Even if there is, don't the UK work permit requirements make it difficult to sign South American players who don't have EU passports or sufficient international experience?
Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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Thanks to Brexit, it's difficult to sign anyone that doesn't play for their national team on a regular basis.
It was already a massive problem with non-EU players pre-Brexit. I remember we missed out on a lot of good talent in the SAF years because of it.
Yeah it's something along the lines of they have to have played 70% of national games for their country in the last 2 years to get a permit. Doesn't have to be full first team, can be youth teams also I think but obviously they get swapped and changed around a lot at younger age levels.
Yeah, the rules have been strict for British clubs for a while compared to the kind of (young) talent teams from other European countries can sign.
But haven't the rules lessened a later from this summer, allowing PL and Championship clubs to sign up to 4 players who wouldn't meet the current requirements for a work permit?
But haven't the rules lessened a later from this summer, allowing PL and Championship clubs to sign up to 4 players who wouldn't meet the current requirements for a work permit?
That sounds right - I remember it was an issue when we signed Anderson as he didn't have enough caps at any age group, thus the initial application was rejected. Ended up getting special dispensation due to the transfer fee and his enormous potential or something like that, which just goes to show you how arbitrary and inconsistently applied some of these rules are.
I think we also had to argue that the reason for lack of caps was due to the broken leg he sustained.
I wish all the scouts in this thread worked for the club. If Hojlund is just a shit Nunez or a very shit Lukaku as you say can you please advise ETH and the recruitment team to stop trying to sign him, they clearly don't have your ball knowledge and could do with the expert advice
It's actually ridiculous
if you're not as talented as Agüero was at 19, they're instantly shit and has the touch of a donkeyI'm alright with a Nunez comparison. I don't think Nunez is that bad. Scored some goals, missed loads of goals but the flip side is if he gets on a streak of getting into those positions and nets a fraction more of the chances he'll get numbers. Also has great pace and physicality. Plus Nunez is 24 and this fella is 20. An absolute baby for an out and out striker. It wouldn't be the end of the world if he performed like Nunez's debut season at Liverpool at all. The disappointment for Liverpool would be that they paid a heck of a lot more than Hojlund looks set to cost and he's older.
80m gbp based on nunez
Left won’t sell to us unless we offer 125m gbp, he’s rather lose him for free. Vlahovic quoted for 85m, rkm will be 70-80m.I get that that is ‘highlights’ to support a narrative, but he looks clumsy as feck here.
We don’t need a project, we need a finished proven striker. If they are going to insist on £85m we should look elsewhere. It’s only a small jump to a fee that might make Levy reconsider, or could land us a RKM, a Vlahovan Abraham or the like.
I’m still not sure why we weren’t in for free transfers like Thuram. Would have taken the pressure off and we could have been more selective in our search for a top striker.
At this rate Marcus will be doing it all on his own again next term. Somebody get on the blower and check what Wout is doing…..
Anyone suggesting Felix is a maniac, he would cost an absolute fortune to get on loan and has done nothing in years. You’d be better going with sancho as a false 9 if you are doing that and he looked crap there
Surely 85m is better spent on Vlahovic than Hojlund?
very good young player with big potential but right now we need world class out and out goal scorer.. 25 goal per season plus type and he isn’t that yet. A lack of goals from a number 9 is going to cost us massively when you got haaland scoring 35 goals
What's so good about Vlahovic? He hasn't been what he was cracked up to be at Juventus. If he hasn't reached expectation in the country he first broke through what hope for him being great at Man United in the PL?
I much prefer Hojlund. I'd prefer an unknown quantity where the ceiling isn't certain to a known quantity that looks to be quite ordinary several years further in development.May as well take the gamble and trust ETH's eye and ability to coach improvement for my money.
If we can't have best in class then go for a talent that maybe can be one day. I don't want to see a weird half way house that just meanders about.
If the 85m price tag is true they can shag off.
That’s Weghorst mate. Are you being sarcastic? If yes, great job.
Whilst I agree at this stage £80m represents far too much of a risk, especially when we were originally quoted £50m. He’ll probably now end up being Seria A’s top scorer next season, netting 25+ goals, then be bought by City or Real for £100m.
Is this where we muppets all camp once Onana is done? Getting a striker is a must before the season starts.
They must be kicking themselves for not throwing the extra money at Bellingham and Haaland a few years ago to force the signings. We’d be title challenging now if we had
If they think he has that sort of potential, they can’t afford another miss
This is a fair point
They must be kicking themselves for not throwing the extra money at Bellingham and Haaland a few years ago to force the signings. We’d be title challenging now if we had
If they think he has that sort of potential, they can’t afford another miss
When has he turned any of that talent into productive output??
The problem is people are asking why we aren’t buying the next big thing, as strikers are in short supply and our scouting is shit. Yet it must mean all clubs as no one has been able to identify unknown quantity strikers from any top team. Bayern, Milan, Madrid, barca, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, no one is unearthing hidden 20m strikers. Madrid just bought a 60m wonder kid ffs from Brazil.
Harry Kane’t.
For £80m Atalanta can suck Ten Hag nuts to go with it. These clubs think we are mugs with open cheque books with their valuations, feck off with your £85m cnuts. Better off going for Halaand's ugly cousin and hoping he will bang in goals for us .
Surely in world football there are Cfwd players who we can get before their big club move and fit the bill ffs. We got Hernandez from Mexico ffs, are there no scouts who have the work in them to go out and watch football matches in person the old fashion way, seems the world has gotten alot smaller for players than before and the targets are few and far between.
.Surely in world football there are Cfwd players who we can get before their big club move and fit the bill ffs. We got Hernandez from Mexico ffs, are there no scouts who have the work in them to go out and watch football matches in person the old fashion way, seems the world has gotten alot smaller for players than before and the targets are few and far between.
Anyone use Smarterscout to find targets?
Mentally for him, being worth over £60m, never mind £80m will do him absolutely no favours.
It's because clubs are richer now and alot don't feel the pressure to sell on the cheap like they used to. I personally think the 85mill thing is BS.. but he's 20, has talent, is signed to a long contract, in a striker market that is overinflated and multiple big teams are looking for one. Atalanta are entitled to ask for whatever they want because they likely don't even want to sell him... soFor £80m Atalanta can suck Ten Hag nuts to go with it. These clubs think we are mugs with open cheque books with their valuations, feck off with your £85m cnuts. Better off going for Halaand's ugly cousin and hoping he will bang in goals for us
Surely in world football there are Cfwd players who we can get before their big club move and fit the bill ffs. We got Hernandez from Mexico ffs, are there no scouts who have the work in them to go out and watch football matches in person the old fashion way, seems the world has gotten alot smaller for players than before and the targets are few and far between.
No way we are negotiating with them if the price is 85m. We are haggling for every player this summer and rightly so even if the price is 5m -10m higher in our valuation. No chance we are still going for him if Atlanta are seeking such ridiculous fee.
I think this is correct, if they even uttered 85m I'd hope we would simply say we are so far away in valuation that it would not be a good use of time to continue negotiations and move on.
Interesting video. It does look like he is feeding off scraps and he's isolated here though. Most of those touches are with his back against goal and with several defenders in his vicinity with little support.
Perhaps he should be shielding and holding the ball better rather than trying to take in stride/on the half turn but not too overly concerned as he won't be in those situations too often if he comes here.
If this is a reliable report, we need to move on. Hojlund has potential, but he hasn't done enough to warrant even a 50m price tag.
Not sure what people are expecting with this kid and why anyone wants him as our main striker. It's not like he is an Mbappe youngster tearing teams up.
He may be talented and may have a great future but he'd likely be another Antony type purchase with our fans on his back in season 1. We need to bring in at least 1 forward with a proven record and definitely not spend too much on this lad as it wouldn't be fair to him nor would it likely take us to the next level.
For £80m Atalanta can suck Ten Hag nuts to go with it. These clubs think we are mugs with open cheque books with their valuations, feck off with your £85m cnuts. Better off going for Halaand's ugly cousin and hoping he will bang in goals for us
Surely in world football there are Cfwd players who we can get before their big club move and fit the bill ffs. We got Hernandez from Mexico ffs, are there no scouts who have the work in them to go out and watch football matches in person the old fashion way, seems the world has gotten alot smaller for players than before and the targets are few and far between.
So you dont think every other club is doing the same, I mean at least 5 other big clubs need a striker. These are clubs with massive reach and scouting networks, and noone seems to be able to come up with anything atm. So are all these clubs completely shit at finding players? Bayern, Chelsea, Arsenal, Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, none of them seem to be able to find centre forwards, most of these are hailed as having great scouting networks by the caf?
If its 80+ they are after then I'd rather have Felix on loan tbh and wait for the market to show what it has next year. That'll allow us to get that Sofyan Ambat and maybe a ball playing CB too.
Name this proven striker, in fact you know what don't, simply go to Bayern with the info and I am sure they will pay you a fortune for your advice.
I tbh k a few of the reports have said he’s willing to hand in a transfer request so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him force a move through if this drags on for too long.
Felix is not a nine, he is lightweight, gets absolutely bullied by defenders when he plays centrally. He is not even a 10 really. If Felix is the answer why bother? Just use Sancho, he is probably more effective than Felix, will cost nothing, and is more suited to a false 9.
Pedro from flamengo perhaps.
Don't quite get the logic of this touchy response, nor the reason for being so touchy, but go for it.
That's more Juventus and Allegri's fault than it is Vlahovic. Chiesa, Cuadrado and Di Maria even spoke out about his tactics being horrible. Think it's unfair to frame him as some average striker who's shown his true colors because of one down year when he's already lit up the league while playing for Fiorentina and could do the same for us, where he actually gets the supply and coach he deserves. He's still 23, there is also room to grow. I'm okay with both and I understand why one would prefer Hojlund due to being 20 but I don't agree with your views on Vlahovic. Think his stats for Serbia reflect this as well. Even when having a down year in Allegri's horrendous system he still banged in 6 goals + 3 assists in the 7 games that he played last season for the NT. He thrives in a more attacking team, like every striker.
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