Rashford | Villa | Loan with option to buy

[Red in STL]

What would you do when the player is not being honest with you? Amorim asked him if he went out before the Everton game, he said he didn't. Later again he apparently appeared fatigued in training and it seems he out the day before training again. Pretty sure they have tried everything they can to deal with this internally. He had previous episodes of being unprofessional with ETH too, remember the Belfast nightout where he was out until 3 am in the morning and then called in sick for training? Or oversleeping to the point where you were late to a team meeting? Or the team leaks.

Now under Amorim it appeared to be the last straw and he all along said Rashford will be back in the team if he changed his ways. That comment about picking his coach was made after weeks of being left out at which point it appeared as a last resort sort of comment from Amorim to help Rashford change. He dropped Garnacho at the same time and he was back in the team very soon. If anything Rashford has shown clearly he doesn't care about improving or helping his boyhood club. In his eyes, Rashford thinks he does nothing wrong even after years of underperformance and laziness on the pitch.





https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6035672/2025/02/01/marcus-rashford-manchester-united-missing/

Not defending Rashford here, but firstly, you don't need to go out to be fatigued in training, for all we know he could have been doing a marathon wank/shag session at home, secondly, in this day and age of mobile phone cameras, unless those reports came with pictures they don't hold any credence IMO

 

[saik]

You don’t devalue your player by making negative comments in public. Can you answer what the benefit of Amorim’s comments were?

Of course to lit a fire under Rashford's ass and to get him to perform for us because we are the ones paying 300k odd every week? To get an apparent local lad doing his best for his apparent boyhood club? They tried to deal with it internally and it didn't work for the last couple of years and this was the final straw. Aston Villa have an option to buy for £40m and I'd say that's surprisingly high. Do you think we were getting more than that for him based on his performances for the last few years? Even ignoring all this talk about Amorim's comments, any club who has been paying attention knows how Rashford has been performing on the pitch. No one is going to pay any serious money for him and we were always going to get punts like this loan now.

 

[Isotope]

I'm extremely frustrated with Rashford and very sad by how things have turned out. That doesn't mean I think the club should be asking him to reduce his wages. When has this ever happened?

I think when we sold Sanchez, he had to take a paycut. Then when we tried to sell Maguire to West Ham where he had to take paycut, and Maguire wanted us to supplement the difference but United didn't want to. It's pretty similar condition.

 

[saik]

Not defending Rashford here, but firstly, you don't need to go out to be fatigued in training, for all we know he could have been doing a marathon wank/shag session at home, secondly, in this day and age of mobile phone cameras, unless those reports came with pictures they don't hold any credence IMO

True, you don't need to go out to be fatigued. But, I wouldn't put it past him that he went drinking the night before and woke up hungover and fatigued on training day. He has the history for it.

 

[acnumber9]

Of course to lit a fire under Rashford's ass and to get him to perform for us because we are the ones paying 300k odd every week? To get an apparent local lad doing his best for his apparent boyhood club? They tried to deal with it internally and it didn't work for the last couple of years and this was the final straw. Aston Villa have an option to buy for £40m and I'd say that's surprisingly high. Do you think we were getting more than that for him based on his performances for the last few years? Even ignoring all this talk about Amorim's comments, any club who has been paying attention knows how Rashford has been performing on the pitch. No one is going to pay any serious money for him and we were always going to get punts like this loan now.

I’m not sure public humiliation is the best motivator.

 

[acnumber9]

I think when we sold Sanchez, he had to take a paycut. Then when we tried to sell Maguire to West Ham where he had to take paycut, and Maguire wanted us to supplement the difference but United didn't want to. It's pretty similar condition.

I’m pretty sure he left with a payoff. Whether that fully offset any cut is anybody’s guess.

 

[JJ12]

I’m not sure public humiliation is the best motivator.

Depends what other tactics they tried beforehand to get him motivated, whatever they were failed.

 

[acnumber9]

Depends what other tactics they tried beforehand to get him motivated, whatever they were failed.

And so did this. I think it’s more likely that Amorim can’t hold his water than it being a motivation technique.

 

[RedSky]

He's been fecking terrible for us since the 7-0 defeat to Liverpool. Who honestly gives a feck at this point.

 

[Red in STL]

True, you don't need to go out to be fatigued. But, I wouldn't put it past him that he went drinking the night before and woke up hungover and fatigued on training day. He has the history for it.

Drinking at home certainly is a possibility, but you also insinuated that he lied to Amorin about going out, unless there were pictures backing that up then I still put little credence in that, Rashford is in the spotlight, I find it hard to think he could be out in a bar/club/whatever without there being photos or video

 

[Isotope]

I’m pretty sure he left with a payoff. Whether that fully offset any cut is anybody’s guess.

Don't guess. Googled a bit and there's this:

It is understood Sanchez has received between £5m and £7m following his departure from Old Trafford, although those close to the deal on the United side are describing it as a "small pay-off".

Sanchez would have earned £40m over the next two years if he had stayed, but is now set to earn around £28m over the next three years in Milan.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...forward Alexis Sanchez,560k-per-week contract.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

I think when we sold Sanchez, he had to take a paycut. Then when we tried to sell Maguire to West Ham where he had to take paycut, and Maguire wanted us to supplement the difference but United didn't want to. It's pretty similar condition.

So, nothing like this situation, then?

 

[JJ12]

And so did this. I think it’s more likely that Amorim can’t hold his water than it being a motivation technique.

Yes it did, a player that clearly couldn't get motivated to train properly for his club.

 

[Isotope]

So, nothing like this situation, then?

"nothing like this situation"? If you say so.

 

[sepulturite]

The weird defending of Rashford in any way at all continues in here I see.

 

[spwd]

A multi millionaire getting over £300,000 per week (before all the sponsorship, etc) has been asked by billlionaires to give some of that...

If we're going to play the finance cards when discussing 'billionaire' owners v 'working class' fans, let's not ignore that we're also talking about multi millionaire footballers as well. They're far more like the owners than the fans when it comes to wealth and lavish lifestyle, so we're talking about incredibly wealthy people all round having a squabble about money that both sides should have more than enough of. Not just one side. It's just the PSR rules that are the underlying issues leading to the request, as that could really help the club with the red tape rules - not because either side desperately need that comparatively small amount of money for their personal accounts.

Well said.

 

[Hammondo]

You don’t devalue your player by making negative comments in public. Can you answer what the benefit of Amorim’s comments were?

So he's more likely to piss off. He's more likely to accept what he can if he wants to play football again, because he's never going to play here again.

That's the benefit.

 

[acnumber9]

Don't guess. Googled a bit and there's this:

It is understood Sanchez has received between £5m and £7m following his departure from Old Trafford, although those close to the deal on the United side are describing it as a "small pay-off".

Sanchez would have earned £40m over the next two years if he had stayed, but is now set to earn around £28m over the next three years in Milan.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...forward Alexis Sanchez,560k-per-week contract.

I’m not sure I would trust a source that thinks £560k a week over two years is £40m.

 

[Hammondo]

I’m not sure public humiliation is the best motivator.

Motivate him to leave? Might be the best option.

 

[acnumber9]

So he's more likely to piss off. He's more likely to accept what he can if he wants to play football again, because he's never going to play here again.

That's the benefit.

And that couldn’t be achieved by telling him in person?

 

[Marwood]

He's been fecking terrible for us since the 7-0 defeat to Liverpool. Who honestly gives a feck at this point.

His form collapsed the second half of Ole's last full season. To my mind anyway. Punctuated by that 10 week goalscoring spell that came out of nowhere and abruptly ended.

 

[Hammondo]

And that couldn’t be achieved by telling him in person?

Maybe he did, and he wasn't taking it. Putting it in public is more final, more unavoidable. Can't live in denial the same when it's in the media directly.

 

[acnumber9]

Maybe he did, and he wasn't taking it. Putting it in public is more final, more unavoidable. Can't live in denial the same when it's in the media directly.

And maybe Amorim made a mistake.

 

[Hammondo]

And maybe Amorim made a mistake.

How so?

 

[acnumber9]

How so?

Because publicly humiliating your players is a pretty bad idea. If this is how he motivates players it’s no great surprise results are as they are.

 

[Hammondo]

Because publicly humiliating your players is a pretty bad idea. If this is how he motivates players it’s no great surprise results are as they are.

You haven't answered my question really. If he wants rid of him, how is it a mistake?

You wrote nothing really.

 

[acnumber9]

You haven't answered my question really. If he wants rid of him, how is it a mistake?

You wrote nothing really.

It’s lucky I’m not really here to answer to you. I’ve said why I think it was a mistake. These statements don’t happen in a vacuum. Other players can see he has no issue making a mockery of them. Better we just leave it here I think.

 

[Hammondo]

It’s lucky I’m not really here to answer to you. I’ve said why I think it was a mistake. These statements don’t happen in a vacuum. Other players can see he has no issue making a mockery of them. Better we just leave it here I think.

Actually you have not said much of anything.

Yes they don't happen in a vacuum, which is maybe why he said it, it's a strong message to the other players. Seems to have worked well with Garnacho.

 

[acnumber9]

Actually you have not said much of anything.

Yes they don't happen in a vacuum, which is maybe why he said it, it's a strong message to the other players. Seems to have worked well with Garnacho.

And you’ve said even less. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

 

[Hammondo]

And you’ve said even less. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

I explained exactly why he might have said it and the possible benefit from it. You should be a politician, lots written and nothing said.

 

[acnumber9]

I explained exactly why he might have said it and the possible benefit from it. You should be a politician, lots written and nothing said.

And I’ve said why I think it’s a bad idea. You can go and try to antagonise somebody else now.

 

[saik]

Drinking at home certainly is a possibility, but you also insinuated that he lied to Amorin about going out, unless there were pictures backing that up then I still put little credence in that, Rashford is in the spotlight, I find it hard to think he could be out in a bar/club/whatever without there being photos or video

The article from Whitwell certainly seemed to give off that vibe. If everyone at the club believed what Rashford was saying and everything was rosy then he would have been in the team wouldn't you think?

 

[Devil81]

My sides are splitting at the ex pros who have destroyed him for months and now believe he's going to totally rediscover his form and ability.

I hope he does for everyone's benefit but the chances are he's absolutely done and he will stink out Aston Villa, if he couldn't get up for his boyhood club why would he for a club he has no feelings for.

 

[spwd]

Thank you. I was beginning to despair thinking maybe I wasn't putting my point across right.

As I see it if a club says to a player "we don't think you're right for where we want to be and feel you should look elsewhere". The player has an absolute right to say "Ok but I will only leave for the same or more money". If that doesn't happen then the player is within his rights to say "you either pay me off or pay the difference".

However if a club says "no more drinking and no shows for training and no more looking disinterested on the pitch or you don't play". They, the club, still have to pay (wrongly IMO because the player has broken the agreement) but they do so it is what it is.

The player then decides feck that I'm going elsewhere. Club say ok. Why does the player then expect the club to pay him at all never mind majority of his wages?

If anything UTD having to pay at all is NOT what would happen in "normal" corporate type jobs.

I just don't get the arguments being out forward.

Completely agree. There's only one side of this conversation that's been totally unprofessional and not actually done the job there being paid a ridiculous amount for.

 

[afrocentricity]

The weird defending of Rashford in any way at all continues in here I see.

as does the weird vilifying.... Surprised this thread is so active.

 

[spwd]

I didn’t expect Rashford to take a pay cut but if he had done , it wouldn’t be to the benefit of billionaires. It’s the benefit of the fans. Because let’s not forget that the billionaires put feck all into the club. The only people putting any money into the club is the fans and footballers aren’t your typical company employee. So I’m not remotely surprised or annoyed he said no but don’t forget he’s taking the money out of our pockets. Not Jim or the Glazers.

Yes the club shouldn’t have given him that ridiculous contract. Yes he’s entitled to all of his agreed wages. Of course he is. But it would have been a phenomenal gesture to the fans from him and made absolutely zero difference to his lifestyle.

Yup and especially after 2 years of not actually doing the job he's being paid for.

 

[golden_blunder]

Hes had his chances at United. He’s gone. Save your energies. Save your tears.

 

[spwd]

Of course to lit a fire under Rashford's ass and to get him to perform for us because we are the ones paying 300k odd every week? To get an apparent local lad doing his best for his apparent boyhood club? They tried to deal with it internally and it didn't work for the last couple of years and this was the final straw. Aston Villa have an option to buy for £40m and I'd say that's surprisingly high. Do you think we were getting more than that for him based on his performances for the last few years? Even ignoring all this talk about Amorim's comments, any club who has been paying attention knows how Rashford has been performing on the pitch. No one is going to pay any serious money for him and we were always going to get punts like this loan now.

Plus the fact we as fans don't have the access behind the scenes like other players and managers do. They I'm sure have heard of many more things about him than we'll ever know. I'd imagine it's only the tip of the iceberg considering every manager has had problems with him.
All his supporters seem to think everyone has made up all this stuff because they hate him or something.
I don't hate him at all but the way he's been the last few years after getting that stupid contract I find it disgusting.

The club asked him to take a pay cut for 4 months because we're in the shit which he's been a part of.
It would just have been nice for the multi multi millionaire to have an ounce of self awareness and help the club that's made him a multi millionaire which he apparently loves and is utd to the bone.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Then deal with it internally like professionals. We can’t slam Rashford’s professionalism when you are briefing left and right about him and you have a manager mocking him in public.

He was one of our highest paid players, kept going on about how he's United born and bred, talked more than he walked, and has done next to the bare minimum for the last couple of seasons. I'm not surprised that, as Andy Burnham noted, multiple United managers had problems with him.

Edit; finished the thread. Why have you got every benefit of the doubt for Rashford and what happened behind the scenes yet at the same time know for certain that everyone else is to blame?

 

[Ace Krampus]

Being put on a performance improvement plan (PIP) is not salary related. It’s more of a case of “perform as expected or you could face HR disciplinary up to and including dismissal”.

But personally I wouldn’t try to equate the football industry to normal jobs.

In my experience, primarily working sales for a Fortune 500 company, it means "here's an impossible series of goals that everyone knows you won't hit so don't embarrass yourself and quit rather than make us fire you and deal with you being on unemployment."