Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United

[Enigma_87]

You'll be disappointed I assure you. Especially if he lights up Serie A

Not really. He's a bad apple in the dressing room and based on the talent alone he isn't worth the hassle.

Apart from the obvious he hasn't played in two years and it will be Atalanta taking the punt here if they buy him.

 

[golden_blunder]

Loan would be conditional upon Hojlund transfer, certainly. Otherwise we can just play Greenwood himself

Whatever your opinion of what happened this is a bit of a naive opinion that he can come straight back in. Leaving aside sponsors objecting, he hasn’t played football in over 18 months and hasn’t trained aside from personal training. You can’t expect him to hit the ground running

 

[DJ_21]

Things moving in a positive direction. Think he’ll handle the prem quite well to be honest.

 

[golden_blunder]

Why are people worried about MG performing well elsewhere? The guy is an utter cnut. Do some want him playing here still?

Seems like 50% of the fans do, at least online ones

 

[Mainoldo]

They get the better player. Anything over £30m Is robbery.

 

[golden_blunder]

Re MG, derail thread abit but want to know the differences between MG events and compare it with like killing someone (not condone it).
Why many posters dont want to give him second chance, many even want to mke him leave the game cometely. Is it view as worse than murder in English culture for someone to b..t w.mam like he did. Not condone it, just curious of the culture.

What a silly question

 

[zaafi]

All have dominated their starter leagues (or however you want to call it). Tchouameni was the best midfielder in Ligue 1 before he moved, Bellingham has been playing first team football in a very competitive league in probably the least forgiving position for a youngster since he was 16 and Rice is obviously a dominant midfielder in the PL. Mudryk is the only one of that list that might have needed more scouting and was way overpriced but even he had shown exceptional promise at CL level for Shakhtar. Hojlund looks very good but he is in his first season at a top five club and he isn't a starter at 20 and his goals/90 are good for a 20 year old. I don't think it's slander to say he's not in the same league as the biggest dead certs as the others. I think you would say that most of the other players were as close to no risk as you can get. Hard price to live up to but you could be confident that they would perform and with Hojlund you don't have that certainty as he's doing well but not shooting the lights out in an inferior league and that's why price point is important with this transfer. Development isn't linear but most of the world's elite strikers are high volume scorers from a young age (Kane an obvious exception).

Good points.

I have to ask though. What do you mean by Kane being an exception of the elite strikers that are high volume scorers from a young age?
Kane at 21 years of age scored 21 PL goals and has scored 20+ ever since in the PL except three seasons where he scored 17, 18 and 17 again.

 

[Mainoldo]

He has 2 more years on his contract. So for club it would be the best that he plays great there and we get a decent fee for him next year.
As a person he is a sick cnut. As a player he is an asset worth 50 mil (if he returns in his old form).

Would you be supportive of him going to Arsenal or Chelsea for £50m?

 

[KobbieMainoo]

I think he's finished at United, but a year on loan gives us a chance to make a market for his permanent transfer.

Either way, it will be good to get rid of him for at least a year as it's just an unnecessary distraction otherwise.

Thankfully you're not in charge. Common sense should hopefully prevail.

He should not get a life punishment for something so innocuous.

 

[Red in STL]

Why are people worried about MG performing well elsewhere? The guy is an utter cnut. Do some want him playing here still?

Half the CAF are utter cnuts as well, do we want them posting on here?

 

[Blood Mage]

Doesn’t half make me chuckle the attitude of some people in here. Is it so bad that we’re going after a raw talent that has awesome potential and solid attributes? We get slated every season for only scouting “ready made players”. Look at the players we’ve missed out on just because they weren’t “established” or “ready made”…Caicedo being the most recent.

What happens if a team like Brighton or Villa snap up Hojlund and turn him in to a monster, we go back in for him for 100m?

People are concerned about the price tag for such a raw player which is understandable? Nobody is denying that he's talented but our recent expensive gambles haven't exactly turned out so great.

 

[DJ_21]

If we’re thinking of loaning Greenwood to Atalanta then we must put in that he can be recalled. Don’t fancy us going into January needing another forward player incase anyone in the front line is injured or out of form.

 

[Remember the geese]

Re MG, derail thread abit but want to know the differences between MG events and compare it with like killing someone (not condone it).
Why many posters dont want to give him second chance, many even want to mke him leave the game cometely. Is it view as worse than murder in English culture for someone to b..t w.mam like he did. Not condone it, just curious of the culture.

Not viewed as worse than murder. People are just very unforgiving arseholes is the sad truth.

 

[united_99]

We have invested in him and have also been paying his wages all the time in which he has not kicked a ball for us. And as the charges have been dropped legally we can’t even demand the wages back.
So regardless of personal opinions if he should play for us again or not, the club 100% deserves the best possible financial outcome. And selling him now would not be of financial benefit. However if the loan is successful some club will buy him for a good enough fee if United don’t want him back.

 

[Enigma_87]

They get the better player. Anything over £30m Is robbery.

Better talent doesn't always equal the better player. Ravel was looking world class talent at some point and look how his career finished.

 

[OsloRed]

If we’re thinking of loaning Greenwood to Atalanta then we must put in that he can be recalled. Don’t fancy us going into January needing another forward player incase anyone in the front line is injured or out of form.

We must not. I'll be negatively surprised if he ever plays for us again.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

He has 2 more years on his contract. So for club it would be the best that he plays great there and we get a decent fee for him next year.
As a person he is a sick cnut. As a player he is an asset worth 50 mil (if he returns in his old form).

The context behind them being worried is more that United miss out on him playing here. They don’t care about what’s gone on because of no morals.

 

[golden_blunder]

Thankfully you're not in charge. Common sense should hopefully prevail.

He should not get a life punishment for something so innocuous.

Wow

 

[cpresc]

They get the better player. Anything over £30m Is robbery.

and we get the better human

 

[Mainoldo]

Better talent doesn't always equal the better player. Ravel was looking world class talent at some point and look how his career finished.

Ravel Morrison didn’t play more than 10 professional games for Manchester United.

I get your point but this isn’t true for this circumstance. Greenwood has champions league goals.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

Half the CAF are utter cnuts as well, do we want them posting on here?

I don’t particularly want to engage with fans who are willing to overlook what’s happened. But I’ll gladly ignore them should they continue with that attitude. They’re entitled to that opinion at the end of the day.

 

[DJ_21]

People are concerned about the price tag for such a raw player which is understandable? Nobody is denying that he's talented but our recent expensive gambles haven't exactly turned out so great.

I think we should do what we did with Martial, wasn’t it like 36m but could rise to something like 55 if he wins the Ballon d’or. And other add ons. It’s a win-win with something like that, if you end up paying the full amount then it means he has done well.

 

[Alemar]

Leaving aside sponsors objecting, he hasn’t played football in over 18 months and hasn’t trained aside from personal training. You can’t expect him to hit the ground running

if we put non-football matters aside, it is purely on merit - those who are better get more playing time. If he is not ready he wouldn’t be played on merit by ETH.

 

[Mainoldo]

and we get the better human

Do you know the kid we are getting? Don’t commit. It’s throwing stones at glass houses.

We just hope in general we live amongst good people.

 

[Enigma_87]

Re MG, derail thread abit but want to know the differences between MG events and compare it with like killing someone (not condone it).
Why many posters dont want to give him second chance, many even want to mke him leave the game cometely. Is it view as worse than murder in English culture for someone to b..t w.mam like he did. Not condone it, just curious of the culture.

It's not the act itself. There are numerous reports of him acting like a cnut in the dressing room as well. He just seems like an individual talent with lots of bad traits. Whilst that might work in a smaller team playing in a big team with all that baggage is really not worth it.

Being able to cash in on him and get another player that we want for small fee is a win win situation.

 

[KobbieMainoo]

Wow

Explain to me what he actually did and maybe I'll understand the wow?

It was 6am on a Sunday morning when the girl in question posted the stuff and you're just gonna believe her?

 

[Enigma_87]

Ravel Morrison didn’t play more than 10 professional games for Manchester United.

I get your point but this isn’t true for this circumstance. Greenwood has champions league goals.

So does Martial and other examples. Greenwood doesn't strike me with the type of personality that is required to succeed at the highest level.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

Wow

You wonder how these posters would react if something as “innocuous” happened to a woman in their life. Its a fecking disgusting take.

 

[Red in STL]

I don’t particularly want to engage with fans who are willing to overlook what’s happened. But I’ll gladly ignore them should they continue with that attitude. They’re entitled to that opinion at the end of the day.

Well I'm one of the on the fence people, I don't know all the details so I'm not going to judge someone until I do

 

[DJ_21]

We must not. I'll be negatively surprised if he ever plays for us again.

If the plan is to loan him then play him next season bringing him back a few months earlier won’t do any harm. I’m not bothered either way personally, if we get rid of him I’m happy and if we decide to keep him I’m not too bothered. We’ve coped without him and will continue to grow without him.

 

[klsv]

Thankfully you're not in charge. Common sense should hopefully prevail.

He should not get a life punishment for something so innocuous.

Is this cnut banned now?

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

Well I'm one of the on the fence people, I don't know all the details so I'm not going to judge someone until I do

Genuine question. Would you be as forgiving of a city player if audio was leaked of what was going on? Or is it a case of benefit of the doubt cause he plays for us?

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

This is the issue about not having a thread for Greenwood. This rumour has given people license to just go ham about him in this thread now.

I’m all for shipping him out on loan as part of Hojlund deal if it meant we don’t see him in our shirt.

 

[Mainoldo]

So does Martial and other examples. Greenwood doesn't strike me with the type of personality that is required to succeed at the highest level.

But he’s already made it at the highest level. Was you saying this 18 months ago? If so fine. If you wasn’t then I can’t believe you are genuine right now.

Martial was a high level performer. He didn’t kick on and injures have ruined him recently. But doesn’t steer from my original point.

 

[golden_blunder]

if we put non-football matters aside, it is purely on merit - those who are better get more playing time. If he is not ready he wouldn’t be played on merit by ETH.

He hasn’t trained with the team in almost 2 years so how would ETH know? This loan would be the best thing for him

 

[L1nk]

Thankfully you're not in charge. Common sense should hopefully prevail.

He should not get a life punishment for something so innocuous.

The worst take i’ve ever seen on this forum wow.

It’s not even about whether he should get a second chance to play football or not, we just don’t want that chance to be at United so he can go elsewhere and someone else can choose whether they want to do that or not.

Some of you are into the sport of Football so much that the thought of a few goals from a good player far exceeds that of what they’ve done. I will never understand this mindset, it’s just a game at the end of the day.

 

[golden_blunder]

Explain to me what he actually did and maybe I'll understand the wow?

It was 6am on a Sunday morning when the girl in question posted the stuff and you're just gonna believe her?

Double wow.

 

[GreatDane]

Thankfully you're not in charge. Common sense should hopefully prevail.

He should not get a life punishment for something so innocuous.

Boys will be boys right?
What a shit post.

 

[Alemar]

He hasn’t trained with the team in almost 2 years so how would ETH know? This loan would be the best thing for him

This makes a lot of sense, sure

 

[Mainoldo]

He hasn’t trained with the team in almost 2 years so how would ETH know? This loan would be the best thing for him

Eitherway it will be sticky as I can’t see him being loaned out with out a business decision of an extra year on his contract being triggered. If they have that option already.. I suppose they are fine.