Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United

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Would people be ok with 10/12 goals from our main striker this season?
Ronaldo xG per 90 was 0,32 what translates to roughly 12 goals over 38 games for an average finisher. If we assume Hojlund will play 50-70% of the time then 8 goals should be achievable. 15 G+A would be fantastic season from him, but I expect closer to 10.

One thing is individual quality but this team needs to learn how to play with an actual striker.
 
Doesn't feel like it though. If that were true, it wouldn't feel like an overpay.
What on earth does “doesn’t feel like it” mean haha
We aren’t over paying, it’s supply demand
We are in desperate need of a striker
Atalanta do not need to sell
No one has suggested a worthy alternative for the same value
 
If you read the analysis, it's a bit more nuanced than that (obviously there's an element of title clickbait too, as per Twitter's incentives). He obviously isn't as lethal as Haaland or the kind of mature creator and finisher hybrid Kane is, but the analyst is talking about potential based on current attributes - more creative than Haaland, quicker than Kane etc
I'd be happy with pressing, willing to get the end of crosses and several goals. That's all we need to make this team functional. Then we start from there. It's why I hate signing young players for a huge fee, people, including United fans go mental about it and build up their expectations. Recent example is Antony, not bad for a first season but the way people talk you'd think he's the equivalent of Bebe.
 
I know why they are negative, but it also doesn't help the club or the team to be that way about everything.
Woodward is gone, a new team is there in his place and they have done a relatively good job so far.
Woodward's strategy was to spend big on one player in the transfer window and barely spend on other positions.
This meant that we may have had the likes of Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez and Di Maria come in, but we were still stuck playing the likes of Jones, Smalling, Ashley Young, Mctominay, Lingard, Dan James etc.
His signings were also rather obscure outside of the high end ones - Rasmus, a 20 year old, would be the first of such with Murtough as manager that would be expected to slot in the starting xi.
This isn't the Summer of 2018 or 2020 with Woodward. We've spent to strengthen our position into the new season and attacked issues head on.
14/15 (when we bought Di Maria) we also bought Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Blind and we got Falcao on loan.
16/17 (when we bought Pogba) we also bought Mkhitaryan and Bailly, and brought Zlatan on a free.
17/18 (when we bought Lukaku) we also bought Matic, Lindelof and Sanchez (in January).

You know what you're full of, right?
 
One thing this transfer has taught me is that people need to adapt their thinking to the current market.
A lot has changed even within the last 5 years and people have not adapted their thinking to it.

a. There are rarely any hidden gems on the market anymore. The spread of information due to better scouting, more highlight packages and access to descriptive player data means that every decent club has knowledge of almost every decent player, at least in Europe.

b. Clubs in the big 4 leagues have learnt to slap on big price tags for young valuable players that they have. After the Neymar deal - where signing established players in their prime ages/ who had just come off fantastic seasons became almost impossible, big clubs started trying to sign young players with good skillsets who hadn't yet proven it on a big stage. Players like Vinicius Jr., Camavinga, Tchouemeni, Odegaard, Martinelli etc. In addition, some also brought them into the academy or already had them in the academy - the likes of Rashford, Mount, Saka, Araujo, Valverde, Trent, Reece James, Foden, Pedri, Gavi and Musiala. When you also see how much the likes of Sancho, Joao Felix, Bellingham and Haaland went for, the market has reacted to this by ensuring that selling teams don't miss out financially on young startlets as this is the way teams are building their squads now, particularly in attacking areas of the pitch. Rasmus' fee is a clear indication of that.

c. Premium on cost of strikers - Changing formations and the emergence of wide forwards has led to teams only using one striker as their main man in most teams. There is a general dearth of striking options and this has been apparent for years. City, Chelsea, Bayern and Liverpool have all been forced to adapt to systems using false 9's because they couldn't find a quality striker for a fair price on the market to match what they wanted. To top it all off, there are few physically strong strikers with the type of quality needed to run a premier league frontline. This has led to selling teams recognizing this and putting a premium on the price of a striker. We've seen players like Lukaku, Morata, Werner and Nunez go for exorbitant fees. We've also seen teams relying on older strikers to lead front lines for as long as they could. In 2023, decent strikers from any of the big 6 leagues aren't being sold for anything less than 50m. In Rasmus' case, his youth and physicality added to that cost.

The price is simply a reflection of the market. Rival fans have had to go through this and will have to at some point. We rolled the dice on a player we felt could provide value to us in this role for the next few years. If he had already had a 20 goal season, he would be quoted at 100m and we would have had more of a bidding war for him.
 
What on earth does “doesn’t feel like it” mean haha
We aren’t over paying, it’s supply demand
We are in desperate need of a striker
Atalanta do not need to sell
No one has suggested a worthy alternative for the same value
No one would complain if we were signing Haaland or even Toney at that price, because we know they are good. Hojlund is one of the highest rated young strikers in this summer, because he grew into his body two years ago. He was never highly rated in his youth. And he still looks like a flat track bully with okay scoring.
 
If he doesn’t have a bit of Pele, Ronaldo and Rooney about him, I don’t want him.
Kane and Haaland hybrid.

Can we add a big sprinkle of Rooney to the mixture please?

He is all things to all men.

Haaland’s physique
Kane’s intelligence
RvN’s instinct
Torres’ finesse
Zlatan’s stats at 20
Rooney’s tenacity

But… don’t actually compare him to any of the above please and don’t expect more than 5 goals over the season - anything else is a bonus.
 
14/15 (when we bought Di Maria) we also bought Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Blind and we got Falcao on loan.
16/17 (when we bought Pogba) we also bought Mkhitaryan and Bailly, and brought Zlatan on a free.
17/18 (when we bought Lukaku) we also bought Matic, Lindelof and Sanchez (in January).

You know what you're full of, right?

It's ok not to agree, but its very tasteless to throw insults online
 
One thing this transfer has taught me is that people need to adapt their thinking to the current market.
A lot has changed even within the last 5 years and people have not adapted their thinking to it.

a. There are rarely any hidden gems on the market anymore. The spread of information due to better scouting, more highlight packages and access to descriptive player data means that every decent club has knowledge of almost every decent player, at least in Europe.

b. Clubs in the big 4 leagues have learnt to slap on big price tags for young valuable players that they have. After the Neymar deal - where signing established players in their prime ages/ who had just come off fantastic seasons became almost impossible, big clubs started trying to sign young players with good skillsets who hadn't yet proven it on a big stage. Players like Vinicius Jr., Camavinga, Tchouemeni, Odegaard, Martinelli etc. In addition, some also brought them into the academy or already had them in the academy - the likes of Rashford, Mount, Saka, Araujo, Valverde, Trent, Reece James, Foden, Pedri, Gavi and Musiala. When you also see how much the likes of Sancho, Joao Felix, Bellingham and Haaland went for, the market has reacted to this by ensuring that selling teams don't miss out financially on young startlets as this is the way teams are building their squads now, particularly in attacking areas of the pitch. Rasmus' fee is a clear indication of that.

c. Premium on cost of strikers - Changing formations and the emergence of wide forwards has led to teams only using one striker as their main man in most teams. There is a general dearth of striking options and this has been apparent for years. City, Chelsea, Bayern and Liverpool have all been forced to adapt to systems using false 9's because they couldn't find a quality striker for a fair price on the market to match what they wanted. To top it all off, there are few physically strong strikers with the type of quality needed to run a premier league frontline. This has led to selling teams recognizing this and putting a premium on the price of a striker. We've seen players like Lukaku, Morata, Werner and Nunez go for exorbitant fees. We've also seen teams relying on older strikers to lead front lines for as long as they could. In 2023, decent strikers from any of the big 6 leagues aren't being sold for anything less than 50m. In Rasmus' case, his youth and physicality added to that cost.

The price is simply a reflection of the market. Rival fans have had to go through this and will have to at some point. We rolled the dice on a player we felt could provide value to us in this role for the next few years. If he had already had a 20 goal season, he would be quoted at 100m and we would have had more of a bidding war for him.
Spot on.
 
Sink or swim for ten hag this season, we have trusted him with splashing big money on Antony, hojlund and mount, 2 out 3 of them need to deliver this season otherwise major doubts will be raised for eth ability with recruitment
 
Pages and pages on the player, and nothing on the flight trackers or virtual stalkers, where is he, where is his medical etc
 
No one would complain if we were signing Haaland or even Toney at that price, because we know they are good. Hojlund is one of the highest rated young strikers in this summer, because he grew into his body two years ago. He was never highly rated in his youth. And he still looks like a flat track bully with okay scoring.

I'd be upset if we were paying anywhere near close to this amount for Ivan Toney.
 
£70m :lol:

Feck me were soon going to have some first XI of players we've signed for £70m+, Pogba's the only one that was semi successful and Maguire for about a season.

For those wondering why anyone would complain, he's very raw. Easy to be positive when you've got the dopamine hit, but a finished article he isn't. As with Antony and Sancho, I can see people quickly change their tune when they actually see him play. The kids worth about £40m (mostly for the potential), but as usual we overpay for everything and don't really get much in return for our money.

I'd much, much rather we found an extra £40m or binned Mount and signed someone genuinely good, like Osimhen or Kane. We have so many of these meh players like Sancho and Antony it's just sad at this point.
I love fans who make up phantom figures and random opinions without ever watching the player :lol:
 
She is allegedly Sadio Mané's girlfriend so I guess that's the implication.
Wow , So with whom other Liverpool Correspondents are sleeping with to get their Scoops or other journalists for that matter . It may seem I am overreacting but I honestly feel that comment was in real poor taste .
 
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No one would complain if we were signing Haaland or even Toney at that price, because we know they are good. Hojlund is one of the highest rated young strikers in this summer, because he grew into his body two years ago. He was never highly rated in his youth. And he still looks like a flat track bully with okay scoring.
yet you want us to invest 90m+ in Ferguson, who is less proven than even Hojlund, add in the cheap option of an 80m Kane that you thought we should have easily done.
 
No one would complain if we were signing Haaland or even Toney at that price, because we know they are good. Hojlund is one of the highest rated young strikers in this summer, because he grew into his body two years ago. He was never highly rated in his youth. And he still looks like a flat track bully with okay scoring.
Toney? TONEY?!!
 
You’d be upset paying ‘anywhere near’ to 65m for Toney…? Why!?

In a World where Mount is 55m, Højlund 65m, Grealish 100m, Rice 105m.

He's a good player, but he's 27 and probably already in his prime. His best season was the one just gone and he scored 20 goals, but 6 penalties. He's also banned until the new year, so would be a completely pointless signing right now. Even if he wasn't, I'd still just see him as an expensive stop gap until we could get a potential top tier striker from somewhere.

It's a matter of preference, but I'd rather go for the younger guy who could potentially be as good as, if not better than Toney, for a similar price.
 
No flight required. He was already in the UK
He was in Bournemouth yesterday wasn’t he ?

He was an unused sub, kept on the bench for Atalanta’s pre-season friendly at Bournemouth.

Was it a coincidence that the final deal was concluded, while Atalanta in the UK?
I suspect not !
The agreement might have been reached later on after the game, or during Saturday evening, with the announcement made this morning.

Flights?
A private jet flew down from Chester to Bournemouth and back yesterday morning.
The same jet is doing a return trip this afternoon.
Whether this has any connection with the transfer deal, is anyone’s guess.


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A lot of miserable people in this thread that justify their constant misery as "having different opinion".
 
Regardless of what we’ve paid thank God we’ve actually got a striker in, ready for the start of the season. Not managing to get one in at all before the league starts would have been a big disaster. Now I’m fecking excited.
 
Like you did with Woodward and the people in charge of transfers at United without even taking the time to check your claims?

At least own your mistakes.

Truth is I didn't to bother with a response to you. But clearly you didn't take the time to understand what I was saying.

Where Liverpool spent on the likes of Salah, Firminho, Fabinho, Robertson and Mane - all of whom had performed well prior to their arrival and were known commodities. We were spending on Bailly, Herrera, Rojo, Daley Blind, Fred, Lindelof and Telles. We also persisted with having these players in and around our starting xi.

In 2017, we bought Mhiki for cheap at 24m due to his contract situation and got Ibra for free. That year, we partnered Pogba with Fellaini in midfield, had Smalling and Rojo in our defence, Young was our left back and Valencia was our right back.

In 2015, when we signed Di Maria. We played Smalling with Rojo and converted Valencia to our right back. Herrera didn't stamp himself as a figure in our midfield and Blind didn't have the quality to be our DM - both of whom were relatively obscure prior. Fellaini was still in our best xi.

Where City signed Debruyne, Sterling, Walker, Gundogan and Sane. We were doing all of this.
In addition, when Man City realized that signings like Danilo, Nolito etc, they quickly remidied the situation.
When they noticed Yaya Toure and Joe Hart were showing their age, they were replaced.
This summer, our transfer team did that with De Gea.

I don't need to check my claims, you just need to stop throwing random insults online. Like I said before, its rather tasteless and if you can't have a sensible conversation without doing that, I'd rather you not respond at all.
 
A lot of miserable people in this thread that justify their constant misery as "having different opinion".

:lol:

‘STOP BEING MISERABLE!!!1!!’

‘I’m not miserable, I just have a different opinion to you’

‘AAARRGGGHHH NO YOU DON’T!!!11!!’

‘I think I do, also you don’t seem very happy yourself’

‘I AM feckING HAPPY - STOP COMPLAINING’

‘But you’re complaining too’

‘I’M ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU. YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT FOOTBALL!!11!’

‘Ok… sorry?’

‘ARRRGGGHH!!1! YOU ENTITLED PRICK! DO AS I WANT YOU TO!! DONT SAY THINGS I DONT LIKE!!’
 
Exciting prospect but I would've liked us getting someone like Brian Brobbey who looks a better fit for PL and without a doubt would've required a lower transfer fee.
 
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