Ah good call. 32 games in full is 2800 min.
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Ah good call. 32 games in full is 2800 min.
4:00 in, video from tonight, we've had direct contact with Atalanta now apparently, bit of a step up from just Hojlunds agency
That's 20 full matches. Almost one goal every other game. Assuming he kept that up, that would be around 18 goals in Premier League in a full season. There is no 30+ goal striker other than Kane.
30 goals in league or overall?
Just checked whoscored for his Serie A stats. His passing accuracy is 74% for.. incredible amount of... 13 passes per game.
13 passes is because he played many games as a sub. As per fbref, it's 21 passes per 90 mins which puts him in 46 percentile, his pass completion in 69th percentile. Not great but he is still very young player.
Still awful number there, 21 passes with 75% accuracy. But yeah, still young and high risk. I don't know about his workrate, but his defensive stats isn't that glowing either.
To his credit, he averaged about 1 key pass per game. So that's pretty encouraging.
It's not awful, usually CFs will have low passes as they are involved less and most of their involvement is off the ball.
For example, Laurato Martinez, the player lot of caf loves averages 23 passes and 73% completion.
GJesus the player who drops deep and involved a lot in build up averages 30 passes and 80% completion.
One of the best CF of last decade Lewandowski averages 24 passes and 75% completion.
Harry Kane averages 25 passes and at 68% completion.
There are elite players who are amazing at this, like Benzema but they are rare CFs.
Dang it, you're right, man. Just checked Kane is about 22 passes with 72% passing acc in PL. And similar to Rashford (where Rashford has better accuracy). It's hard to believe, but that's fact.
Ok, I stand corrected with Hojlund passing issue then.
We've shown our hand in negotiations already. We said we're willing to pay upwards £100m for Kane, to then tell everyone we're not signing Kane because Levy told us where to go, this is a consequence of that, they saw us coming a mile off.
Just an absurd figure pulled from the sky. The guy has one average Serie A season under him - Vlahovic wouldn't even cost that and he's only 23 with 5 full Serie A seasons and 21 international caps.
40m plus a diallo loan seems just about palatable. Sesko cost 24m.
Quite impressed. Before he scored he did quite a lot of good work building up the play around the box.
@roonster09 and @zaafi. Keep up the good work in this thread. Proving his numbers are actually good contrary to popular belief in here.
I liked what I saw in him yesterday, strong, fast, and an eye for goal. Mostly a penalty box player, but decent dribbling ability.
The thing I'm worried about is his ball control. He had 8 unsuccessful touches yesterday, the most among any of the players in the pitch, and he played 70 minutes.
He avg 2.9 unsuccessful touches/90 last season, which is higher than the worst one in our squad who is Rashford at 2.3. Martial is at 1.6. Lukaku is 1.9.
The thing I'm worried about is his ball control. He had 8 unsuccessful touches yesterday, the most among any of the players in the pitch, and he played 70 minutes.
He avg 2.9 unsuccessful touches/90 last season, which is higher than the worst one in our squad who is Rashford at 2.3. Martial is at 1.6. Lukaku is 1.9.
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His overall ball control is quite good. His first touch and his aerial play needs to get polished.
The first goal yesterday doesnt happen without him. First he kept the ball, made some good dribbles, created the space and laid it of for Højbjerg and then got in to the position to score.
Especially that last part is something our players simply dont do enough.
Agreed.
After we bought him for 60-80m (whatever the final price is), I don’t think we have funds left for another one as we also need to spend on other positions (CM, GK, CB etc). Unless we are going to get another forward for free (Thuram?), I can see us playing the following front 3 next season:
LW: Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho
CF: Hojlund, Rashford, Martial
RW: Antony, Sancho, Diallo
That’s 7 players for front 3. And don’t forget the club has to make a decision on MG soon too.
Lewandowski is 24.91 passes with 74.5%, Haaland is 15.53 with 72.4% and Osimhen is 13.59 with 68.7% which are all comparable to Holjunds 21.35 passes with 73.1% completion.
They're clearly not awful numbers, in fact when comparing them to the best goal scorers they look quite favourable.
If you want to get excited about this signing watch this quick clip https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DLbT9PLmhyM. I was watching it live and it certainly got me off my seat.
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THose strikers are great goalscorers though.
From the stats and what I saw, he's a striker who will get a decent amount of touches because he looks to dribble, but he's not interested much in dropping deep and linking up play.
The sample size is too small, even if you watched him play all season. He played 20 games worth of minutes in Atalanta, which is all of his experience at the top level. There's a huge risk coming with spending 60-70m on him but there aren't a lot of options out there.
The sample size is too small, even if you watched him play all season. He played 20 games worth of minutes in Atalanta, which is all of his experience at the top level. There's a huge risk coming with spending 60-70m on him but there aren't a lot of options out there.
That's my point, these are the very best that play in a similar league in the same position with similar play styles and his passing stats measure up favourably. You could argue he doesn't score enough goals but you said his passing stats were awful which isn't true when compared to players that play similar to him.
He is a goalscorer and not long turned 20 years old, a year or two in a top team and there is nothing stopping him from putting up similar numbers to two of the three that were named, with a bit of luck he can do it in his first season.
About the passing volume and accuracy, I think this his accuracy is fine, but lets not pretend he's a player in the Martial/Firminho who likes to get on the ball and link up play. In terms of percentile
Martial-----: 89%(Passes Attempted), 92%(Pass Completion)
Jesus-------: 89%(Passes Attempted), 94%(Pass Completion)
Benzema--: 97%(Passes Attempted), 99%(Pass Completion)
Firmino-----: 97%(Passes Attempted), 91%(Pass Completion)
Hojlund-----: 46%(Passes Attempted), 69%(Pass Completion)
Hojlund is a different profile to the above players, and that's why his numbers dont match. He is more like Haaland, Vlahovic or Osimhen, a proper striker who depends on their physical attributes and finishing.
Martial-----: 89%(Passes Attempted), 92%(Pass Completion)
Jesus-------: 89%(Passes Attempted), 94%(Pass Completion)
Benzema--: 97%(Passes Attempted), 99%(Pass Completion)
Firmino-----: 97%(Passes Attempted), 91%(Pass Completion)
Hojlund-----: 46%(Passes Attempted), 69%(Pass Completion)
Hojlund is a different profile to the above players, and that's why his numbers dont match. He is more like Haaland, Vlahovic or Osimhen, a proper striker who depends on their physical attributes and finishing.
Was that a competive game? What on earth was the defender playing alongside number 10 doing he didn't even make an effort to defend. He is ridiculously quick looking at that clip though.
Yeah no one said he is like Martial, Firmino or Benzema.
I truly hoped we would target a CF in that profile, as they would work so well with Rashford/Garnacho. Martial is a liability at this point, but his numbers are so good, almost elite on some metrics. But he lacks the most important attribute of all, being fit. I'm not convinced at this moment that Hojlund is a better player, but he has potential. I was hoping we would bring in a player who would be an instant upgrade on fit Martial, but I'm not sure who that is.
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Yeah fit Martial or Martial from 2019-20 season would be a great asset for this team, shame he has declined so much because of injuries.
I agree with you on the profile we should go for, someone who has good hold up play and involves a lot in build up game.
I'm not sure where the notion of Hojlund not getting involved in hold up play or build up play is coming from? We know he isn't the finished article yet but even if you watched no matches of his, just from YouTube highlight videos alone you can see he likes drops deep and brings others into play, his already good strength allows him to play back to goal and draw a lot of fouls from defenders. Stats don't tell you everything
It's not hard to believe, all strikers play in the final third and their passes or attempts usually get intercepted by defenders.
There's no money to bring in any of the scouts cheap recommendations.
Good post
For what’s it’s worth if we think he’s going to be a top player and more attractive clubs than us will be in for him after another season then I hope we do whatever it takes to get him. Anything is better than Martial or WW even an expensive project player.
Good post
For what’s it’s worth if we think he’s going to be a top player and more attractive clubs than us will be in for him after another season then I hope we do whatever it takes to get him. Anything is better than Martial or WW even an expensive project player.
Yeah he looks very interesting player from the videos posted. Looks tall but good ball control, sort of odd combination. I hope we get him for decent price, CF is one of the most important position to fill this season and if we paying big money for this player then we won't have money to address other areas and one more senior CF.
End of the day, just have to hope we get the balance right. I don't know how good he is or if Hojlund is good enough to lead the line from this season, if we are paying big money then the transfer pressure will be huge too.
Højlund is actually quite decent in the build up play. Not as good as Martial, but he is younger and has a few attributes where he is better than Martial. Physically he is stronger, he isnt injury prone and he is better at being at the right spot in the penalty area.
Who is the better fit out of him and Kolo-Muani
He's certainly not the answer
Well we aren't getting Kane this summer
What if the question is "Name a Danish striker?"
Him and Garnacho could cause all sorts of problems - a very solid 2nd team front line
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