Rasmus Hojlund (Out)

friendlytramp said:
Would benefit from a loan next season if we can bring in an experienced journeyman now and then Gyokeres or another top class striker in the Summer
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Nah. Cut our loss.

A year on load and before you know it it's contract renewal time.

We're playing with 1 striker system, 2 is plenty. If he can't at least achieve a "good backup" status on merit then just sell him while he has some value.

He might come good or not is not the question since we dont have the luxury to wait for him for if and when he comes good.

And let's face it, even at 99% best case scenario i doubt his best will be good enough for top 4 clubs, and that's assuming he improves on many aspect magically
 
friendlytramp said:
Would benefit from a loan next season if we can bring in an experienced journeyman now and then Gyokeres or another top class striker in the Summer
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He would benefit from being sold. He's not cut out for this level, at this stage at least (Though I personally don't think he ever will be), and this is not doing his confidence any favors. If he goes on loan then that's 3 years into his United career, at which point we need to consider either renewing him or selling him, and next year we will get much less money than we would this year.
 
I think he has gained too much weight and muscle. Seems to have lost some speed and finesse.

He has a good record in the CL and Europa so I reckon he is just struggling in the PL than being a completely poor player that won't do well in other leagues.

I can see him really doing well in Bundesliga where there is so many defensive high lines for him to run in to.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
I think he has gained too much weight and muscle. Seems to have lost some speed and finesse.

He has a good record in the CL and Europa so I reckon he is just struggling in the PL than being a completely poor player that won't do well in other leagues.

I can see him really doing well in Bundesliga where there is so many defensive high lines for him to run in to.
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He doesn’t seem do a lot with it because he loses 99% of his tussles with defenders which usually leaves him sat on his arse.

Not good enough and never will be.

Get rid ASAP.
 
I don’t know if the problems with his game go away with time. His natural movement and technical game seems very sub par for this level. Big decision this summer regarding him and Zirkzee.
 
Such a shame where we are seeing progress in lots of places our striker position shoes no promise whatsoever. It's not even like he's missing loads of chancea there's just nothing happening.
 
Stíll think there is a player there but he needs to get some goals, I thought he did better yesterday and should have at least had an assist if Kobbie didn't pass it up to row Z.
 
Hojlund is definitely out worst strikers, we would play better with 10 men.
 
arthurka said:
Stíll think there is a player there but he needs to get some goals, I thought he did better yesterday and should have at least had an assist if Kobbie didn't pass it up to row Z.
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Yeah yesterday was an improvement, does seem he is better in European games than domestic
 
Just in the last two games, he has crashed chances for Garnacho and Kobbie which should have resulted in goals and he would have had 2 assists in his last 2 games. That could have done wonders for his confidence. He obviously needs to improve but we are not helping him
 
RedEarth said:
My thoughts exactly. We'd have to promise to give him at least one pass or cross this time though. The only six foot twelvety striker who never saw a ball over. He was never as:bad as people made out.
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At scoring goals he was
 
You know you can't just get rid of all your players right? Look at the idiotic moves we've made to get rid of good players who would have helped us:

Garner
Alvaro
Elanga
McTominay

As long as the players are young, cheap, and on long term deals it's stupid to sell.
 
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Pretty damning for Højlund wouldn't be surprised if we need to bring someone else in next season
 
Footyislife said:
You know you can't just get rid of all your players right? Look at the idiotic moves we've made to get rid of good players who would have helped us:

Garner
Alvaro
Elanga
McTominay

As long as the players are young, cheap, and on long term deals it's stupid to sell.
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These sales were forced on the club by PSR requirements, selling Academy players is the only thing that's kept us from points deductions. It's a shitty system but all clubs are being forced into sale they don't want.
 
gaffs said:
Can't believe he has an Out thread. :lol:
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There’s nothing crazy about it. He’s cost us 70m and has been dreadful this season. Every player who is proving to be below the level required should be available for sale at the right price.
 
This is the biggest thing Rueben needs an answer for during the rest of the season and why it was imperative to get a LWB during the window.

We need to know if Rasmus can be part of the answer at no 9 or not. Not on his own granted, but Rueben needs to try to reprogram him. He has shown that given the good xG he can put them away, but his runs have deteriorated and he's just not getting/making the chances.

We now have three weeks without any midweek fixtures and I'd expect Dorgu to be playing hopefully for the FA cup game and beyond. If we can play in these games like the EL game with Dorgu and the 10s crashing the box hopefully that makes more room for Rasmus. I'm sure in the next few weeks Rueben is planning a lot of extra Hojlund work on the training pitch.
 
TheNewEra said:
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Pretty damning for Højlund wouldn't be surprised if we need to bring someone else in next season
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What is expected threat - Hojlund seems to be doing as good (or as bad) as Haaland. Would be keen to see what it looks like if we can include 2023-2024.
 
Tallis said:
What is expected threat - Hojlund seems to be doing as good (or as bad) as Haaland. Would be keen to see what it looks like if we can include 2023-2024.
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copy/pasted from statsbomb website:

Expected Threat (xT) is calculated by laying a 'value surface' over a football pitch to divide it into zones, where each zone has a value assigned to it based on how likely a goal is to be scored from that zone. Players can then be credited for moving the ball from zone to zone. It was first introduced by Karun Singh in 2018, and is arguably the most known possession value model in the industry. However, it only values actions that move the ball from zone to zone, such as passes and carries, excluding defensive actions and shots. It is also typically implemented on limited event data, ignoring factors such as whether the player was under pressure or not when making the action.​

 
If we had 1-2 proper strikers I feel he’d need a loan for the rest of the season, perhaps even the next.

Not sure he’s fit to deal with the expectations of playing for us right now. Can’t blame Amorims system either, as we’ve all seen he just can’t even deal with the basics in hold up play.
 
daba said:
Pretty much the left section of the grid is where the strikers are, only anomaly is Isak on his own to the right of that cluster.
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Good spot! Just goes to show how different working through the middle is, and, as you say, how much more impressive and anomalous Isak is.
 
Whilst I am not disputing where Hojland (or Salah) sit on this chart ….. it’s a nonsense stat made up by someone who probably couldn’t tell Van Basten from Shaun Goater …. I much prefer the eye test …. And Hojlund isn’t covering himself in glory this season
 
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