We have money. That's not the issue. We just don't want to continue overspending. And having more money will not help.
Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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I actually agree with that. But I also dont believe in the 80 million figures. We would have left the table if that was the case. (and we should if that was the case)
Yes. It’s a simile that can strike several ways. The likenesses are superficial: both are about 1.90, both are young, promising strikers for middling countries with good football culture, both scored very few goals until breaking through at around 20. Oh, and most interesting trivia: Both switched clubs to a big rival at youth level (Brøndby-København, Crvena Zvezda-Partizan).
Depends on how desperate we are. We have some examples of similar behaviour recently.
I would hate to see us paying well over the odds for the young man because if he doesn't hit the ground running the fans will get on his back and the price tag will weigh heavy on him....it will not be fair on him at this stage of his career.
Tbh I don't mind if we have to overpay a bit for the lad. But trying to justify and call that a fair or good price is another story imo.
I suspect we are still investigating whether we can sign both Højlund and Kane. The noises coming out of spurs are favorable for us and we’ve seemingly already agreed terms with Højlund so things could be lining up.
I just think the main reason we’ve not formally submitted a bid to Atalanta is that setting a big fee for Højlund then sets a target price for Levy to negotiate on Kane if we do decide to approach spurs again.
It could also be a case of waiting to see how much we could raise from player sales. There are probably a number of moving parts to these transactions. I think a lot of the delays are to do with timing…
…or this could all be wishful thinking!
I just think the main reason we’ve not formally submitted a bid to Atalanta is that setting a big fee for Højlund then sets a target price for Levy to negotiate on Kane if we do decide to approach spurs again.
It could also be a case of waiting to see how much we could raise from player sales. There are probably a number of moving parts to these transactions. I think a lot of the delays are to do with timing…
…or this could all be wishful thinking!
If we are willing to pay 60 million pounds it should easily get done with add ons that are somewhat hard to achieve
As we shouldn't, glad that we are holding firm, I suspect somewhere between 50-60 plus addons if this gets done.
He's worth more than £30 million.
ETH tends to get a lot of bashing for the Weghorst signing but the reality was his hands were tied with what was available. You don’t find top quality players available on loan, especially mid season.
I’m sure ETH would have preferred Felix over Weghorst but our owners were never going to approve the ridiculous loan fee for that move.
ETH probably looked at it and decided he could utilise Weghorst’s work rate and link up to allow the team to get the best out of Rashford which is effectively what happened.
You won't find any player with his profile going for much more than that.
Weghorst is an odd stick to beat ETH with. Ronaldo had left, Greenwood in the wilderness, Martial is perpetually injured. We literally would have had to play Mctominay next so in that sense Weghorst atleast provided a last-ditch option which was better.
Antony is the more questionable high value signing backed by ETH. But even he too early to be written off yet.
Antony is the more questionable high value signing backed by ETH. But even he too early to be written off yet.
I imagine 60m would mean something like 45-50m guaranteed fees and rest being milestones based bonus.
I dont know mate, he's got his flaws in general play, his goal scoring stats are bang average and he's had one season of football.
The only examples are players from the Brazilian league or players with release clauses
He's 20 mate. You pay for potential.
I mean last summer, at age 19, he got transferred for a whopping £15m. He hasn't really lit up the Serie A or anything since, he's joint 20th top scorer. Still seems pretty raw.
How has he, in your mind, tripled in value in a year? Did he not have that potential at 19?
Of course he’s out it up. I read his partnership up top is the third most prolific in the entire league.
You’ve got to ignore games and look at the actual minutes he’s played compared to the goals he’s scored.
Chelsea are already getting two strikers for no more than 70m combined, both with better records than Hojlund. PSG bought Ekitike for €35m, he also had a better record. Sesko was sold for €24m, yes it was for another Red Bull team but it's around the same price when they sold other forwards for different clubs.
He's only worth £40-50m if 20m of those are add-ons mostly related to the number of goals he would score.
The club are trying to keep the fee as low as possible for Rasmus so I don't think there is another 80mil in the kitty for Kane.
If there was we would just be buying Harry IMO.
Care to back this up with a source? Because the numbers don't add up and all I can find is something about calendar year 2022 (which only covers first half of 2022/23) and he's not even the in the strike partnership for Atalanta, who are 5th.
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You dont pay that much for potential. That's not normal
Unless it's MASSIVE potential that looks pretty far on and very likely to be met.
Care to back this up with anything? Because the numbers don't add up and all I can find is something about calendar year 2022 (which only covers first half of 2022/23) and he's not even the in the strike partnership for Atalanta, who are 5th.
Nearly all his league goals are in 2023. I don't know if the post you quoted is accurate but your table is out of context when it comes to Hojlund's season.
There’s an interview with him on YouTube, it’s stated there on the Serie A channelCare to back this up with anything? Because the numbers don't add up and all I can find is something about calendar year 2022 (which only covers first half of 2022/23) and he's not even the in the strike partnership for Atalanta, who are 5th.
Agree. I'm also of the opinion his true value would be 30m. But again, don't mind if we overpay. He's tall and fast, that's pretty rare imo.
If we were given the nod by spurs and it becomes a straight choice between the two (because we’ve not raised enough cash for both), I think you’re right that we’d likely just buy Kane.
I found the interview. Here's a youtube link for those interested.
The partnership mentioned is with a familiar name, Ademola Lookman. Previously of Everton and Leicester (loan). Worth nothing that Lookman, who struggled to make an impact in the EPL, has much better numbers than Hojlund and is basically carrying the stats for the partnership while playing mostly as support striker.
13 goals and 8 assists in 1.731' for Lookman
9 goals and 4 assists in 1.832' for Hojlund.
I don't know about you. But for me that isn't lighting up the Serie A. Certainly not enough to quadruple his value in 10 months. Perhaps we can agree to disagree.
I have to disagree here. Rasmus is actually the striker forced to run into the channels on either flank and mostly setting up.
I’m anxiously waiting for Romano to announce here we go for Hojlund.
Who was the last Spurs player we bought? Berbatov, 15 years ago? Dealing with Levy is not easy and there's a reason we avoid this route.
Weird that the ducker article from earlier has now been deleted…
Disclaimer here, I have not watched Atalanta myself. But if you watch his interview which I linked, he says himself that he plays mostly the classic hold-up #9 role while Lookman is the one dribbling and exploring space in the channels and providing the assists. Which also tallies up with Lookman having more than double assists per 90' than Hojlund.
He has 13 goals and assists in 20 games worth of minutes in Serie A.
You’ve set this bar of lighting up the league but you’ve just proven he can link up with lesser players and bring the best out of his attacking partner while having a big impact on his own. He isn’t some bollard up top, he’s able to be the 9 for a team who wants to play forward, attacking play.
Your stats aren’t proving what you think they’re proving
He did a job, albeit one that didn’t involve scoring many goals.
As a collective though we still achieved what we were aiming for, and if it wasn’t for key injuries we prove would have done more.
Even stats are subjective. I can also make the exact opposite claim using the same stats and in my opinion it's more correct than yours.
I set the bar for lighting up the Serie A because in my opinion that's what's required to quadruple a players value in 10 months. What would your bar be for such a dramatic increase in such a short time? And you yourself claimed that he did light it up, I didn't put those words in your mouth. I personally don't think he did.
You also just claimed he proved he can link up with lesser players, but it's hard to justify that between Lookman and him it's Lookman who is the lesser player here. It's again an opinion based on very little evidence. If anyone lit up the league in that duo, it looks like Lookman was the one.
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