Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United

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bosnian_red said:
It's good news of course, but man that guy really fecked us didn't he. Him being a twat essentially forced us to spend £82mil on a lesser prospect at RW and now the 50m on what is unlikely to be as good a prospect at CF. Such a shame. But will be good to put the chapter to a close .. assuming it's more than a loan.
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You should really count one of the two fees right? We would have still gotten a RW or CF regardless most likely.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah that's a mental take,however Toney is banned until January so can't wait that long
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I've said I'd rather buy Toney for January and then sign Zaha on a free and get through to Jan with Zaha, Garnacho, Rashford, Martial, Antony and Amad (and whatever happens with Sancho).

I really don't see a guarantee that Hoijlund hits the ground running to the extent that we'd be any better off for those 3 months. We'd then have pretty much a sure thing in Toney who I think is brilliant and a near perfect fit for Ten Hag. Plus a brilliant winger in Zaha who can actually beat a man regularly.

Not happening though so ho hum.
 
NLunited said:
Let that be an important lesson: attitude and workrate are valued higher than talent.

Every player we sign should have those attributes, because they are essential.
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Ideally we'd want both. But I'd always take attitude, work rate and mentality over a lazy but technically superior player. Park over Pogba, Valencia over Sanchez/Sancho etc.

Signing mentally weak and lazy players has fecked us over for years
 
Alemar said:
Straight swap would of course be an ideal solution here
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Surely we'd be wanting some money in return. If they've decided they only care about him as a player rather than as a person then him as a player must be worth nearly double Hoijlund.
 
Strelok said:
You didn't understand what I said. I said to play as a #9 you'd need to be extremely fast. Or strong enough. As we agree he's not strong enough yet so he'd need to be extremely fast. Problem here is he has some decent pace but definitely not extremely fast. He's simply not ready yet for the PL atm imo.

And under ETH we have moved from counter attacking football to possession based football. In this new system for a #9 pace is not really important anymore but he has to be at least able to hold the ball under pressure, can pass and bring the other forwards into the play and outmuscle the defenders to get into the position to score. And of course know how to finish. That's why despite having almost no pace Kane is perfect for ETH.

It's not easy as you say put him in the gym and he'd get strong as an ox in no time. And you gotta balance your weight, your agility and your pace. It's very rare to find a striker who is tall, big, strong and also fast. That's why despite having a pretty shit first touch Haaland is still a monster.

Hojlund might get bigger in the gym but not surely stronger. For example Lukaku looked like a beast when he was 15 yo and everyone thought he'd become the next Drogba. I'm sure he hit the gym as well but if you watched him when he was with us you'd know despite looking huge he got bullied all the time by the PL defenders and always lost the ball being challenged by them. And Hojlund so far has proved his hold up is ok in the Serie A only. Where Lukaku could pretty much bully the defenders there. The PL is simply much more physical and difficult.

I really hope developing a top #9 would be simple and easy as you said but unfortunately it's not.
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We haven‘t changed into a possession style team though haven‘t we? We press hard, try to force turn-overs and try to progress the ball quickly.

Based on last season Hojlund is a good match/addition.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Surely we'd be wanting some money in return. If they've decided they only care about him as a player rather than as a person then him as a player must be worth nearly double Hoijlund.
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That’s only if we can use him as a player. We likely can’t - hence big discount…
 
Credit where credits due, if we get Mount, Hojlund and Onana for £95m, Murtough has played a blinder.

Shame and waste of talent with MG, but best outcome for me as prevents a media circus.
 
Alemar said:
That’s only if we can use him as a player. We likely can’t - hence big discount…
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I reckon that all comes down to negotiation. Atalanta have no guarantee that we won't just say screw it we will just start Greenwood instead, thanks anyway.

Knowing how we negotiate though we would probably start the talks by saying "Look we are desperate to get rid of this lad and he has no value to us. How much do you want us to pay you alongside him for Hoijlund? Please please pretty please."
 
If that's a permanent move for Greenwood we have been fleeced, he has shown far more than Hojlund in a harder league but if it's a loan then that's quite a smart move actually.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Surely we'd be wanting some money in return. If they've decided they only care about him as a player rather than as a person then him as a player must be worth nearly double Hoijlund.
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He was worth double, now he's a commercial liability and hasn't played football at a high level for a year. He's a huge risk for a buying club, but a risk that might be worth a straight swap.
 
NLunited said:
We haven‘t changed into a possession style team though haven‘t we? We press hard, try to force turn-overs and try to progress the ball quickly.

Based on last season Hojlund is a good match/addition.
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We've been trying to but it's still inconsistent. But imo it's quite clear we have moved away from that sit back quick counter approach. We've finally managed to progress the ball from the back, keep possession and push the weaker teams to their box for most part. The high pressing, quick counter you mentioned is actually a part of this style. City and Liverpool all do that as well and in fact we used that mostly against the top ones. This season we'll be more consistent I think.
 
Laurencio said:
He was worth double, now he's a commercial liability and hasn't played football at a high level for a year. He's a huge risk for a buying club, but a risk that might be worth a straight swap.
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No I get it I think I just am tired of coming out on the wrong end of deals. I never want to see Greenwood play for us again but begrudgingly admit that he is an absolutely stunning footballer. I'd much rather we pay the money for Hoijlund now and send Greenwood on loan. Let him remind the world of his value and more time to pass in people's minds then get something like his actual value.

Swapping him straight up with a 30m player just feels like we are leaving so much value on the table.
 
Strelok said:
We've been trying to but it's still inconsistent. But imo it's quite clear we have moved away from that sit back quick counter approach. We've finally managed to progress the ball from the back, keep possession and push the weaker teams to their box for most part. The high pressing, quick counter you mentioned is actually a part of this style. City and Liverpool all do that as well and in fact we used that mostly against the top ones. This season we'll be more consistent I think.
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Agree, so in that style where quick vertical progression is important as well as hold up play, Hojlund is a good fit. He can run in behind with his speed, and hold up the ball.
 
NLunited said:
Agree, so in that style where quick vertical progression is important as well as hold up play, Hojlund is a good fit. He can run in behind with his speed, and hold up the ball.
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Imo he's not ready for the PL yet but we'll see I think.
 
Lash said:
Based of what the guy says on his tweet, looks like a sale:



but I have no idea who the hell this is
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He's just an Atalanta fan with a thousand followers. Is imagine he's been told that by his mate in their Atalanta group chat.
 
Lash said:
Based of what the guy says on his tweet, looks like a sale:



but I have no idea who the hell this is
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No chance he said no to Juventus :lol:

I suspect we sent him out to Atalanta as a sweetner for the Hojlund deal.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Well that is literally ridiculous.
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Not really. Toney isn't ultimately good enough for more than a squad player role and racks up the penalty goals generally to stat pad a bit, and is 27. Hojlund is just 20 years old, and his potential level is just much higher. It's an unknown, for immediately next season yeah Toney is "safer" (if he wasn't banned), but we really need a player who has a high potential level, rather than spending loads on someone who won't ever reach the level we need.
 
bosnian_red said:
Not really. Toney isn't ultimately good enough for more than a squad player role and racks up the penalty goals generally to stat pad a bit, and is 27. Hojlund is just 20 years old, and his potential level is just much higher. It's an unknown, for immediately next season yeah Toney is "safer" (if he wasn't banned), but we really need a player who has a high potential level, rather than spending loads on someone who won't ever reach the level we need.
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With Toney I‘m questioning whether he has the mentality to be at the top. You can‘t be doing dumb shit like that. Do not want.
 
I don’t buy it personally but what would it be worth in terms of knocking off the Hojlund fee? €5m if it’s a loan?
 
bosnian_red said:
Not really. Toney isn't ultimately good enough for more than a squad player role and racks up the penalty goals generally to stat pad a bit, and is 27. Hojlund is just 20 years old, and his potential level is just much higher. It's an unknown, for immediately next season yeah Toney is "safer" (if he wasn't banned), but we really need a player who has a high potential level, rather than spending loads on someone who won't ever reach the level we need.
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Toney is brilliant, scoring goals at Brentford isn't easy and his all around game is an excellent fit for Ten Hag.
 
Lash said:
Based of what the guy says on his tweet, looks like a sale:



but I have no idea who the hell this is
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Think we will get Hojlund. It definitely sounds like a sweetener to Hojlund deal.
 
Mixed feelings on the Greenwood rumour.

On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.

That's if the rumours are true, of course.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Mixed feelings on the Greenwood rumour.

On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.

That's if the rumours are true, of course.
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We're certainly allowed to though, it's just an ethical choice the club is making.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Mixed feelings on the Greenwood rumour.

On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.

That's if the rumours are true, of course.
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Would wait for stronger sources to speak
 
Getting something out of Greenwood would be great. Don't want to see him in United shirt ever again.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Mixed feelings on the Greenwood rumour.

On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.

That's if the rumours are true, of course.
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Can't see Atalanta buying him without testing if he'll be accepted by fans and media. It'll probably be a loan with an option to buy.
 
Best case scenario really is a greenwood swap. He’s basically useless to us at this point.
 
Darlington Padgett said:
Can't see Atalanta buying him without testing if he'll be accepted by fans and media. It'll probably be a loan with an option to buy.
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Our fans or?

What difference does it make for Bergamo? He's a foreigner and likely not so much of a scrutiny will be applied to his old deeds.
 
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