Rashford vs Iheanacho

Robbie Boy said:
Well yeah because Rashford has played probably double the games this this season.
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Maybe because his overall game is miles ahead of Iheanacho that allows him to stay in the side when better goal scorers are starting up front?
The strike against Iheanacho was always the fact he was just a finisher. Nothing much else.
 
Zoo said:
Iheanacho is the forgotten man there and Pep never gets questioned about it.
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Pep gets away with most things. Mourinho is lambasted for not playing youngsters, but stats will tell you he plays youngsters a helluva lot more than Pep does at their current clubs.
 
Rossa said:
Pep gets away with most things. Mourinho is lambasted for not playing youngsters, but stats will tell you he plays youngsters a helluva lot more than Pep does at their current clubs.
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He's the new media darling like Klopp once was.
 
I brought this up in another thread and some very reasonable City fans didn't seem all that happy about it.. If things don't go according to plan at City Pep will get called out for this..
Back to Rashers he has gotten better and stronger this season. Mou playing him out wide has added another dimension to his overall game. Think Mou has handled him very well and he speaks highly off him..
 
cyberman said:
Maybe because his overall game is miles ahead of Iheanacho that allows him to stay in the side when better goal scorers are starting up front?
The strike against Iheanacho was always the fact he was just a finisher. Nothing much else.
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Or perhaps it's because he has Aguero and Jesus ahead of him?
 
Ihaenacho is going to leave City eventually and someone is going to get a very good striker. Pep's treatment of him has been nothing short of bizarre.

Yet Jose get's called out over Shaw.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He's the new media darling like Klopp once was.
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It would certainly seem that way. Although, Conte seems to be the one who gets away with most things. His behaviour from the bench is nothing short of ridiculous at times, yet Mourinho is awarded a seat in the stands for kicking a water bottle, yet Conte can run straight over two inches from the fourth referee's face giving him a proper scolding without any repercussions. It's borderline ridiculous.
 
I thought pep was supposed to be great for him and Mourinho would kill Rashford?
 
balaks said:
Or perhaps it's because he has Aguero and Jesus ahead of him?
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Yes, because a January signing who's had 7 starts throughout the season is responsible for Kelechi's not playing(and looking for a loan exit).
 
Rossa said:
It would certainly seem that way. Although, Conte seems to be the one who gets away with most things. His behaviour from the bench is nothing short of ridiculous at times, yet Mourinho is awarded a seat in the stands for kicking a water bottle, yet Conte can run straight over two inches from the fourth referee's face giving him a proper scolding without any repercussions. It's borderline ridiculous.
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Pep was said to usher a new generation of homegrown Man City academy players. Conte was supposed to revitalise all those careers of young players of Chelsea which Jose has grossly mismanaged. Rashford was supposed to be ushered out on loan somewhere. None of that has happened.

Given the fact that Kelechi is unhappy and Tosin(one of their best prospect) is looking to leave plus Guardiola will spend more than 150m in the summer, how on earth is he different from Jose?
 
KM said:
Yes, because a January signing who's had 7 starts throughout the season is responsible for Kelechi's not playing(and looking for a loan exit).
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He is quite clearly behind those two players, not sure what you are getting at. He had Aguero in front of him before Jesus came - Aguero is the best striker in the league remember.
 
balaks said:
He is quite clearly behind those two players, not sure what you are getting at. He had Aguero in front of him before Jesus came - Aguero is the best striker in the league remember.
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He was not behind Jesus before January or during the fact when he was injured for two month.
 
KM said:
Pep was said to usher a new generation of homegrown Man City academy players. Conte was supposed to revitalise all those careers of young players of Chelsea which Jose has grossly mismanaged. Rashford was supposed to be ushered out on loan somewhere. None of that has happened.

Given the fact that Kelechi is unhappy and Tosin(one of their best prospect) is looking to leave plus Guardiola will spend more than 150m in the summer, how on earth is he different from Jose?
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Surely he is different to Jose - Jose is proving to play youngsters and Pep is not.

That being said, I think Mourinho should have used TFM more and possibly Tuanzebe as well.
 
balaks said:
You have neglected to acknowledge Aguero.
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and you've also neglected to acknowledge the fact that for a club like City who hope to win every trophy that they compete for, it's pure stupidity to just rely on one striker, like they did for (August-January). Kelechi not playing is only cos of one reason and that is Pep just doesn't rate him. All that bullshit that he's behind Aguero etc just doesn't wash. Rashford has Ibra in front of him and yet started a lot of games for us and that was because Mourinho rated him as a player and trusted him to do well even at an unfamiliar position.
 
maybe Pep doesn't rate him.

Hopefully he'll just go on loan for a season or two and see how he does, i'd be well pissed off if we just sold him
 
KM said:
Pep was said to usher a new generation of homegrown Man City academy players. Conte was supposed to revitalise all those careers of young players of Chelsea which Jose has grossly mismanaged. Rashford was supposed to be ushered out on loan somewhere. None of that has happened.

Given the fact that Kelechi is unhappy and Tosin(one of their best prospect) is looking to leave plus Guardiola will spend more than 150m in the summer, how on earth is he different from Jose?
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It's a lot easier to bring through a young player when others do the hard work for you in Germany,Spain etc. The big clubs all have second teams where young players get experience. The second team does a lot of the hard work for the manager.

Lot harder in the PL. Pep,Conte etc are finding this out.
 
thegregster said:
It's a lot easier to bring through a young player when others do the hard work for you in Germany,Spain etc. The big clubs all have second teams where young players get experience. The second team does a lot of the hard work for the manager.

Lot harder in the PL. Pep,Conte etc are finding this out.
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How many academy youngsters did he promote throughout his Bayern period? How many did Conte promote at Juventus?
 
balaks said:
He is quite clearly behind those two players, not sure what you are getting at. He had Aguero in front of him before Jesus came - Aguero is the best striker in the league remember.
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Even on the few occasions both were missing, he did not start.
 
KM said:
and you've also neglected to acknowledge the fact that for a club like City who hope to win every trophy that they compete for, it's pure stupidity to just rely on one striker, like they did for (August-January). Kelechi not playing is only cos of one reason and that is Pep just doesn't rate him. All that bullshit that he's behind Aguero etc just doesn't wash. Rashford has Ibra in front of him and yet started a lot of games for us and that was because Mourinho rated him as a player and trusted him to do well even at an unfamiliar position.
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You are going off on a tangent a bit - all I was doing was responding to a guy who thought Rashford was by far the better player because he plays more games for Utd. Pep obviously doesnt think he is better than Jesus or Aguero but that doesnt prove anything in a Rashford/Kelechi discussion.
 
The issue for Iheanacho is that he isn't as versatile as Rashford (plus City have likes of Sane/Sterling on the wings).. so the latter has been getting games on the wing, and still developing whereas the former can only play at CF.. and he has to compete with Aguero (whose better than Zlat imo) and Jesus (who is a worldie talent).

He needs to move asap otherwise Rashford will leave him for dust in these crucial years of development.
 
balaks said:
You are going off on a tangent a bit - all I was doing was responding to a guy who thought Rashford was by far the better player because he plays more games for Utd. Pep obviously doesnt think he is better than Jesus or Aguero but that doesnt prove anything in a Rashford/Kelechi discussion.
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Rashford, a year younger than Kelechi who has started twice as more games as him and has consistently outperformed him this season, can't still be considered as a better player because Kelechi had Jesus(who only joined in January and was injured for two months) and Aguero(who was also ahead of him last season). That's some outstanding logic.
 
An interesting thought would be to imagine if Iheanacho played for Utd and Rashford for City - would the same situation occur?
 
KM said:
Rashford, a year younger than Kelechi who has started twice as more games as him and has consistently outperformed him this season, can't still be considered as a better player because Kelechi had Jesus(who only joined in January and was injured for two months) and Aguero(who was also ahead of him last season). That's some outstanding logic.
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No, again you are getting the wrong end of the stick - I'm saying that it proves nothing - notice I havent even given an opinion on whether I think Rashford is better or worse than Kelechi at all in this thread. You have jumped to a conclusion yourself.
 
balaks said:
No, again you are getting the wrong end of the stick - I'm saying that it proves nothing - notice I havent even given an opinion on whether I think Rashford is better or worse than Kelechi at all in this thread. You have jumped to a conclusion yourself.
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You're trying to change your argument. You implied earlier that the only reason that Rashford is starting so many games as compared to Kelechi is because the latter had Jesus/Aguero in front of him and had nothing to do with the fact that Rashford is more well rounded as a player.
 
KM said:
How many academy youngsters did he promote throughout his Bayern period? How many did Conte promote at Juventus?
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tbf the Bayern academy is pretty average, City hammered them a few times in the kids Champions League thing
 
KM said:
How many academy youngsters did he promote throughout his Bayern period? How many did Conte promote at Juventus?
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Close to 0. I have made few points regarding this, Pep promoted few players at Barca, he knew those players if I'm not wrong. He coached them when he was Barca B manager so he promoted them. At Bayern and City I don't think anyone is promoted to first team.

Also Iheanacho played 500 mins in PL, that's very poor. For so called youth savior that's a poor record and people can't wait to write their excuses.

Conte should be completely ignore. His record is very poor. Makes Jose look like Van Gaal.

But this shouldn't be used as stick to beat top managers. They are employed to win, not to play youngsters.
 
KM said:
You're trying to change your argument. You implied earlier that the only reason that Rashford is starting so many games as compared to Kelechi is because the latter had Jesus/Aguero in front of him and had nothing to do with the fact that Rashford is more well rounded as a player.
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Whether Rashford plays more games for Utd than Kelechi does for City is not an argument about who is the better player - all that proves is that Jose likes Rashford more than Pep likes Kelechi - it's not something to rate their talents by.
 
roonster09 said:
Close to 0. I have made few points regarding this, Pep promoted few players at Barca, he knew those players if I'm not wrong. He coached them when he was Barca B manager so he promoted them. At Bayern and City I don't think anyone is promoted to first team.

Also Iheanacho played 500 mins in PL, that's very poor. For so called youth savior that's a poor record and people can't wait to write their excuses.

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Aleix Garcia started at Boro last week and has had small run outs here and there, before going overboard I think we need to see what the outcome is once he's gone then stick the knife in if it's justified.
 
balaks said:
Whether Rashford plays more games for Utd than Kelechi does for City is not an argument about who is the better player - all that proves is that Jose likes Rashford more than Pep likes Kelechi - it's not something to rate their talents by.
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Disagree. You can't ignore the fact that Rashford is more complete player at the moment and thus ensures him more minutes compared to Kelechi.
 
balaks said:
Whether Rashford plays more games for Utd than Kelechi does for City is not an argument about who is the better player - all that proves is that Jose likes Rashford more than Pep likes Kelechi - it's not something to rate their talents by.
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Right. So how does one exactly rate who's a better player right now? Two players playing at a similar age for a similar levels of team competing with similar level of talents. One has been consigned to bench while other is deciding matches for his team in a European competition
 
Thunderhead said:
Aleix Garcia started at Boro last week and has had small run outs here and there, before going overboard I think we need to see what the outcome is once he's gone then stick the knife in if it's justified.
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Alex Garcia already played for Villarreal senior team before moving to City. He moved as a 18 year old, so I don't think he will count as academy player.
 
balaks said:
An interesting thought would be to imagine if Iheanacho played for Utd and Rashford for City - would the same situation occur?
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Good point, I think Rashford is more of a Pep striker than Ihenacho, I can see him contributing more in a defensive phase due to his pace and stamine moreso than Ihenacho.
 
balaks said:
You are going off on a tangent a bit - all I was doing was responding to a guy who thought Rashford was by far the better player because he plays more games for Utd. Pep obviously doesnt think he is better than Jesus or Aguero but that doesnt prove anything in a Rashford/Kelechi discussion.
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I was saying Rashfords ability allows him to play in multiple positions to a high level. Iheanacho simply can't so he sits on the bench even when Nolito and pre January Sane failed time and time again.
Pep has also decided to try and fit Aguero and Jesus into a front two so he can accommodate two strikers which Pep didn't think was necessary even when Iheancaho was looking for game time and were struggling to break teams down at home
 
KM said:
Right. So how does one exactly rate who's a better player right now? Two players playing at a similar age for a similar levels of team competing with similar level of talents. One has been consigned to bench while other is deciding matches for his team in a European competition.
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I think it's a strange way to judge talents against each other tbh - let's see what happens in the summer and if Kelechi moves (which I expect him to) and gets regular football somewhere. Then you can judge them both as players fairly and based on talent not based on appearances. I'd like to add that I think Rashford is at least as good as him (though Kelechi is a more natural goal scorer imho) and has undoubtably had a much better season for obvious reasons but they are both kids and need more time to prove themselves and see how they develop as players.
 
Well, there are moans on blue moon about their youngsters not getting chances. So it can just be our invention
 
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