I’m not. I’m just refuting your point that ‘it would never have happened under Ferguson’. You just keep making up new arguments.
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And that is a huge injustice?
So what do you think the recordings and transcripts show? Are they fake, or made up, exaggerated, role play? Not sexual abuse and rape?
Again you are categorically wrong on the bolded. The police on the evidence they had DECIDED to charge. The CPS on that same evidence DECIDED to prosecute. Both believing the evidence stood a strong chance of securing a prosection.
Key witnesses withdrawing complaint will cause many cases to fall apart, from murder and rape to assaults and thefts, simply the way it is. Not being able to proceed does not mean innocence, does not explain away the other evidence and makes not a blind bit of difference to anyone having an opinion on MGs behaviour.
It simply means without the victim there to stand over their evidence in court, a fair trial can't happen and the matter is finished.
All of that is to do with criminal convictions though which I am not talking about at all.
Please explain, in your view, what is happening In the recordings to me and why a young woman would a) make the recording b) release it c) engage with police/CPS for a year or whatever it was before withdrawal.
Mods, please open a Mr G thread, this is getting rediculous.
In a couple of years the whole thing will die down and if not us, someone else for sure will have a £100m player on their hands. The lad is too gifted to not play for a top club ever again, and I'd like to see the young man get another chance to play in our team.
Maybe off topic but…
Two of the most famous humans ever lived would never survived as young adults in todays age and social media climate where everything is judged so black and white.
As a new leader of a broken and wounded nation Nelson Mandela used all his power and wisdom to forgive and include.
Muhammad Ali had experienced violence, racism, exclusion and all sorts of injustices to an extend that few of us can understand. Despite all the hate he the preached tolerance and compassion when he got older.
Two extraordinary human beings who had walked thru all phases of life and still had love and compassion to forgive their past. The testament of what true leaders can achieve when getting a second chance.
My grandmother once told me that the secret to find harmony in life is to love, forgive and forget. A 85 year old women born when women couldn’t vote or own property. In an age where sexual and economical violence was part of many women’s life.
I always has her words in my heart to guidance me whenever I’m unsure what’s right or wrong.
Wrongdoings come with consequences and punishments but after that a second chance is the only way forward.
What’s the alternative?
Has he asked for forgiveness? For what specifically I'd be keen to hear.
Luckily he won't have to, it's been preempted by a queue of United fans really keen on forgiving people yet to accept any guilt or explain their actions.
An entirely moral stance and not at all due to them just wanting a star talent to play for United, regardless of anything else.
Well, wouldn't you watch and cheer if Amber Heard strips naked in front of you?
I don't believe that's what her job is pal.
It's an eye opener to say the least.
I swear all three of our transfers so far have been carbon copies of each other!
40m + 20m add ons then?
Does it have to be full-time job? Anyway, the question is a bit too depp.
We set the tempo on our first buy, by finally caved-in to Chelsea's demand. It's logical for every other Club to draw inspiration from it.
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Kinda sounds like you don't care about what's clearly audible on the recording - regardless of who released it - because he can kick ball good, and for United.
Just say what you really mean though.
We aren't talking about criminal convictions, that isn't the only way we hold people to account in society. I could lose my job a dozen ways that don't involve a criminal conviction, and that is even easier for someone famous/influential etc.
Not willing to offer a view on the actual content of the recording - why?
I'd urge everyone really to at least listen/read it again for yourself. It's absolutely indefensible.
We aren't talking about criminal convictions, that isn't the only way we hold people to account in society. I could lose my job a dozen ways that don't involve a criminal conviction, and that is even easier for someone famous/influential etc.
Not willing to offer a view on the actual content of the recording - why?
I'd urge everyone really to at least listen/read it again for yourself. It's absolutely indefensible.
Apparently he said the toughest defender he’s faced is Smalling. Gonna struggle in this league then…
I hope we don't use Amad as makeweight for this move, as some reports have suggested.
I want Hojlund but we should be offering Pellistri or Elanga.
Amad either stays on goes on loan in the PL.
I want Hojlund but we should be offering Pellistri or Elanga.
Amad either stays on goes on loan in the PL.
Maybe you could ask the police to throw him in an internment camp for re education and at the same time get social services to take the baby of this couple. Surely that would satisfy your end game?
If its not, then give it a rest and go and stand outside a nightclub at closing time and see how young folk speak to each other these days that is if you moral compass can cope with the shock.
As far as I was aware it wasn’t her who released the audio but someone else without her permission.
But that’s all beside the point. I don’t have to explain what ‘in my view’ is happening because thankfully we live in a world where people aren’t convicted of crimes based on my or your viewpoint based on a recording.
We have a legal system that decides that even though some of you clearly would love to dish out your own forms of vigilante justice.
I think I’m probably gonna tap out here personally because the thread has been derailed enough. I don’t know what the club will do, it’s a tough and clearly emotive issue. I only hope the people who make that decision don’t crucify him more than he already has been.
Reminder: Greenwood talk is still prohibited until the club make a decision on his future.
Smalling is a fantastic defender. He's just awful on the ball.
There’s better in this league though.
I think you are right that people should not expect him to be a starter.
But I think there is a big difference between coming from the Norwegian Eliteserie and Serie A.
I also think it is worth remembering that there is more than just his physical attributes that makes him attractive to us. He is top five in Serie A in several key metrics that usually correlates highly with scoring a lot of goals (npxg per 90 min and touches in the penalty area).
He had an npxg of 0,47 this season. In other words if he played 85-90 % of total minutes we would expect him to score 16 goals. Throw in penalties and he could have been close to twenty goals this season. In that case, there would have been a lot of competition for him and he would have been much higher rated.
You're not serious surely? How can anyone try and normalise that recording, it's sickening
Correct, every thread now infiltrated with folk wanting to give their 2 pence opinion.
Yeah he was definitely just chatting drunkenly to someone outside a club, probably the first time and she just happened to record it by mistake.
That definitely explains it all away, including the images.
Nothing to see here guys, can't judge him at all, just not fair to.
We think discussion could impact the club decision as it could bias a legal trial?
Doesn't hold any water. It's a topic that really should be discussed.
Suspect it will be soon.
In all fairness, in terms of CB’s and one on one defending there weren’t many better than him in the premier league at the time.. Smaldini was a thing at one point
Smalling has been one of the best defenders in Italy. From a purely physical defensive 1v1 point of view, there aren't many defenders as good as Smalling around. Van Djik yeah when he's fit, maybe Ruben Dias but there aren't many more.
Smalling has actually improved somewhat too at Roma, plays with more for freedom now.
Why we did we get rid of him if he’s so good? He’s suited more to a back 3 I think.
He was never a bad defender anyway, and he's very experienced now. He'd give any young striker a hard time.
His main weakness was on the ball, not off it. He wasn't press resistant at all, and wasn't a ball playing CB in any way.
I mean, we could have done with him more than the likes of Jones and Bailly. Heck, it was probably worth keeping him instead of spunking £80m on Maguire!
It also says a lot that he's actually one of the few players we've managed to move on for a decent fee in recent years.
Not actually good enough to start for us, mind you. Especially not ahead of Varane and Martinez.
Agree with that. Miles ahead of Maguire and Jones and a lot more reliable than Bailly. Don’t think he was a favourite of the managers. Was it Ole that sold him?
We got our first real 9
Bought him in the Serie A
Played him til' his toenails bled
Was the summer of '55
@Plant0x84 and the muppets in the Caf
Had a thread and posted so hard.
Brownie quit and Berbaclass got banned
We should have known the Glazers wouldn't go far
Oh, when I look back now
The sale seemed to last forever
And if I had the choice
Yeah, Osimhen would be here
Those were the worst days of my life
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