Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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Can we change the thread title to Harry Kane please? I mean, we are never signing him in a million years but that is clearly all anybody wants to talk about.
We can make a new Rasmus thread with a disclaimer, Kaniacs keep out.
We can make a new Rasmus thread with a disclaimer, Kaniacs keep out.
Yeah it's extremely frustrating. Kane was never an option for us as Levy wouldn't sell to us.
Who?
I haven't really got very strong views on the striker we bring in, as while I would prefer us to be in a position to bring in an elite player like Kane, while also getting our other targets, I've pretty much long since established that's highly unlikely and have been happy enough to see us target a certain price range and bring in Onana, Mount and, likely, Hojlund and Amrabat.
Given the circumstances of the takeover / reported FFP issues, and the unlikely ability to bring in Kane or Osimhen, then I'd class that as well above what I was expecting this summer. Especially if we also manage to offload more of the unwanted players.
Obviously, the return of the Kane talk is tempting. But I'm still perfectly happy to see reported progress of the Hojlund and Amrabat deals, rather than see us have to put everything on hold in order to slowly try the very tricky negotiations with Spurs that would likely drag on late into the window with no guarantee of success.
It's right that, in turns of ability and likelihood of success, Hojlund is the gamble and Kane the safer option. However, in turns of transfers, if the negotiations with the players, and Atalanta and Fiorentina, are as progressed as reported, then I'd class getting them locked in as the safer option, while pinning all our hopes (and much of the budget) on pulling off a late deal for Kane as the bigger gamble.
So I'm happy for whichever progresses first to get completed. So far that seems to be the Hojlund and Amrabat deals and so I'm hoping for further positive updates on them. However if news breaks on any positive progress on Kane (not that I'm expecting it), then I'd be just as happy with them getting that done instead.
Pretty much, happy to go along with whichever the club choose so long as it feels like they're getting deals done and securing key targets - which any of those seem to be.
Given the circumstances of the takeover / reported FFP issues, and the unlikely ability to bring in Kane or Osimhen, then I'd class that as well above what I was expecting this summer. Especially if we also manage to offload more of the unwanted players.
Obviously, the return of the Kane talk is tempting. But I'm still perfectly happy to see reported progress of the Hojlund and Amrabat deals, rather than see us have to put everything on hold in order to slowly try the very tricky negotiations with Spurs that would likely drag on late into the window with no guarantee of success.
It's right that, in turns of ability and likelihood of success, Hojlund is the gamble and Kane the safer option. However, in turns of transfers, if the negotiations with the players, and Atalanta and Fiorentina, are as progressed as reported, then I'd class getting them locked in as the safer option, while pinning all our hopes (and much of the budget) on pulling off a late deal for Kane as the bigger gamble.
So I'm happy for whichever progresses first to get completed. So far that seems to be the Hojlund and Amrabat deals and so I'm hoping for further positive updates on them. However if news breaks on any positive progress on Kane (not that I'm expecting it), then I'd be just as happy with them getting that done instead.
Pretty much, happy to go along with whichever the club choose so long as it feels like they're getting deals done and securing key targets - which any of those seem to be.
Regarding the bolded part, the team financial success or the financial outcome of the deal doesn't rely on Hojlund reaching that kind of level. Your entire demonstration assumes that the team is going to do far better with one player than with the other even though the team has done better that Tottenham without Kane. Surely you see where the problem is here?
I'm telling you this as someone who would take Kane over nearly anyone else if he was available but there is no scenario where I will pretend that the financial commitment that the club would have to make is close to the one linked to Hojlund. For this very simple reason, Kane on his own has not actually guaranteed great performances for Tottenham in the CL and that includes when Tottenham had a better or comparable team than United currently have.
Is he better than Hojlund today? Absolutely, that question shouldn't even be asked but he is also more costly and in order to make the deal as cheap as the alternatives Kane would need to have an impact that he has never had. Keep in mind that as an example Kane has less CL goals than Morata or Mandzukic, he isn't himself at the level of Haaland or Mbappé.
Yeah but someone with a gcse in business studies has done the analysis and apparently Kane is clearly the best option?
What were you expecting? A limousine to drop off a leather bound book with the offer at Atalanta HQ?Where is the official bid that was supposed to have been made on Monday???
A verbal offer has been made
In my opinion Lewandowski's technique is amazing and i would say he is not too far off of the level of the players you mentioned, or Benzema/Ibrahimovic. Slightly below them but really only slightly. Some of the things Lewa pulls off are absolutely amazing. I'd say Rooney level, and i really love Rooney's technique.
I love how he's using his strength to hold off a defender to receive the ball and how comfortable he is doing that. Then laying it off to someone in space. I can see Onana looking for this guy high up the pitch with quick fire passes into his feet completely bypassing the midfield. Should make beating a high press a lot easier. We've seen Onana do this countless times at Inter playing it straight into Lukaku.
Good times ahead.
Yes they will do something like that but it will be much more complicated. They will run sensitivity analyses on all the variables and, I would think, will provide an investment viability report, basically a summary of risks and rewards. I doubt if it’s used to help a manager choose between two signings but it might form part of the internal paperwork needed before funds get approved.
It sounded like you were saying a case would be made such as: “this is what we assume will happen” therefore we should buy Kane.
I was comparing Munich to London, which also has its charms. I live in California, which despite everything you may have read recently, is a pretty incredible place to live, work and play but when I was in Manchester last time a few months ago I could really see myself spending more time there. But there's nothing quite like (at least for the masses) California.
No chance whatsoever that that Spurs CL side would be "better or comparable" to the United side going into this season, assuming Onana is everything he's advertised to be.
But of course we really don't know what we're getting with Onana, and that uncertainty is my greatest concern going into the new season.
How don't we? He's not some unknown quantity that no ones seen played before!
I think we already have a lot of players who are technically very good, quite a few more than we have aggressive physical fighters. I think we need someone physical who will put their body on the line in the 6 yard box to get the job done in there. We have the players to feed it to him, we just need someone to finish off the moves and occupy defenders to make space for the other attackers. He’s fast and runs behind, can hold up, head and strike with both feet, he’s aggressive in the box and he compliments what we have and addresses what we need all in one fell swoop.
Wout?
Jon Dahl Tomasson.
I would be quite happy if he is somewhere in between Mandzukic and Lewandowski in terms of talent! 
You are assuming a lot here. First of all, the wage amounts, and second, Kane not dropping off in performances. Third, you don’t include Hojlund improving over time.
Fourth: we made third place without Hojlund. Who is he replacing? Weghorst. Are we improving with Hojlund over Weghorst? Hell Yeah.
Fifth: Spurs regularly not making CL with Kane.
Worst post I’ve seen in a while. Are you Kane’s agent?
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yeah, but without kane they wouldnt even be close
A couple extra points on this Kane vs Hojland (and personally I'd love both!)
- In 5 years time Kane will be worth 0 and Hojland somewhere between 0 and 150m inflation adjusted.. I didn't see the guy doing the figures factor that in.
- I think everyone would agree that Cantona was better than Sheringham, but the latter came in and we won the treble, and Ten Hag certainly thinks that the team is more important than any individual.
- Has anyone considered that Kane might be mentally shot to pieces having just seen Citeh win the treble with Haaland upfront instead of him? Not only does he have "that could have been me" to deal with but he can also see Haaland already progressing towards his top Premiership scorer record that he hasn't even achieved yet. Add to that the World Cup penalty miss, honestly I don't think Kane is as sure a signing as everyone assumes. He would be under immense pressure from himself to achieve.
- Hojlund absolutely wants to be here.
I honestly don't think that if we (I know it won't happen) signed both that Kane would be head and shoulders above Hojlund, and if anything I can imagine Hojlund being just as loved. We love Weghorst at the start for his effort alone haha.. we loved Alan Smith even though he came from Leeds.
If Hojlund comes in and works his socks off and gets the occasional goal, it'll be great.
I haven't seen the comparison often here but I think he's like a young Cavani and we enjoyed, albeit briefly, the original.
- In 5 years time Kane will be worth 0 and Hojland somewhere between 0 and 150m inflation adjusted.. I didn't see the guy doing the figures factor that in.
- I think everyone would agree that Cantona was better than Sheringham, but the latter came in and we won the treble, and Ten Hag certainly thinks that the team is more important than any individual.
- Has anyone considered that Kane might be mentally shot to pieces having just seen Citeh win the treble with Haaland upfront instead of him? Not only does he have "that could have been me" to deal with but he can also see Haaland already progressing towards his top Premiership scorer record that he hasn't even achieved yet. Add to that the World Cup penalty miss, honestly I don't think Kane is as sure a signing as everyone assumes. He would be under immense pressure from himself to achieve.
- Hojlund absolutely wants to be here.
I honestly don't think that if we (I know it won't happen) signed both that Kane would be head and shoulders above Hojlund, and if anything I can imagine Hojlund being just as loved. We love Weghorst at the start for his effort alone haha.. we loved Alan Smith even though he came from Leeds.
If Hojlund comes in and works his socks off and gets the occasional goal, it'll be great.
I haven't seen the comparison often here but I think he's like a young Cavani and we enjoyed, albeit briefly, the original.
you'd need to know the costs involved to make that judgement, which we don't
at 2x the cost I'd say Kane is less risk, personally
I don’t know if Kane would have that type of impact. Nobody does. He may have more of an impact, or less. This exercise was merely to introduce the concept that revenues are as much of the equation as costs. Buying Hojlund is like buying over priced real estate in a so-called “up and coming” part of town. Nobody knows if the capital spent is going to return much profit. Kane is like buying real estate in the nicest part of town. Yes, it’s more expensive, but you can rent it out for more and it’s pretty much guaranteed to turn a profit unless some sort of natural disaster hits (injury).
This whole discussion started when people were saying the Kane was way too expensive while touting Hojlund as a bargain. It was merely to show that there is a much bigger picture that the Caf fails to see: deep CL runs, PL titles, more revenue, which is more likely to happen with Kane vs. Hojlund. I personally think Hojlund is a big risk. I’d be delighted if he scored 15 goals for us. I think Rooney was a much better prospect, played at a higher level competition for more matches and was younger if we are looking for a comparable buy.
He is at 75k/wk... stopped reading after that...
You got it. Not sure why the post was so controversial. It’s basically, here’s a possible scenario where Kane would make more sense that splashing 70m on Hojlund. And yes, their deep dive on the data would allow for all kinds of scenarios and variables.
We must be from a different generation I have no idea
Harry Kane had 32 goals and 5 assists last season. He may drop off performance wise, but he might not. Lewandowski hasn’t, Benzema was great 30-34.
You talk like Hojlund is a sure thing. He is really unknown as a prospect and barely played 1800 minutes in Serie A.
I am Harry Kane’s agent! Are you Hojlund’s agent?
Are we there yet?
I'm willing to give the kid a chance. Scamacca was my preferred ST signing last summer and he's been bang average for West Ham so what do I know.
We must be from a different generation I have no idea
Are you a teenager?
Sigh, kids these days get their information from FIFA.
All muppetry and no signing makes Jack a dull boy.
Joint highest international scorer for Denmark. Currently managing in the English Championship.We must be from a different generation I have no idea
Thought he got unfairly criticised during his brief spell in the PL at Newcastle so was glad to see he had a solid club career after that and a good international one.
Sad for him, he won’t have that feeling of actually paying attention to Blackburn when they were on Match of the Day, just in case Morten Gamst Pedersen did some bizarre outrageous shit
The one that I've been thinking of recently is Louis Saha. Tall, rangy, and a combination of speed and strength that was an absolute handful for defenders.
You're kidding right? Drogba for sure refined his game, he was raw as f*** at Marseille, but he really worked at his game. But both Lewandoski and Cavani are technically fantastic players... positional play, finishing (how relaxed they are in front of goal...) their heading ability, technically almost perfect. We have a generation of fans who haven't seen many centre forwards who score many goals with their head, attacking the ball. Look at Rashford's (match-winning.... ) goal against West Ham in the Premier League last season. Awesome strike.
If he comes which, if any, of these will do you think he will add more value than.
Wout ?
Martial ?
Sancho ?
Antony ?
Pellistri ?
Ganacho ?
I know nothing at all about him.
Wout ?
Martial ?
Sancho ?
Antony ?
Pellistri ?
Ganacho ?
I know nothing at all about him.
Veron was a proven quality player, as was Sanchez. Ronaldo was pretty well known too. The various Dortmund players we've brought in, including Sancho, were well known but didn't work out well. I still believe in Sancho, but it can't be denied that he's been underwhelming in his first two seasons at OT. Maguire and Pogba were known quantities, but in the end they came nowhere close to expectations. Lukaku was known but was borderline farce.
The PL is a tough slog for a keeper new to the league -- and especially so for new keepers at Old Trafford. The lights are incredibly hot and social media is what it is -- brutal.
I’m not hyping up Hojlund and making up numbers to make him look good.Harry Kane had 32 goals and 5 assists last season. He may drop off performance wise, but he might not. Lewandowski hasn’t, Benzema was great 30-34.
You talk like Hojlund is a sure thing. He is really unknown as a prospect and barely played 1800 minutes in Serie A.
I am Harry Kane’s agent! Are you Hojlund’s agent?
Kane could drop off significantly, like Van Persie. He will score less in all probability each year while Hojlund is only 20.
Your point that Hojlund wants to come here and Kane could not care less apparently, is overlooked here.
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