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I find it amuzing how they claim the league cup, the EL, Super cup and charity shield, are mickey mouse trophies, and some of them doesn't even count, but for some reason winning the Audi cup is a great achievement.
No, the AUDI cup became a mickey mouse cup after they lost despite going mental during the game. It's the Asia Cup that counts as a real cup. You know the one with Crystal Palace and Leicester?
 
I don't know why they have open threads it only encourages harmless discussion

From: Thread About the Footy Tomorrow - NO COUTINHO, NO TRANSFERS, NO PRESS CONFERENCES, NO KLOPP, PROBABLY NO FOOTY OF TOMORROW FAIRLY SOON...

Klopp looking quite uncomfortable and embarrassed when talking about how the transfer window ending at the start of a new season would have benefited us.

Can we have a thread without the transfer stuff? Plenty of threads in the relevant subforum for that.

well it's from todays press conference so.. Plus i'm banned from the subforum.
 
No, the AUDI cup became a mickey mouse cup after they lost despite going mental during the game. It's the Asia Cup that counts as a real cup. You know the one with Crystal Palace and Leicester?

Ah yeah, you're right.
Mixed the names.
 
From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.
 
From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.

Jesus christ :lol:
 
They were convinced that once Fergie retired they had a free ride back to the top and we'd end up in mid-table obscurity. Moyes coming in and us finishing 7th while they mounted a one off title charge just cemented that viewpoint.

However, since then, despite us still not returning to our Fergie-led best, we've won more trophies in the last two seasons than they have in their last twelve. They've not know how to react to this, which is why even among the more reasonable Liverpool fans, they're coming out with nonsense about average finishing positions, number of years finishing above United, and weirdly taking the piss out of the last two trophies they've won, as well as the Europa League, which they failed to win.

They've spent the last 25 years desperate for even the smallest piece of Premier League success, but have instead had to endure United dominating proceedings, with even Blackburn and Leicester getting a slice of the pie before them. They've spent the last 25 years absolutely convincing themselves that every coming season is their year to return to the top of the pile, only for many of those seasons to produce nothing but abject mediocrity as multiple teams leave them in their dust. They consoled themselves through the 90s and early 00s with cup wins, but they dried up 10 years ago, which is why they moved onto "net-spend this" and "golden glove that."

Klopp coming in was supposed to signal yet another return to the glory years, but after bottling two cups first time around, scraping 4th the second, and looking on the verge of losing his star player before the third has even really began, they need to lash out elsewhere.

They've spent 25 years celebrating league titles in August, only to be out of the race by January. They look at us now, and see a team that maybe, just maybe, is starting to come together, under one of the most decorated managers still in the game. They've gone from 100% certainty that we were finished once Fergie retired, and 100% certainty that they were going to fill the void, to four seasons later, where we've won three major trophies to their zero and are potentially finally beginning to click, while their progress has been marginal at best.

With that in mind, it's quite easy to see why they think we're acting as if the title is wrapped up already, because it's exactly how they'd behave in our situation. It's far easier for them to project their boom-bust-cycle onto us, than face the reality that their balloon has burst before it was even inflated properly.

As you've said, United fans claiming league titles already are few and far between. Most, if not all that I've come across are tentatively optimistic about some form of title challenge this season, and even then a lot of that is born through rose-tinted expectation than reasoned appraisal of the strength of our opponents.

We've started well, and we've started better than them, but there's a very long way to go yet and there are more teams than Liverpool to be worrying about. We can leave them to their belief that we're still playing turgidly boring, negative football week in week out, and they can keep pretending that shipping three goals to relegation battlers is entertaining, and hopefully come May, we'll be in the title mix and they'll be bemoaning bad luck and refereeing decisions as an excuse for them being 6th.


It was never going to be a free ride; however, with Suarez and BR's team finally beginning to gel, there was a window of opportunity. That opportunity became optimism once David Moyes started to fail and as you mentioned we mounted a challenge. We sold Suarez to Barca and had a lot of cash to spend. In order for us to close the gap, we needed a strong transfer window. We courted Alexis Sanchez, he chose London. We then spent money on average players that didn't even keep us on par of team that challenged for the title.

BR left, in came Klopp. Supposed to fit in with FSG's strategy of taking the club forward. For once, it seemed that a manager who was capable of achieving the FSG model of developing talent instead of buying quality. That approach has lead to our best players leaving for greener pastures, while our closest rivals continue to buy quality and get better and better. We, on the other hand, have had two summers to deal with the frailties of our defense and have yet to address it. We played Lucas and Klavan in Central Defense, while a French International in the squad sits on the bench.

This summer was supposed to be a massive summer for us. We have a chance to make it to the Champions League and what we needed was a statement of intent from the owners and the manager that showed we care enough to stay there long term. There is something fundamentally dysfunctional. Whether it is at the ownership level, the management level or a combination, only people behind the scenes know. We have been courting targets this summer and have gone a very wrong way about it while others have quietly gone and done their business. Our best player seems to be on the verge of leaving and we still don't have any sort of replacement lined up.

It seems our team will be good going forward and scoring goals, but you have to ensure the other team scores 1 less than you, else it doesn't matter! Ever since Steve Clarke left the backroom staff, we have not had a solid defense (post-Rafa / Pako mind you). In addition, there was Jamie Carragher who didn't mind grabbing someone and shouting in their face. I don't see that in today's team.

Man Utd signed Lukaku, who was easily one of the best strikers in the PL. You play him around better players and the results are going to be obvious. Our best striker can't last a sub appearance without hurting himself. The comparisons/contrasts can go on forever and you can really pick ANY topic and beat a dead horse to prove your point the fact is, until the glaring fundamental dysfunctionality if fixed at LFC, I, unfortunately, see the gap widening over time and sadly makes me wait more and more to see us win a trophy. And as far as the referring decisions/excuses go, let's not open a can of worms as we all know your beloved manager has spent considerable time in the stands bemoaning referees and giving multiple excuses when it suits him :D

As I said, we can pick anything and keep going in circles :)

Cheers
 
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From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.

:lol::lol:
 
It was never going to be a free ride; however, with Suarez and BR's team finally beginning to gel, there was a window of opportunity. That opportunity became optimism once David Moyes started to fail and as you mentioned we mounted a challenge. We sold Suarez to Barca and had a lot of cash to spend. In order for us to close the gap, we needed a strong transfer window. We courted Alexis Sanchez, he chose London. We then spent money on average players that didn't even keep us on par of team that challenged for the title.

BR left, in came Klopp. Supposed to fit in with FSG's strategy of taking the club forward. For once, it seemed that a manager who was capable of achieving the FSG model of developing talent instead of buying quality. That approach has lead to our best players leaving for greener pastures, while our closest rivals continue to buy quality and get better and better. We, on the other hand, have had two summers to deal with the frailties of our defense and have yet to address it. We played Lucas and Klavan in Central Defense, while a French International in the squad sits on the bench.

This summer was supposed to be a massive summer for us. We have a chance to make it to the Champions League and what we needed was a statement of intent from the owners and the manager that showed we care enough to stay there long term. There is something fundamentally dysfunctional. Whether it is at the ownership level, the management level or a combination, only people behind the scenes know. We have been courting targets this summer and have gone a very wrong way about it while others have quietly gone and done their business. Our best player seems to be on the verge of leaving and we still don't have any sort of replacement lined up.

It seems our team will be good going forward and scoring goals, but you have to ensure the other team scores 1 less than you, else it doesn't matter! Ever since Steve Clarke left the backroom staff, we have not had a solid defense (post-Rafa / Pako mind you). In addition, there was Jamie Carragher who didn't mind grabbing someone and shouting in their face. I don't see that in today's team.

Man Utd signed Lukaku, who was easily one of the best strikers in the PL. You play him around better players and the results are going to be obvious. Our best striker can't last a sub appearance without hurting himself. The comparisons/contrasts can go on forever and you can really pick ANY topic and beat a dead horse to prove your point the fact is, until the glaring fundamental dysfunctionality if fixed at LFC, I, unfortunately, see the gap widening over time and sadly makes me wait more and more to see us win a trophy. And as far as the referring decisions/excuses go, let's not open a can of worms as we all know your beloved manager has spent considerable time in the stands bemoaning referees and giving multiple excuses when it suits him :D

As I said, we can pick anything and keep going in circles :)

Cheers


To fair, I do not understand how any club or manager convinces themselves to rely on Daniel Sturridge.

He is another Kieron Dier/Anderton/Woodgate/Hargreaves.

He will NEVER be fit, but there will always be some clown out there that convinces themselves they are the one to cure his problems. He will have a brief patch where he is available for a couple of months and he will be lauded "it's like having a new signing" before he stubs his toe and is out for a month.

Then it turns septic and it becomes 3 months.


Then he has a headache and he is out for the season.
 
From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.

Be carefull you'll get the "you don't understand it, it's a good system" crowd hounding you on your lack of intelligence which prohibits you from understanding the brilliance of it...
 
Yes. Top row, 3rd from right. Don't tell me, you just noticed that today!
:lol:Only just seen that now and I must have watched that gif about a zillion times.
 
I find it amuzing how they claim the league cup, the EL, Super cup and charity shield, are mickey mouse trophies, and some of them doesn't even count, but for some reason winning the Audi cup is a great achievement.
It would have been the first time they'd gotten something from Audi that they didn't have to steal
 
From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.
So you actually get points for conceding goals:wenger:
 
I can never get enough from the man rising from the grave. :lol: It's perfect. Although I'm still a bit concerned about the man having a stroke, that doesn't look healthy.

If you're talking about the guy on the right of the bloke in a green jacket, I'm pretty sure he has a visible disability.
 
It was never going to be a free ride; however, with Suarez and BR's team finally beginning to gel, there was a window of opportunity. That opportunity became optimism once David Moyes started to fail and as you mentioned we mounted a challenge. We sold Suarez to Barca and had a lot of cash to spend. In order for us to close the gap, we needed a strong transfer window. We courted Alexis Sanchez, he chose London. We then spent money on average players that didn't even keep us on par of team that challenged for the title.

BR left, in came Klopp. Supposed to fit in with FSG's strategy of taking the club forward. For once, it seemed that a manager who was capable of achieving the FSG model of developing talent instead of buying quality. That approach has lead to our best players leaving for greener pastures, while our closest rivals continue to buy quality and get better and better. We, on the other hand, have had two summers to deal with the frailties of our defense and have yet to address it. We played Lucas and Klavan in Central Defense, while a French International in the squad sits on the bench.

This summer was supposed to be a massive summer for us. We have a chance to make it to the Champions League and what we needed was a statement of intent from the owners and the manager that showed we care enough to stay there long term. There is something fundamentally dysfunctional. Whether it is at the ownership level, the management level or a combination, only people behind the scenes know. We have been courting targets this summer and have gone a very wrong way about it while others have quietly gone and done their business. Our best player seems to be on the verge of leaving and we still don't have any sort of replacement lined up.

It seems our team will be good going forward and scoring goals, but you have to ensure the other team scores 1 less than you, else it doesn't matter! Ever since Steve Clarke left the backroom staff, we have not had a solid defense (post-Rafa / Pako mind you). In addition, there was Jamie Carragher who didn't mind grabbing someone and shouting in their face. I don't see that in today's team.

Man Utd signed Lukaku, who was easily one of the best strikers in the PL. You play him around better players and the results are going to be obvious. Our best striker can't last a sub appearance without hurting himself. The comparisons/contrasts can go on forever and you can really pick ANY topic and beat a dead horse to prove your point the fact is, until the glaring fundamental dysfunctionality if fixed at LFC, I, unfortunately, see the gap widening over time and sadly makes me wait more and more to see us win a trophy. And as far as the referring decisions/excuses go, let's not open a can of worms as we all know your beloved manager has spent considerable time in the stands bemoaning referees and giving multiple excuses when it suits him :D

As I said, we can pick anything and keep going in circles :)

Cheers

What all the scousers just really cant seem to understand is, FSG is a business. They bought you to make money, simple as that. The plan is to stay one of the top 8 in the league, wait 10 years, make a massive profit and then sell. They really dont care about winning stuff. Its clear to everyone else, but not your fans. They laugh at little Southampton for following the exact same plan! As long as you stay a high profile club, they improve the commercial side etc then they make millions in dividends over the years, and the club increase in value 10 fold. Thats the plan, and its working

You are too far behind the giants of the game in income, commercial set up, stadiums, scouting and training set up already to ever really catch up now as well. They know that. Why would they spend £500m (probably nowhere near enough imho) over 2 seasons for example to make the team better, to MAYBE finish higher in the league and/or win a cup? The rewards would never return on the investment with the turnover that you have

The only teams that can do that are ones that are already making massive profits and turnover, so can spend more and have more fans worldwide ie MU, Real, Barca etc or ones with owners so rich that the club is just a fun plaything for them, ie City, PSG, RB etc. Also ones where you have a great Management set up that may have money in the background if needed, ie Chelsea, Spurs etc

Now getting the rich owner option is really the only one left open to you same as the City set up. Something all your fans say they would hate and abuse other teams for being run that way. We all know if this happened you would love it! Nothing wrong when its you that benefits. But, you have owners that are seeing profits long term, more TV money as well, and never ending growth in the clubs worth. They wont be selling for many years, so this wont happen

Even team like Southampton and Everton are getting richer than you potentially, and spending more on the set up etc. Give them 3-5 years and there is a chance they will be looking down on you!

Liverpool missed the boat when the PL started as most of you are aware, the best team in the world at the time and could pick any player they wanted. But opportunity missed that will never come again and like I said you are too far behind now to catch up

You will stay a higher mid-table team in the medium term unless they sell to a Plaything owner, and when you start becoming just a mid-table team that is when they will sell for the most profit. Then hopefully for you, you get a rich owner who would have to spend literally billions to become even a top 6 team again
 
What all the scousers just really cant seem to understand is, FSG is a business. They bought you to make money, simple as that. The plan is to stay one of the top 8 in the league, wait 10 years, make a massive profit and then sell. They really dont care about winning stuff. Its clear to everyone else, but not your fans. They laugh at little Southampton for following the exact same plan! As long as you stay a high profile club, they improve the commercial side etc then they make millions in dividends over the years, and the club increase in value 10 fold. Thats the plan, and its working

You are too far behind the giants of the game in income, commercial set up, stadiums, scouting and training set up already to ever really catch up now as well. They know that. Why would they spend £500m (probably nowhere near enough imho) over 2 seasons for example to make the team better, to MAYBE finish higher in the league and/or win a cup? The rewards would never return on the investment with the turnover that you have

The only teams that can do that are ones that are already making massive profits and turnover, so can spend more and have more fans worldwide ie MU, Real, Barca etc or ones with owners so rich that the club is just a fun plaything for them, ie City, PSG, RB etc. Also ones where you have a great Management set up that may have money in the background if needed, ie Chelsea, Spurs etc

Now getting the rich owner option is really the only one left open to you same as the City set up. Something all your fans say they would hate and abuse other teams for being run that way. We all know if this happened you would love it! Nothing wrong when its you that benefits. But, you have owners that are seeing profits long term, more TV money as well, and never ending growth in the clubs worth. They wont be selling for many years, so this wont happen

Even team like Southampton and Everton are getting richer than you potentially, and spending more on the set up etc. Give them 3-5 years and there is a chance they will be looking down on you!

Liverpool missed the boat when the PL started as most of you are aware, the best team in the world at the time and could pick any player they wanted. But opportunity missed that will never come again and like I said you are too far behind now to catch up

You will stay a higher mid-table team in the medium term unless they sell to a Plaything owner, and when you start becoming just a mid-table team that is when they will sell for the most profit. Then hopefully for you, you get a rich owner who would have to spend literally billions to become even a top 6 team again
Take the serious chat outta here. This is for fun

@Snowjoe can back me up on this....
 
From Football 365

Change the rules to make Liverpool good again…
So, Man City, United and Spurs concede no goals. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea concede three each. That’s the first three places in the league confirmed then.

Which leads me to a conclusion – there’s a basic flaw in football. Primarily, football is a form of entertainment. Goals are the pinnacle of that entertainment, and yet the teams that generally top the league are those that are best at denying the opposition from scoring, thereby diminishing the entertainment. Obviously they have to score themselves, but you only have to look at my Liverpool on a fairly regular basis to see that that’s not enough to win.

So I have a new, radical way of rewarding teams – goals per match, plus goals scored. After the first week the table looks like this:

Arsenal 11 (7+4)
Leicester 10 (7+3)
Liverpool 9 (6+3)
Watford 9 (6+3)
Man Utd 8 (4+4)
Burnley 8 (5+3)
Chelsea 7 (5+2) etc

Call it bonkers if you want, and there are major flaws which would need tweaking (e.g. You get more points for winning 3-2 than for winning 3-0, in fact you get more points for losing 3-2 than winning 3-0! Sorry, Huddersfield.)

So, yeah, it is bonkers. But it’d be more entertaining, wouldn’t it?
Simon, LFC, Abu Dhabi (Plan B – eliminate corners. We’d concede a lot less goals!)

Yet another Alt PL Table.

I quite like this table :p
 
On the Watford game:

RAWK said:
Why do the Fates conspire against us?
FFS. Even I'm not that melodramatic...
 
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