Sounds very expensive and certainly not worth it right now. Koopmeiners is currently a better attacking player for Atalanta and he wouldnt be nearly worth that either. However, Hojlund is 20 and I do think that in a couple of years we could see him become a 20 goal striker for us. And with 20 goals + his pace and bit of skill on the ball then you could make the argument he's worth it. Thats the potential we're paying for
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Basically where I'm at.
Why do people keep bringing up Kane as if there was any chance of getting him. It was never going to happen. This isn't FM or FIFA
I’d much rather spunk this money on an exciting young prospect than on Toney, call me crazy. Toney is good but for money it would take, I don’t think he’s that special?
Depends on what you expect for 75m. He would guarantee you 15-20 PL goals for the next three four years. Special is subjective but for the money we are paying, we're expecting Hojlund to be even better, hpefully before he hits 25.
I don't get the complaints about the fee. Have you people not seen what the market's like lately?
Plus you can't just look at the transfer fee alone; he's reportedly being given a low salary, so the total package really isn't that expensive.
Plus you can't just look at the transfer fee alone; he's reportedly being given a low salary, so the total package really isn't that expensive.
£72m including add ons, and I guarantee I've watched him more than you. Carry on with your dog turd posts though.I love fans who make up phantom figures and random opinions without ever watching the player
Where has the extra 3m come from you scoundrel.
Depends how long you think ETH has if the goals don’t start coming immediately - from whoever he signs.
Most managers last about 3-4 years, and big club managers often less.
So blowing your entire striker budget on expensive ‘potential for the future’ is risky in the sense that, if the signing takes, say, 2 years to start banging, at what point does another CF get brought in to relieve pressure on the manager? Cuz that’s what would happen in such a scenario.
Then you have the 65m potential on the bench, and you’d have to wonder if it were wiser to simply sign a ready to rock CF in the first place.
When people talk about ‘one for the future’ they seem to forget that in order for the current manager in any top club to have a future, success in the present is essential.
And that’s why, while signing players with potential is fecking great - blowing your entire budget on a key position (if that’s what’s happened) on ‘potential for the future’ is very risky indeed.
But you carry on.
Looks like a left footed Welbeck to me. Some decent hold up play but can’t shoot without falling over.
To be fair, Ferguson is at least as proven as Hojlund, probably more so.
On a different note, for those who are ok with Hojlund contributing 8 or so goals this season (and are positive about this transfer) where are you expecting us to finish in the league? For clarity, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation but I think it has to be matched by an acceptance that 6th is fine this season.
One thing I’ve noticed is that he can be a bit left sided - something I don’t like much but maybe he links well with Rashford.
At the end of the day this sort of signing excites me, so I’m happy, I wish more could experience that feeling.
So you’ve picked the greatest striker of a generation who plays for city and ivan Toney
Haaland isn’t going from city to us, and would cost more than 60/70 mil
Toney has been banned for 8 month
Do you have a better realistic option we could of signed
Haaland would've cost £150m+ if not for his release clause at Dortmund.
Toney is 27 and has only played two seasons in the Premier League, and never in Europe. Not to mention he comes with baggage and is banned for half the season. He's far from a slam dunk. And he'd probably be more expensive too.
Toney is 27 and has only played two seasons in the Premier League, and never in Europe. Not to mention he comes with baggage and is banned for half the season. He's far from a slam dunk. And he'd probably be more expensive too.
What "ready to rock" strikers are out there and realistically attainable? Toney is banned for half of the season. Kane and Osimhen are £100m+ forwards. The market isn't awash with established forwards.
He'd absolutely be more than £64m. And he's banned for half of the season! Who the feck knows if he'd be able to get up to speed in an entirely new setup and club following an extensive layoff halfway through the season? Hojlund is a risk, but Toney would be a nonsensical signing.
Hopefully he stands out and doesn’t hide In The Shadows.
And Toney has one particularly good statistical season at 27 years old and it includes 6 penalties. People could lean on the rest of his game but they could do the same with Hojlund.
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the club agree a fee for a player the manager clearly wants and was desperate to have.
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the club agree a fee for a player the manager clearly wants and was desperate to have.
Cafe “ too expensive” “ other options” money experts with better football understanding than ETH
You know the Liverpool players you quoted were not bought in one season, right?
And I see you are convenientpy picking and choosing which of our transfers to take for your hypothesis.
And you are also applying judgment on their transfer success in hindsight. The reality is we have spent for more than one player per season. And have spent more than anyone, bar City (Arsenal are on us in the last 3 years).
It is obviously clear that what you're saying is based on your own opinion of players not the objective reality which is that we've bought players and spent plenty.
The word 'guarantee' is thrown about far too much on these boards.
Toney scored 20 Premier League goals once in his career, and 6 of those were penalties - he wouldn't be a penalty taker at United as long as Bruno is here. So he never scored 15 non-penalty goals in the Premier League and yet you guarantee he would score 15-20 for 3-4 years.
I've been watching, I've been waiting for this signing.
God I hope he'll be that great that everyone will eat their words. The agenda against United is horrific.
Hojlund has a much higher ceiling than Toney.
Hopefully we get more Antony and less Sancho.
Really don’t care about the fee or anyone else’s pessimism. He’s a brilliant talent and I’m excited to see how he develops as hopefully the focal point of our attack for years to come.
He definitely looks to have the potential.
He definitely looks to have the potential.
Is he left or right footed? Also did he get any pre season minutes with Atalanta before last night?
if the fee is reasonable, and that's a big if, this would be a wise move on our part as he's a big athletic guy who would fit well into EtH's system
So to begin with, I think Kane was absolutely gettable for a big fee.
That would’ve given ETH 2 years of a top, top CF at his peak and thus would buy ETH that future everyone’s going on about.
It would almost certainly also guarantee the club trophies, which is nice.
Then trust the scouts to actually do their job and find some cheap ‘potential for the future’ to act as back up to the PL proven goal scorer. Or possibly bring back MG as back up, which will cost nothing.
Again - in order for a manager to have a future at a big club, success in the present is needed. This is just the reality whether we like it or not.
And IF another striker isn’t brought in this window, or if MG isn’t returned, then those hoping for Højlund to have a nice, breezy, ‘pressure free’ few seasons to ‘develop and find his feet’ are in for a fecking rude awakening, because he will be the first choice 9 for Man Utd and will need to deliver on the pitch now.
I personally think ETH is planning on bringing back MG to rotate with Højlund because if not he’s basically risking his job on this, and with the Højlund fee, I’m not sure I see another striker being bought.
If he struggled to win physical duels against Smalling then the PL is gonna be a rude awakening for him
What you state here is very true, there isn't much patience or time in football in general.
But what this really demonstrates to me is that ETH doesn't make decisions by fear. He's not fearing the worst or worrying purely about a short term result in the way you're mentioning. He's making what he thinks is the best decision overall. To me that's a valuable asset for a football club like us where we do have budgets and we do have to build, not everything can or will be ready made.
He's shown he'll buy ready made when he believes it's the best option (Casemiro) so he's not one dimensional in his thought processes. But if he looks at the market and thinks the best thing for the football club is a young player he is clearly not shirking that either. It's not a decision somebody like Mourinho would make, but Mourinho was never a Manchester United manager and we saw how his decision making and thinking worked out.
We had the same thinking. It's kind of strange how a significantly older player with a relatively dubious past as a scorer is seen as a better investment when he isn't statistically better. Even if you were to downgrade Serie A goals by half, Toney wouldn't be that good of a gamble because his previous season was one where he registered 12 goals including 5 penalties. You need to have a lot of faith on his growth post 27 years old in order to justify a high fee.
Of course not, if he doesn’t take penalties. And there are no doubts that Hojlund will be scoring more non-penalty goals than Toney
That is the thing Smalling is good at, though.
Based on what?
Ferguson scored 10 goals and 3 assists in all comps playing about 1300 mins, ok some of those goals were in the PL, but he looked really raw, and would have commanded way bigger fee from Brighton given they are losing Caicedo and McAllister. I suspect we could not have got him unless we offered stupid money, my bottom would be 90m, and I think Brighton turn it down, I like him, but I doubt he is for sale.
I think if he scored 10 goals we would be in the top 4, lets not forget we had wout for most of the season, surely his finishing and hold up play has to be better than that?
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