Wow! Really?!? Early on in the season he was an outlier in terms of missing big chances (I think?). Impressive if he turned it round to that extent.
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Wow! Really?!? Early on in the season he was an outlier in terms of missing big chances (I think?). Impressive if he turned it round to that extent.
In the second half of the season he had the highest conversion rate. Think it was circa 45%.
He needs to improve his instincts but I am hopeful that with Amad and Zirkzee on the pitch (ideally at the same time) we have two very adept creators who should be able to put chances on a plate, to take advantage of Hojlund's excellent finishing.
The last page or so of discussion based on two post-injury cameos has been some of the lowest quality dross I've ever read on this forum
Maybe, but I don't think it is the primary reason they're torn on him. The way he strikes the ball is ridiculous, but other than that and aerially he hasn't got much else that is superior to Højlund, so claiming he is twice the player is just hyperbole. If he was that good, he'd get picked up by other teams from DC or even this summer. Apparently Villa had rejected €40m bids. Why would any serious club bid €40m for a supposedly world class talent?
He comes with attitude problems if I understand it correctly as well, so not exactly a bonus or something we need in our squad.
Isak is a completely different matter, and he is vastly superior to both players.
What have I made up?
You are the one that makes things up.
1) You claim not many Danes rate Højlund. That is hilariously inaccurate, and you know it.
2) You claim he isn't better than his days from FCK. In FCK, he couldn't get into the team, but for United he scored 15 goals (no penalties) in his debut Premier League and Champions League season at the age of 20. Clearly you can see the difference?
3) You are implying FCK fans were more sad to see Oskarsson based on him being better than Højlund which is just wrong. They weren't sad because he didn't make the step up, but now he did. Not every player follow a linear development.
You come across as really angry and bitter, I don't know why but you genuinely seem to have a huge dislike for a player who has had only one season for us, did pretty decent and is a massive United fan. Just a weird look.
Excellent players will shine regardless of system, or they will show evidence why they are good.
I rate him, he has the tools, the injury came in a bad moment, during 1st game of pre-season so it kinda derailed him, he'll be back on form soon enough, ignore the drama in this thread.
Ah so thats why Chelsea Havertz and Arsenal Havertz are exactly the same....
It would be better if he learned how to stop hiding behind defenders.
Haavertz isn't all that really, he is useful for Aresnal but he isn't setting the world on fire.
Hes been far more than useful at Arsenal
We should get you to teach him about movement, I'm sure he'd learn a lot.
sure, and they won what with him being far more than useful?
I mean I could say players like Son and Kane are more than useful surely as they have been top quality for Spurs despite not winning anything, or someone like Watkins helping AV qualify to UCL with his goals, Haavertz didn't acheive much with Arsenal aside from coming 2nd in the league, he is useful, but he is not as important or as good as their defence, Rice, Odeegard or Saka.
Sorry for derailing the thread.
Should probably get the people paid to do it on it instead. Or we could stick our head in the sand and pretend everything is just swell.
But this has nothing to do with the argument? Havertz has been a far better player for Arsenal than he has for Chelsea. Regardless of how much they have won or not.
The problem with threads like this, in fact, the problem with the modern fan is that everyone is self serving. I don't get the impression that as United fans we back the players we sign, the manager we sign, etc because they are United and all of our goals are for the team to succeed, regardless of who is filling those roles. There are a few players we have signed in the last few years that I didn't particularly want, and some haven't worked out, but as a United fan the moment a player signs for United my goals and their goals align, success, and we are in it together until we aren't. And even the ones that failed, what do I get by pointing out they failed? Nothing, we just move forward and try again, because the reality is about 50% of signings fail.
With the modern fan, and it's probably just a certain section of those fans, the priority is player. I don't read this thread of rather nasty criticism of a very young striker, still adapting to a league and doing it at probably the hardest club in the world to play for and think these people are giving him a fair chance and providing constructive feedback. No, I am reading the comments of the people that wanted us to sign Osimhen and wanted us to sign Laturo Martinez, etc and are bitter we choose someone over their favorite player, and they will look for every opportunity to find evidence to back their claim, every mistake or shortcoming is magnified as proof these fans were right and everyone who wanted Hojlund was wrong.
The Ugarte thread is similar, although much more egregious, I have never seen the kind of vitriol directed towards a brand-new signing before he's barely had a chance, and reading these horrible comments and then reading these "fans" try to justify why they can completely judge a player and write him off because of less than 200 mins of football. Again, these aren't proper United fans, these are Onana fans and Neves fans and we didn't sign their dream player and now we have to spend the next 4 or 5 years watching them look for every morsel of evidence to try and prove themselves right.
With the modern fan, and it's probably just a certain section of those fans, the priority is player. I don't read this thread of rather nasty criticism of a very young striker, still adapting to a league and doing it at probably the hardest club in the world to play for and think these people are giving him a fair chance and providing constructive feedback. No, I am reading the comments of the people that wanted us to sign Osimhen and wanted us to sign Laturo Martinez, etc and are bitter we choose someone over their favorite player, and they will look for every opportunity to find evidence to back their claim, every mistake or shortcoming is magnified as proof these fans were right and everyone who wanted Hojlund was wrong.
The Ugarte thread is similar, although much more egregious, I have never seen the kind of vitriol directed towards a brand-new signing before he's barely had a chance, and reading these horrible comments and then reading these "fans" try to justify why they can completely judge a player and write him off because of less than 200 mins of football. Again, these aren't proper United fans, these are Onana fans and Neves fans and we didn't sign their dream player and now we have to spend the next 4 or 5 years watching them look for every morsel of evidence to try and prove themselves right.
He’s a quality squad player and youngster with good potential
As so often is the case with us, the problem was his price tag and our unbalanced squad planning
As so often is the case with us, the problem was his price tag and our unbalanced squad planning
No, because you just called Højlund Bebe mk.2 like it was an opinion up for discussion.
Opinions are like arseholes mate, we all have them, except yours seem to be particularly covered in shit.
If you want me to take you seriously then offer something serious to discuss.
I don’t need/want you to take me seriously. You’re irrelevant.
I additionally said I used Bebe as an example due to sharing similar physical traits. I could’ve picked a plethora of our failed strikers.
I want Hojlund to succeed. I just think he’s not good enough, and certainly not for the outlay. I’m within my rights to have that opinion. I’m of no doubt there is players I rate, that you do not. Opinions, arseholes, and all that.
I think it's pretty much because you made a stupid and deliberately inflammatory comparison with a player who was clearly not United's standard. Bebe scored 2 goals for us. Hojlund scored 16 in a dysfunctional team in his first season.
Lukaku MK2? Perhaps a fair comparison. His touch needs work and there are real questions on whether he can push on to be a truly high level striker. But Bebe is just a silly thing designed to rile people up. It isn't a real or serious contribution to the debate.
There is no doubt that Hojlund, even if he wasn't successful here, could go back to Italy or France or Germany and be a 20-25 goal per season striker (minimum) in his prime. I think he'd probably bang in 30 in Portugal like the new hotness Gyokeres too. Whether he can do that in the PL remains to be seen.
Yeah Hojlund scored 16 last season while Havertz who played so many games only scored 14 and didn't win a single trophy.
Fair enough, he did better at Arsenal as a player.
On Rasmus though, I still think his potential is great, and I think his ability will shine regardless of the manager or style being played.
I think he's got decent potential to be a consistent top-end midtable forward.
The killer for Rasmus in all of this debate is the price tag. If he had cost say £30m it would have been seen as a good investment on future potential.
For £70m + you're looking for finished article, or pretty damn close to it. And he definitely isn't that yet!
For £70m + you're looking for finished article, or pretty damn close to it. And he definitely isn't that yet!
He has what two sub appearances and this place is already writing him off. This place is fecking toxic.
He’s at the right club then.
Well he played for us last season and he did ok-ish in my opinion. My main concern is his lack of technical ability. But not his fault that we made him first choice striker wo much top league/PL experience.
Is he ready to start? Not sure
Players with a first touch as bad as his simply don't become world class. The best he can hope for is becoming a Lukaku level striker in my opinion.
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Lukaku gets a lot of flak but he’s a striker who regularly hit 20+ goals a season in his pomp, even if Rasmus is like him but with a better attitude it will be money well spent.
Does he have a bad first touch? Genuinely can't say I've ever noticed that, even as someone who knows his current limits.
Still think people are very harsh on him. His debut season was spearheading a woeful team, with no other striker and even then he managed some genuinely top class goals. Right and left footed, and the goal against galatasaray all show his range, and his performance away at Luton where he scored 2 scrappy ones while being kicked and manhandled for 90 minutes show his physicality. Im surprised there's so much negativity really, I think he'll kick on this season
I only noticed it last game, ball came into him middle of the park and almost went out for a throw in.
Only time I've picked up on it though.
He's got a very inconsistent first touch at least, and you can argue that makes it bad. We've seen some decent technique out of him, but also some very poor technique.
Looking forward to seeing him, when he's fully fit again. Hopefully in a team that can create some chances.
Lukaku at his age was a much better player than Hojlund and he scored many more goals playing for much worse teams. 12/13 Lukaku was below 20 yo and scored 17 for WBA in the league. 13/14 he got 15 league goals for Everton. 23/24 Hojlund with a very similar amount of minutes got 10 goals at United. So yeah, I agree he can hope to be a Lukaku level striker. It would be a huge achievement for Rasmus to ever achieve it and I honestly don’t think it will happen
Not a fair comparison. Lukaku was a physical specimen at his age, and was early developed and ready to play men's football. To put it into perspective, Lukaku at 18-20 was a better player than Luis Suarez, Lewandowski, van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Falcao and Cavani at the same age and scored much more goals than them despite playing in a tougher league, but would you say Lukaku ended up the better player?
Players don't follow a linear development (hello Vardy), and it is impossible to predict how good he will be. He could regress because of confidence, or he could absolutely explode. The thing is that he has the tools; pace, strength, finishing, two-footed, hold-up and ability to create for himself. What he needs to work on is better, consistent movement, aerial duels and ignoring defenders instead of fighting with them. Harry Kane mastered this with experience.
I don’t know it’s such an unfair comparison considering many here (and our scouting team too) assumed that Hojlund is the best, or among the best, young strikers available and he was bought for an enormous amount with a first team place in mind. I think it’s more fair to compare him to Lukaku - young very promising striker going for a big amount and expected to perform at the young age - than to put him in Vardy/Kane category, who cost zero (or almost zero) and were never really treated by their clubs as “this guy will lead our line for a decade”. It’s ok when your academy player explodes or becomes a late bloomer, but if you buy a young striker to be the main attacking force the argument “well maybe he’ll be a late bloomer and come good in 5 years” doesn’t really work
Forming partnership takes time. I hope JZ and Hojlund develope one.
It is unfair because you put different expectations for him for reasons he can't do anything about. He can't magically be a better player with more experience because we were shit at negotiating. He should have an older, better striker to learn from. He doesn't, so if anything, it is actually impressive the way he is handling the pressure and still maintaining a good level. He has literally just returned from an injury, so he needs to get some rhythm going.
Still not sure about him. But in the short cameos he had this season, he looked so far off