They submitted a bid that was lower than ours and told Atalanta it was a take it or leave it offer and they would not increase it. As negotiating tactics go it is certainly innovative but not likely to be successful.
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They submitted a bid that was lower than ours and told Atalanta it was a take it or leave it offer and they would not increase it. As negotiating tactics go it is certainly innovative but not likely to be successful.
No disrespect to Hojlund but He hardly screams statement signing .
You two probably win the “most posts in the Rasmus Hojlund thread” and are clearly very supportive of the move. Tell me, have either one of you watched even one Atalanta match with Hojlund start to finish in the past year? What are you basing this opinion on? Tell me, seriously. ETH basically said in the press conference that if they bring in a striker that isn’t quite ready, Rashford can cover at no. 9. Not exactly an inspiring response.
I’m not saying Hojlund is going to be a failure. I’m saying that given what we’ve seen from him — which is 1800 minutes of Serie A football — it seems a bit speculative when compared with the aspirations of the club, which should be to at least challenge City in the league. I suppose some muppets just blindly act as cheerleaders without really analyzing.
I really hope he does well. I’m not even saying he’s going to a failure, just saying he’s very raw. @Abraxas you mentioned in previous posts not being excited about the Mason Mount business which to me is insane. He was fantastic for Chelsea for two seasons, is a proven PL performer. Bizarre you’d be worried about him but delighted to welcome a 20 yr old with little experience at arguably the most important position on the pitch for 70m….
agreed...was already tired of his nonsense in the club sale thread.
He’s not going to PSG mate.
They’re just being used by Atalanta to try and fleece Utd even more.
No chance he goes to PSG, won’t happen.
This is a short clip from Stephen Pagliuga who owns Atalanta.
Wow didn’t know they spent €20m on him. I think with that in mind, the €60m mark isn’t extortionate from their point of view, if you also add in how highly they rate him.
But don't let that distract you from the fact he has 7 goals in 53 matches!
€20m for a 19 year old player is a huge fee, especially for a club like Atalanta.
And Alan Shearer had 10 goals in his first 77 league matches for Southampton ....
I was just joking, but that is a good point actually. I didn't know that, so that will be my go-to argument from now
I was just joking, but that is a good point actually. I didn't know that, so that will be my go-to argument from now
I am not saying he is the new Shearer- but not all players score a goal a game at 18-19 like Haaland did
More like 4 goals in 64 matches.
I am not saying he is the new Shearer- but not all players score a goal a game at 18-19 like Haaland did
I'm pro-Højlund by the way, if that was unclear
It's right what you say, after Haaland, people have become obsessed with strikers needing to score goals at a young age and if they don't, they're not going to be good strikers.
I feel Højlund has got all the tools to be an elite striker, if he can manage to knit together all his abilities and improve them. An ideal striker for the league with his strength, pace and movement.
I'm not even in the top 10 for "most posts in the thread." Another number that appears to be about as accurate as your Hojlund/Kane forecasting
Let's get real, most of us are presenting opinions based on reports, highlights and some degree of faith in the manager and his opinion based on the credibility he has built to date. Evidence that is expedient. There isn't enough time in the world to be watching an array of these football matches and until I am presented with a contract offer to become a scout I will not even pretend that I am going to do that as it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. I am not quite sure what you are anticipating the answer to be, unless I present myself as a reknowned football analyst then there is absolutely no inconsistency between presenting an opinion and not having watched full football matches for middling Italian sides. I'd wager it's largely the same set of evidence you're looking at, just with an opinion that differs from your perpetual gloom.
Not many are disagreeing that he's raw, and not many are suggesting he's a ready made option, or even the ideal option in a perfect world. Not many are saying he will have us competing with City simply because he has been signed. The thing to notice is we're not in a perfect world and that's the context that is so important to getting on board with the signing. I don't think we're even disagreeing on Hojlund not being a sure fire success either, it's just you seem to think the club is operating within a climate that it simply isn't with respect to established, world class centre forwards. I think that's why you are operating under this cloud of depression with respect to the signing. What I'm seeing is options that are not substantially standing out to me above buying a young centre forward the manager likes.
I've seen names thrown forward and nothing that is particularly compelling that would lead me to think that going for a 20 year old that the scouting likes and has good base attributes is a mistake. I can understand why he likes him, but that doesn't extend to me dying on the Rasmus Hojlund hill where I'm categorically certain about him, of course he's a risk. What I'm not going to do is wank myself silly to Harry Kane when it's simply not happening, or pretend that there are loads of sub 50 million strikers that are standing out and rendering this a waste of money, I don't see any particular value we're missing out on and I don't see the home run we're supposed to be landing that has us as title challenges. So in view of our budget, and the available options, I see more right than wrong with this plan - and yes I'm willing to have some inherent positivity about things too.
The Mount thing is totally and utterly irrelevant and you risk derailing the thread with that so I'm not particularly keen on going down that route. Imagine if everybody was doing that, the thread would be a total mess. Suffice to say, they're different for the same reasons that I just listed above. Different context around the signing in the market, and I didn't really see the clear need for a midfielder that had operated in attacking positions so I thought it was a strange use of money for a first signing of the summer.
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They are on the verge of signing Toure for 30m..
Must be worth 90m.. we should hijack that deal.
Record amount of goals for a teenager in Serie A. That's an impressive record, particularly given he's done that in 1800 minutes.
It's impressive for a player bought as a teenager from the Austrian league. I like his physicality and explosiveness and it'll be interesting to see how he develops if we end up signing him.
Sorry but that's one of the least impressive records I've ever seen in football
. The premiership equivalent is 46 goals scored by Michael Owen and the seventh highest scoring teenager in English football has double the league goals that Hojlund scored.Rasmus (20 yo) last season 42 games 16 goals 7 assist
Darwin nunez (24 yo) last season 42 games 15 goals 4 assist
Darwin nunez (24 yo) last season 42 games 15 goals 4 assist
How are you doing fellow qatarian, can you make our offer look good please?
This only matters if the defending of the two leagues is of similar quality, which it is not. Darwin Nunez would have scored more goals if he were Atalanta's starting striker.
Who's your idea of 'statement signing'? Mbappe?
Yep... and especially also for Austrian Bundesliga... With the exception of players from RB Salzburg, such a high transfer fee has never been achieved before. It was €17m plus €3 in addons.
And since i saw a pic of the Højlund family in this video here is another part from an interview with Raz from last year :
(Interview Rasmus Højlund in Sturm Graz club papers "SturmEcho" issue Spring 2022)
How did you come to that conclusion exactly?
This is starting to drag on a bit, we're just over a fortnight from our first premier league match of the season and we don't have a recognised striker in the squad who isn't made of glass. It's important that we hit the ground running and don't have a nightmare start like last season.
We really need to get this done over the weekend or move onto another option.
We really need to get this done over the weekend or move onto another option.
Fairly sure some of those goals were from Sturm Graz too.
I disagree. It is debatable which league is stronger considering the performance of Italian clubs in European competition last season and it is still the case that the style of play in the PL is much more open than in Serie A.
I don't think so, probably included international games
5 of them were for Sturm Graz. The rest were for Atalanta.
Don't let that distract you from the fact that they weren't all starts.
Bollocks. Darwin missed so many chances last year he became a meme. The prem is stronger, but Liverpool are a top team - he had no shortage of chances.
I think it would be a interesting signing and going from the Austrian Bundesliga to Serie A at 19 years of age and contributing in his first full season is quite impressive considering Serie A is a league that isn't easy to score in imo.
Someone mentioned Michael Owen earlier but he was mostly a striker who thrived in transition. Hence Liverpool won the league with Firminho who facilitated for the wide attackers and midfield without being a prolific scorer himself, but it enabled the Liverpool team as a collective to score a ridiculous amount of goals in a high defensive line.
I think if we can sign Hojlund along with Amrabat and push the defensive line high where there's a high volume of players in the opponent's half. Then the potential to overload the attacking third will become a reality and the press and counter press will also become a additional weapon. And I think we'll then score a lot of goals as a team.
You attack with 11 and defend with 11
I'm joking mate. You'd think it was obvious with the extreme overexaggerated bullshit in that post
In Nunez' defense, both Rashford and Haaland missed more big chances.
It was his first season, and his stats aren't even that bad. I'm sure he'll do better this season, although I hope he does worse.
I'm joking mate. You'd think it was obvious with the extreme overexaggerated bullshit in that post
All good! Thought you were serious!
Cheeky bastards dictating terms for us
They've already spent a club record fee just now, they'll need money from somewhere...
Okay, wait… so you admit you’ve watched nothing more than YouTube highlights (if that!) and yet quick to jump down my throat because I had the temerity to suggest he’s a bit of a speculative buy and may not help us much this year???!! Even better, you can’t be bothered to watch said matches because they are boringI'm not even in the top 10 for "most posts in the thread." Another number that appears to be about as accurate as your Hojlund/Kane forecasting
Let's get real, most of us are presenting opinions based on reports, highlights and some degree of faith in the manager and his opinion based on the credibility he has built to date. Evidence that is expedient. There isn't enough time in the world to be watching an array of these football matches and until I am presented with a contract offer to become a scout I will not even pretend that I am going to do that as it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. I am not quite sure what you are anticipating the answer to be, unless I present myself as a reknowned football analyst then there is absolutely no inconsistency between presenting an opinion and not having watched full football matches for middling Italian sides. I'd wager it's largely the same set of evidence you're looking at, just with an opinion that differs from your perpetual gloom.
Not many are disagreeing that he's raw, and not many are suggesting he's a ready made option, or even the ideal option in a perfect world. Not many are saying he will have us competing with City simply because he has been signed. The thing to notice is we're not in a perfect world and that's the context that is so important to getting on board with the signing. I don't think we're even disagreeing on Hojlund not being a sure fire success either, it's just you seem to think the club is operating within a climate that it simply isn't with respect to established, world class centre forwards. I think that's why you are operating under this cloud of depression with respect to the signing. What I'm seeing is options that are not substantially standing out to me above buying a young centre forward the manager likes.
I've seen names thrown forward and nothing that is particularly compelling that would lead me to think that going for a 20 year old that the scouting likes and has good base attributes is a mistake. I can understand why he likes him, but that doesn't extend to me dying on the Rasmus Hojlund hill where I'm categorically certain about him, of course he's a risk. What I'm not going to do is wank myself silly to Harry Kane when it's simply not happening, or pretend that there are loads of sub 50 million strikers that are standing out and rendering this a waste of money, I don't see any particular value we're missing out on and I don't see the home run we're supposed to be landing that has us as title challenges. So in view of our budget, and the available options, I see more right than wrong with this plan - and yes I'm willing to have some inherent positivity about things too.
The Mount thing is totally and utterly irrelevant and you risk derailing the thread with that so I'm not particularly keen on going down that route. Imagine if everybody was doing that, the thread would be a total mess. Suffice to say, they're different for the same reasons that I just listed above. Different context around the signing in the market, and I didn't really see the clear need for a midfielder that had operated in attacking positions so I thought it was a strange use of money for a first signing of the summer.
A real superfan! Wow, you’ve really dug deep on the research here mate.Here’s what I think, and tell me if I’m wrong. You read the forum, picked a side (cause it’s easy), didn’t think about the cost differences or even a centimeter more deeply about the deal, and basically chose an opinion that someone else had parroted, then proceeded to write 100+ posts making snide comments at other people because their opinion is different from your stolen opinion.
The Mason Mount thing.
It’s okay for you to criticize a signing or be less than optimistic, but when someone else does it, clearly, they’re being a negative Nellie. Oh, and you’re willing to have inherent positivity, unless it’s for Mason Mount. Pretty damn hypocritical.Have some fecking class. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you.
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