the anthem and the sign is for. So I don't care.

What I do care about is how racism has completely devolved into a political issue rather than a social cause. The head of FARE, Piara Powar, abuses a Liverpool fan on Twitter due to his ethnicity. Let me repeat: The head of an organisation tasked with fighting racism in football abuses a fan for his opinion, referring to his ethnicity. By Evra's own admission, he refers to Suarez' origin. Seemingly neither are in the wrong. Alex Ferguson and Gordon Taylor repeatedly refer to racism as being against 'black players'. Is that what it comes to? Is it only racist if you're abusing someone who is black?
The complete failure to address the cause looks to have roused a wave of people too stupid to be trusted to tie their own shoelaces in using racist language as a sort of anti-establishment movement, just like the copycat riots of last year. That too was a result of an inability of authorities to respond to an initial situation that - rightly or wrongly - had erupted and needed to be nipped in the bud. Instead, they stuck their heads in the sand until it was too late and all they could seemingly do was wait for the fire to burn itself out - sometimes literally.

John Barnes put it best when he said that 'we are not the custodians of moral values in the world'. Why are two football clubs expected to enact social change? Where are the equality organisations? Where is the FA? Where is the culture secretary, aside from casting ill advised opinions on Suarez despite the company he keeps? It doesn't have to be a tribal cause whatsoever. In fact, the FA should've been proactive and say 'look, no club is being singled out here, we just want to remind players, staff and fans about what is legal and what is acceptable in this country'. There was a real chance for organisations that do not get much attention to step forward and say 'we have contacted the clubs of the Premier League and will be running these programmes to promote racial equality in sport and in society'. The government, much maligned and derided, could've used it as an opportunity to really nullify anti-immigrant feeling by reminding the country how the sport - and nation - benefits from having a multi-cultural flavour.

Instead it's been an exercise in queuing up to take a pop at Suarez, the club and bask in the 'superiority' of English football. Instead, we've got fans and members of the press using it as a point scoring exercise, even dredging up Heysel once again, in an attempt to glean moral superiority. And instead we've got Alex Ferguson telling us what to do.

feck off. Seriously, just feck off. For all the flack the club, the player and Kenny have gotten, not a single institution has offered us any sort of assistance or a path of reconciliation. Instead, Ferguson said 'there's no need to do anything' before hastily changing his mind before an unexpected return to Anfield. The FA and other organisations seem to feel that the fight against racism is as complex as saying BAD DOG, BAD DOG. The press lecture is repeatedly lacking in awareness of the xenophobia attached to their posturing. We're simply told to bend over and take it until they're done and toss us off the bed to clean up. We're told to stop whinging, that we're always the victim and it's never our fault.

Here's some news for you. We're perfectly capable of being critical of our club. If you are appealing to right minded Liverpool fans, then you will already know that we're acutely aware of the problems surrounding the club. If you are preaching to the moronic element, what do you expect? They're morons. Just because we defend the club doesn't mean we agree with everything the club does. We defend the club because you're wrong and we don't like you.

Where were you after Hillsborough? Where have you been in the last 20 years when the families were repeatedly told that nothing could be done, and every single inch of progress has been fought by a collection of brave, determined and honest folk?
Where were you in 2005 when the FA decided the Champions of Europe didn't deserve to qualify for the competition they'd won, that fourth place was somehow a greater prize despite them supporting the opposite outcome the year before in the event Chelsea or Arsenal (how's that going, London press?) won it without finishing in the top 4?
Where were you when Hicks and Gillett bought the club and proceeded to siphon as much money as they could, trying to drain the life out of it?
Where were you when the club hoarded Champions League final tickets, depriving loyal fans the chance to see their club challenge for the highest honour in football?
Where were you when they began to stick the knife into a manager who, whether you like it or not, had the interests of the fans at heart?
Where were you when that manager had to put out fires all over L4 started by two men who are so disliked in their own country they can't even go to baseball games at their own ground.
Where were you when the manager you had campaigned to take over from Rafa Benitez was sending the club into the Championship?
Where were you when football clubs rammed the price of going to the match up, pricing out a large proportion of families who had a long history of following their club?
Where were you when football fans are still treated like criminals by police?

We really don't like you, in fact we fecking hate you. You claimed we didn't want to hear a bad word against our club, that you're bringing the truth. Why is it then that so many fans have taken to independent bloggers and writers affording genuine tactical insight and balanced critique of football matches? Why have so many people armed with small budgets and a bit of motivation forged careers for themselves on the internet?

Kenny Dalglish was told by a Sky Sports interviewer that he should indulge his questioning because 'that's what the fans want'. His response pretty much summed it up.

"I think we know what the fans want more than you do"

Whatever Kenny Dalglish might do in his life, whatever mistakes he might make, I would guarantee he gives more of a shit about Liverpool FC and its fans than the media.
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Incredible.
 
Reading RAWK, it finally finally finally finally finally looks like they finally finally "get it". Let's move on now.
 
Xander45 said:
If he can lie to a man who stood by him throughout all the allegations, then he could lie to anybody.
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exactly. combined with the interview midweek in uruguay I think it will start to hit home. I can actually see them turning on him now. mad as that sounds. he's hung kenny out to dry. I doubt he has much future at Liverpool
 
99% of RAWK at the moment.

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This latest meltdown has to rank with some of the best. Still photos to prove it was really Evra, and then turning on Kenny and Suarez for the apology!

They'll have nightmares tonight.
 
Xander45 said:
If he can lie to a man who stood by him throughout all the allegations, then he could lie to anybody.
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At first I thought just maybe Kenny was being lied to as well and just trying to be loyal.

But with Kuyt and Comolli changing their stories, and the early vilification of Evra, I'm sure he realized quickly that something was amiss, and the obvious answer is that he was lying.

That's what Kenny deserves for defending someone over racist language.
 
feel especially sorry for kenny. He doesn't need this fecking shite. All that he's done for this football club and he's been forced to eat shite from a trough out of fergusons arse
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we have to get our side of the story out.

Leave the tribuneral papers on a bus or something.

Evra has to be shown up for the lying c*nt he is.

They want to fight dirty, fine let's get dirty.

Hate football, love liverpool.
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what's the bets the mancs put a bid in for suarez end of the season? Just to rub it in a bit more.
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if this is how pr is going to have be to improve the club's brand worldwide, i'm just going to be left feeling disillusioned that we're appeasing to people who don't understand this club's traditions and beliefs at all just so they can give us a thumbs up.
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for me, weve come out of this looking better than them.


Rafa would have gone to war with this shit ohh i can only imagine him having a go at mr alex ferguson..
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hahahhhaha
 
I have to say, they are very respectful towards our manager. They always address him as "Mr." A nice touch.
 
This thread will hit 200 pages by the end of the season.

That comment about eating shite out of Fergie's arse was a gem :lol:
 
for me, weve come out of this looking better than them.


Rafa would have gone to war with this shit ohh i can only imagine him having a go at mr alex ferguson..
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:lol:

Rafa's recent wars:

Vs Massimo Moratti at Inter. Result: Lost
Vs FA (numerous perceived grievances). Result: Lost
Vs Mr. Ferguson. Result: Lost
Vs American owners. Result: Lost
Vs expanding waistline. Result: Lost


Yeah, he's a real General Patton all right.
 
De Selby said:
:lol:

Rafa's recent wars:

Vs Massimo Moratti at Inter. Result: Lost
Vs FA (numerous perceived grievances). Result: Lost
Vs Mr. Ferguson. Result: Lost
Vs American owners. Result: Lost
Vs expanding waistline. Result: Lost


Yeah, he's a real General Patton all right.
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:lol:
 
Seriously Can't believe people can be so deluded.

Was watching TV but then saw this thread ,switched off the TV and have been laughing aloud reading this thread and rawk for the last 45 mins.
 
De Selby said:
:lol:

Rafa's recent wars:

Vs Massimo Moratti at Inter. Result: Lost
Vs FA (numerous perceived grievances). Result: Lost
Vs Mr. Ferguson. Result: Lost
Vs American owners. Result: Lost
Vs expanding waistline. Result: Lost


Yeah, he's a real General Patton all right.
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:lol:
 
I've never seen Facebook so devoid of scousers.

Yesterday they were all posting the stills too, but today they are invisible!
 
Since when has this been sky's fault.

They seem to be brought into it since they had the audacity to televise yesterdays game!
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Claiming Evra is the one who refused to shake hands, now.

This is the picture they have to back it up :

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Apparently, it is very telling. :wenger::lol:
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I worried about this as i saw Evra's hand was in an unusually low position,
but having watched it many times the hand is still there and open. The key thing i looked for after i had observed Evra's hand, was how Suarez behaved. I am happy that regardless of Evra's low hand ( an open hand there to be shook) Suarez never appeared to make any attempt to offer his. The freeze frame is conveniently at a position where Suarez's hand is passing Evra on his way to DDG, giving the illusion it is offered to Evra. As I say, an open hand was still there to be shook.
 
Don't know where else to put this but it's from a RAWK post and it's class from Frimpong.

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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
I have just today realised Suarez is a total wasteman Clown


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Liverpool supporters saying Evra celebrated like he won the League..Am surprised They remember what that looks Like LOOOL #KingKenny


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Well done Suarez for apologising am sorry for calling u a wasteman Now u have made all the Liverpool Fans defending u look like the clowns!!!
 
RedSoul said:
I worried about this as i saw Evra's hand was in an unusually low position,
but having watched it many times the hand is still there and open. The key thing i looked for after i had observed Evra's hand, was how Suarez behaved. I am happy that regardless of Evra's low hand ( an open hand there to be shook) Suarez never appeared to make any attempt to offer his. The freeze frame is conveniently at a position where Suarez's hand is passing Evra on his way to DDG, giving the illusion it is offered to Evra. As I say, an open hand was still there to be shook.
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Glad you cleared that up...
 
RedSoul said:
I worried about this as i saw Evra's hand was in an unusually low position,
but having watched it many times the hand is still there and open. The key thing i looked for after i had observed Evra's hand, was how Suarez behaved. I am happy that regardless of Evra's low hand ( an open hand there to be shook) Suarez never appeared to make any attempt to offer his. The freeze frame is conveniently at a position where Suarez's hand is passing Evra on his way to DDG, giving the illusion it is offered to Evra. As I say, an open hand was still there to be shook.
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No eye contact from Suarez.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Don't know where else to put this but it's from a RAWK post and it's class from Frimpong.

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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
I have just today realised Suarez is a total wasteman Clown


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Liverpool supporters saying Evra celebrated like he won the League..Am surprised They remember what that looks Like LOOOL #KingKenny


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Well done Suarez for apologising am sorry for calling u a wasteman Now u have made all the Liverpool Fans defending u look like the clowns!!!
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Can you link to the rawk post? Curious to see their reactions!
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Don't know where else to put this but it's from a RAWK post and it's class from Frimpong.

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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
I have just today realised Suarez is a total wasteman Clown


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Liverpool supporters saying Evra celebrated like he won the League..Am surprised They remember what that looks Like LOOOL #KingKenny


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Frimpong26AFC Emmanuel Frimpong
Well done Suarez for apologising am sorry for calling u a wasteman Now u have made all the Liverpool Fans defending u look like the clowns!!!
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The last one is :lol:zzzzzzzz
 
The bottom line in particular explains why so many Liverpool fans have allowed their disappointment (after years of relative failure compared to United) to turn to bitterness & conspiracy theorising:

When I looked at the scene behind Kenny when we scored yesterday I could see all those fellers with suits on talking into walkie talkies, their faces dropped in pain. The 'organisation' was in full flow, communicating to feck knows who about who knows what. Like something in the CIA and FBI...the firm was watching.

Our lot by comparison looked like a bunch of fellers on a break from working nights in Jacobs. Is there anyone on our staff or in the boardroom who can sit down and create a baseline for how the club should be run. An example for me was the spate of thefts from players homes where it turned into a stereotypical joke about those robbing scousers etc. I mean we were busy with Champions League business then and yet no-one had the feckin nous to have a proper security regime in place if not to protect the players stuff but at least to protect the club's image etc.

The most successful club managed into decline through neglect
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