Rashford | Villa | Loan with option to buy

acnumber9 said:
Yeah but what’s happened here is that the employer has decided they don’t want the employee anymore and have asked them to take a massive paycut. That would be constructive dismissal.
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If we going to compare it to other work places then going out drinking and calling in sick gets you sacked. Walking around disinterested gets you sacked. Working elsewhere means from where you work.

As far as we know he was asked to get his act together, h threw a hissy for and said I'm leaving. The club have facilitated this but weren't willing to pay excessively for him to work elsewhere.

Me I'd have said so one. No paying a penny. You wanna go? Go and good luck with your salary.
 
Ill be honest and say I dont think he's going to change up his game and start ripping it up at Villa.

Other than maybe a slight early jump in form, I think once hes comfortable he'll go back to the usual. SImilar to Sancho.

I feel he really needed a clean break from his current life/lifestyle to revive his career. A move abroad, away from all the noise and hangers on, clear the head, that would have been perfect for him.

But moving an hour down the road? He prob will just drive up and down til the end of the season. Will still be hanging around with the same entourage he has been , and will still have the same advisors around him.. Not much pointing towards a new attitude there really
 
VP89 said:
In football? Lord knows. I'm sure conversations happen though.
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Well, if you're sure then...

I work for a global corporation, have done for almost 13 years now, I have not heard a single instance of asking someone to reduce their wages, in any of the geographies we're active in (which is irrelevent in any case as football is a very niche business where players' contracts should be seen differently considering the length of professional careers).
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Well, if you're sure then...

I work for a global corporation, have done for almost 13 years now, I have not heard a single instance of asking someone to reduce their wages, in any of the geographies we're active in (which is irrelevent in any case as football is a very niche business where players' contracts should be seen differently considering the length of professional careers).
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It happens when people are underperforming, they are presented with either 1) repositioning and facing a salary reflecting that role (similar conversation to Rashford), 2) being put on an incentive plan to get them back up to speed or 3) leaving.

In most cases when 2) is taken up it leads up to 3). The company can sack the employee without any issues since they followed the PIP process.
 
VP89 said:
When the finances have been ignored for this long to get us in a desperate state, it's most prudent to be ruthless on our operating model, so that we can support the matters on pitch at a better scale.

In this event, being corporate was exactly what we needed.

I agree that generally staff should be treated with respect but there was nothing disrespectful toward Rashford who has been dishonest unprofessional and incompetent over an extended period.
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There's nothing ruthless about that, especially when the gambit failed.

The potential impacts of this ask on current and potential players, coaches and other contracted staff are not worth the 1.5 million pounds saved, imo.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
There's nothing ruthless about that, especially when the gambit failed.

The potential impacts of this ask on current and potential players, coaches and other contracted staff are not worth the 1.5 million pounds saved, imo.
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There is no "impact" for me. It's a conversation where all cards are out in the table for options. This option was ruled out that's all.
 
VP89 said:
There is no "impact" for me. It's a conversation where all cards are out in the table for options. This option was ruled out that's all.
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It's something management can consider but they have to realize this gets out if it's asked and then they need to consider if it will cause issues going forward and if the issues will have an impact that is more or less than the cost savings.

It doesn't seem well thought out to me.
 
Roane said:
Oh come on.

No one asked him to take a pay cut for doing what he was contractually obliged to.

They simply weren't wanting to pay loads for him to go play elsewhere. Which HE wanted to do.

As I said above Roy Keane has a right to be aggrieved for not keeping on taking the money or refusing to take a pay cut but Rashford? No way
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an arbitrary mention of Keane doesn’t add validity nor does it make what you’re saying any less senseless.

I know we are football/United fans and all, but when it gets to a point when/where you’re arguing an employee should accept less than their contractually agreed terms/salary, it might be time to take a step back.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
i dont understand this argument when it comes to such a specialized thing as this. Is it standard practice to get paid 100-300k a week to play a game for a job? These players arent on the same world as 9-5 people who would be like heck no on giving me a 25 percent pay cut. They have contracts that are special essentially, things can be expected from them that wouldnt be expected from an ordinary joe.
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I wasn’t the one trying to equate a footballers job to a regular job. Give me a list of footballers that have voluntarily reduced their wages.
 
TsuWave said:
an arbitrary mention of Keane doesn’t add validity nor does it make what you’re saying any less senseless.

I know we are football/United fans and all, but when it gets to a point when/where you’re arguing an employee should accept less than their contractually agreed terms/salary, it might be time to take a step back.
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I think I may need to consider taking a step back. Not for the reasons you suggest however.

It is beyond me that people are still arguing and employee should accept less than their contractually agreed terms/salary.

Why? you may ask. Well because that is simply not what's happening.

I'm not sure how people don't understand that wanting to leave and play for another club is not contractually agreed terms.
 
acnumber9 said:
I wasn’t the one trying to equate a footballers job to a regular job. Give me a list of footballers that have voluntarily reduced their wages.
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Those who wanted to play elsewhere? I'm sure there are a few not least our own Sanchez and Zlatan IIRC.

Also Suarez and maybe even Messi (although am not sure if his other income streams made it less of a cut but in terms of salary from the club I'm sure it was a pay cut).

Oh and Roy Keane.
 
Roane said:
Oh come on.

No one asked him to take a pay cut for doing what he was contractually obliged to.

They simply weren't wanting to pay loads for him to go play elsewhere. Which HE wanted to do.

As I said above Roy Keane has a right to be aggrieved for not keeping on taking the money or refusing to take a pay cut but Rashford? No way
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Roane said:
I think I may need to consider taking a step back. Not for the reasons you suggest however.

It is beyond me that people are still arguing and employee should accept less than their contractually agreed terms/salary.

Why? you may ask. Well because that is simply not what's happening.

I'm not sure how people don't understand that wanting to leave and play for another club is not contractually agreed terms.
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Yep, these make perfectly valid points.

Saying that the club should stick to the agreed contract - and that any everyday worker, dutifully doing their job and suddenly being expected to take a pay cut, wouldn't do so either - is all ignoring Rashford's on and offield issues in the previous two years, and his interview saying that he wanted to move clubs for a fresh challenge, etc.

A club having to pay some of the wages for a player to go off and play for another club isn't the same as everyday people doing the same work, for the same employer, but suddenly being expected to take a pay cut to do so.

But I think too much is being made of this one issue, and that it's a convenient deflection. I can see why Rashford's fans are focusing the argument very much on the dropped wages claims - an opportunity to use terms like 'Brexit Jim' and 'billionaire owners' and dragging the attention away from topics like off-field actions, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc, from a 'multi millionaire footballer' (to use the same kind of unnecessary label).
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Saying that the club should stick to the agreed contract - and that any everyday worker, dutifully doing their job and suddenly being expected to take a pay cut, wouldn't do so either - is all ignoring Rashford's on and offield issues in the previous two years, and his interview saying that he wanted to move clubs for a fresh challenge, etc.
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The interview came after the club briefed all and sundry that they wanted rid of Rashford for a cultural reset. Then we had another employee essentially defaming him in public. No party comes out of this looking good. It’s been handled appallingly by Rashford, Amorim and the club and as always it will be the fans who suffer.
 
Roane said:
I think I may need to consider taking a step back. Not for the reasons you suggest however.

It is beyond me that people are still arguing and employee should accept less than their contractually agreed terms/salary.

Why? you may ask. Well because that is simply not what's happening.

I'm not sure how people don't understand that wanting to leave and play for another club is not contractually agreed terms.
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Except that Rashford said he was ready for a new challenge - after two weeks of briefings that the club wanted/was prepared to move him on. I’m pretty sure Ornstein and Whitwell reported on this. Was the club justified on wanting to move him? That’s a different conversation altogether - but he’s right in not going for that pay cut stuff - and he seemingly made it known he rightfully wanted his full wage.

“They simply weren't wanting to pay loads for him to go play elsewhere. Which HE wanted to do.”

Yeah well, it’s on United to not agree contracts that will make it increasingly hard to get rid of undesirables. Considerations when offering deals, I suppose.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Yep, these make perfectly valid points.

Saying that the club should stick to the agreed contract - and that any everyday worker, dutifully doing their job and suddenly being expected to take a pay cut, wouldn't do so either - is all ignoring Rashford's on and offield issues in the previous two years, and his interview saying that he wanted to move clubs for a fresh challenge, etc.

A club having to pay some of the wages for a player to go off and play for another club isn't the same as everyday people doing the same work, for the same employer, but suddenly being expected to take a pay cut to do so.

But I think too much is being made of this one issue, and that it's a convenient deflection. I can see why Rashford's fans are focusing the argument very much on the dropped wages claims - an opportunity to use terms like 'Brexit Jim' and 'billionaire owners' and dragging the attention away from topics like off-field actions, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc, from a 'multi millionaire footballer' (to use the same kind of unnecessary label).
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Thank you. I was beginning to despair thinking maybe I wasn't putting my point across right.

As I see it if a club says to a player "we don't think you're right for where we want to be and feel you should look elsewhere". The player has an absolute right to say "Ok but I will only leave for the same or more money". If that doesn't happen then the player is within his rights to say "you either pay me off or pay the difference".

However if a club says "no more drinking and no shows for training and no more looking disinterested on the pitch or you don't play". They, the club, still have to pay (wrongly IMO because the player has broken the agreement) but they do so it is what it is.

The player then decides feck that I'm going elsewhere. Club say ok. Why does the player then expect the club to pay him at all never mind majority of his wages?

If anything UTD having to pay at all is NOT what would happen in "normal" corporate type jobs.

I just don't get the arguments being out forward.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Yep, these make perfectly valid points.

Saying that the club should stick to the agreed contract - and that any everyday worker, dutifully doing their job and suddenly being expected to take a pay cut, wouldn't do so either - is all ignoring Rashford's on and offield issues in the previous two years, and his interview saying that he wanted to move clubs for a fresh challenge, etc.

A club having to pay some of the wages for a player to go off and play for another club isn't the same as everyday people doing the same work, for the same employer, but suddenly being expected to take a pay cut to do so.
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It only doesn’t make valid points, it is also re-writing and revisionism of what has happened.

Rashford’s productivity and alleged conduct issues have been widely reported on - he’s still entitled to his full contractual pay. As far as I know, the club can take actions like banishing him from the team and/or fining him - if justified in doing so - and look to move him on - which we opted to do. The notion and/or expectation that he should accept a pay cut though is comical in my eyes. Sure it’s at his discretion, but I would not do it nor expect others to - nor think less of them and make it a talking point.
 
acnumber9 said:
The interview came after the club briefed all and sundry that they wanted rid of Rashford for a cultural reset. Then we had another employee essentially defaming him in public. No party comes out of this looking good. It’s handled appallingly by Rashford, Amorim and the club and as always it will be the fans who suffer.
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And the reported briefings came after all Rashford's off-field antics, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc. Can't blame all of those on anyone but himself.

While no party comes out of this looking good, the main issue has been Rashford's ongoing antics. Had he reacted positively, as Garnacho did, to being dropped (and as he did previous times when his ill-discipline led to other managers dropping him) there was every chance he'd still be here and in the team. Instead he immediately gave the interview that as good as ended his time here and made it impossible for him to be re-selected as Garnacho was.
 
Roane said:
Thank you. I was beginning to despair thinking maybe I wasn't putting my point across right.

As I see it if a club says to a player "we don't think you're right for where we want to be and feel you should look elsewhere". The player has an absolute right to say "Ok but I will only leave for the same or more money". If that doesn't happen then the player is within his rights to say "you either pay me off or pay the difference".

However if a club says "no more drinking and no shows for training and no more looking disinterested on the pitch or you don't play". They, the club, still have to pay (wrongly IMO because the player has broken the agreement) but they do so it is what it is.

The player then decides feck that I'm going elsewhere. Club say ok. Why does the player then expect the club to pay him at all never mind majority of his wages?

If anything UTD having to pay at all is NOT what would happen in "normal" corporate type jobs.

I just don't get the arguments being out forward.
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I think you do but are being facetious. There’s nothing in his contract which would make him obliged to take any sort of pay cut, even in these circumstances. So why would he? To say ‘sorry’?! The club and its owners were stupid enough to give out this contract.
 
TsuWave said:
It only doesn’t make valid points, it is also re-writing and revisionism of what has happened.

Rashford’s productivity and alleged conduct issues have been widely reported on - he’s still entitled to his full contractual pay. As far as I know, the club can take actions like banishing him from the team and/or fining him - if justified in doing so - and look to move him on - which we opted to do. The notion and/or expectation that he should accept a pay cut though is comical in my eyes. Sure it’s at his discretion, but I would not do it nor expect others to - nor think less of them and make it a talking point.
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Indeed.
 
Sir Marcus said:
I think you do but are being facetious. There’s nothing in his contract which would make him obliged to take any sort of pay cut, even in these circumstances. So why would he? To say ‘sorry’?! The club and its owners were stupid enough to give out this contract.
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No I genuinely don't get it.

For me it's simple. You play for a club, you sign a contract. If you continue to play for the club and they say take a pay cut tell them to feck off.

If as a player says "For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps."

A response of good luck but we aren't paying for it, is fair enough.

The owners and club were indeed stupid to give him that wage, for what has been an average player overall. But they did so to play for their club not a n other.
 
VP89 said:
People don't have to accept. And yes it's not abnormal to offer this as an option in the right circumstance, which this was. He was leaving the club and there was no offers because of his wages.
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He's at another club right now, clearly there were offers.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Yep, these make perfectly valid points.

Saying that the club should stick to the agreed contract - and that any everyday worker, dutifully doing their job and suddenly being expected to take a pay cut, wouldn't do so either - is all ignoring Rashford's on and offield issues in the previous two years, and his interview saying that he wanted to move clubs for a fresh challenge, etc.

A club having to pay some of the wages for a player to go off and play for another club isn't the same as everyday people doing the same work, for the same employer, but suddenly being expected to take a pay cut to do so.

But I think too much is being made of this one issue, and that it's a convenient deflection. I can see why Rashford's fans are focusing the argument very much on the dropped wages claims - an opportunity to use terms like 'Brexit Jim' and 'billionaire owners' and dragging the attention away from topics like off-field actions, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc, from a 'multi millionaire footballer' (to use the same kind of unnecessary label)
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Roane said:
No I genuinely don't get it.

For me it's simple. You play for a club, you sign a contract. If you continue to play for the club and they say take a pay cut tell them to feck off.

If as a player says "For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps."

A response of good luck but we aren't paying for it, is fair enough.

The owners and club were indeed stupid to give him that wage, for what has been an average player overall. But they did so to play for their club not a n other.
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You obviously do but are being facetious so this will be my last post.


It’s simple, you write a wage cut into the contract for situations like these. Things like this, ie wages, are done officially, with the terms being legally bound ffs.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
And the reported briefings came after all Rashford's off-field antics, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc. Can't blame all of those on anyone but himself.

While no party comes out of this looking good, the main issue has been Rashford's ongoing antics. Had he reacted positively, as Garnacho did, to being dropped (and as he did previous times when his ill-discipline led to other managers dropping him) there was every chance he'd still be here and in the team. Instead he immediately gave the interview that as good as ended his time here and made it impossible for him to be re-selected as Garnacho was.
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Isn't a lot of the cultural reboot stuff not being mixed up and given a slant?

As I recall Ratcliffe mentioned the cultural reboot stuff but was in regards to things like the ticket prices and cutting staff etc

Amorim was the one specifically who said anything regards to the players and specifically Rashford, when asked. It was about working hard in training and behaving off the pitch or you don't get picked.
 
I didn’t expect Rashford to take a pay cut but if he had done , it wouldn’t be to the benefit of billionaires. It’s the benefit of the fans. Because let’s not forget that the billionaires put feck all into the club. The only people putting any money into the club is the fans and footballers aren’t your typical company employee. So I’m not remotely surprised or annoyed he said no but don’t forget he’s taking the money out of our pockets. Not Jim or the Glazers.

Yes the club shouldn’t have given him that ridiculous contract. Yes he’s entitled to all of his agreed wages. Of course he is. But it would have been a phenomenal gesture to the fans from him and made absolutely zero difference to his lifestyle.
 
Sir Marcus said:
You obviously do but are being facetious so this will be my last post.


It’s simple, you write a wage cut into the contract for situations like these. Things like this, ie wages, are done officially, with the terms being legally bound ffs.
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Situations like these meaning what?

Yes there are perks written into contracts. Yes there are terms with regards to CL and relegation etc.

But show me one contract that says "and if you wish to no longer play for us, but choose to play for another club we will pay your wages".

I CAN understand if the club don't want you and say go play elsewhere and the other club won't pay what you are on. That's tough shit for the club.

Two parties agree to a contract. BOTH obey it as long as the chosen terms are fulfilled.

No player would agree a term that says they can make you play elsewhere for less and no club would agree to pay for you to play elsewhere if you wanted to leave.

If what you say is true loads of players would do it. UTD need a striker, if Solanke (for example) wanted to leave Spurs for UTD on loan but PSR meant they could only pay him a third of what Spurs do no way on Gods green earth do Spurs say ok you want a new challenge here is the other two thirds of your wages.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
And the reported briefings came after all Rashford's off-field antics, ill discipline and poor effort and performances, etc. Can't blame all of those on anyone but himself.

While no party comes out of this looking good, the main issue has been Rashford's ongoing antics. Had he reacted positively, as Garnacho did, to being dropped (and as he did previous times when his ill-discipline led to other managers dropping him) there was every chance he'd still be here and in the team. Instead he immediately gave the interview that as good as ended his time here and made it impossible for him to be re-selected as Garnacho was.
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Then deal with it internally like professionals. We can’t slam Rashford’s professionalism when you are briefing left and right about him and you have a manager mocking him in public. Rashford at least didn’t respond to the manager saying he would rather play a 60 year old coach.
 
Roane said:
Isn't a lot of the cultural reboot stuff not being mixed up and given a slant?

As I recall Ratcliffe mentioned the cultural reboot stuff but was in regards to things like the ticket prices and cutting staff etc

Amorim was the one specifically who said anything regards to the players and specifically Rashford, when asked. It was about working hard in training and behaving off the pitch or you don't get picked.
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I certainly think a lot of Rashford fans are (deliberately) placing too much emphasis on it / putting a slant on it as an easier thing to make him out to be the victim - 'pushed out of the club' - rather than having to try to defend the Indefensible regarding the disciplinary issues, lack of effort, poor commitment and body language, criticism from various of his managers, etc.

Those are all incredibly hard to defend. So I can see why they're trying to focus the debate onto other areas and making it out that it's all about incompetent and mean Brexit and Tory supporting billionaire owners using the poor guy as a scapegoat and trying to force him out the club, etc. It's a handy way of trying to deflect the attention away from all those other issues that have been going on - on and off - long before the new owners and manager arrived.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
I certainly think a lot of Rashford fans are (deliberately) placing too much emphasis on it / putting a slant on it as an easier thing to make him out to be the victim - 'pushed out of the club' - rather than having to try to defend the Indefensible regarding the disciplinary issues, lack of effort, poor commitment and body language, criticism from various of his managers, etc.

Those are all incredibly hard to defend. So I can see why they're trying to focus the debate onto other areas and making it out that it's all about incompetent and mean Brexit and Tory supporting billionaire owners using the poor guy as a scapegoat and trying to force him out the club, etc. It's a handy way of trying to deflect the attention away from all those other issues that have been going on - on and off - long before the new owners and manager arrived.
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And too much emphasis is being placed on Rashford saying he wanted a new challenge as if that means he shouldn’t be paid his wage. Obviously it was a response to get ahead of United wanting to sell him and it was incredibly misjudged. None of that makes the behaviour of the club and manager any better.
 
VP89 said:
It happens when people are underperforming, they are presented with either 1) repositioning and facing a salary reflecting that role (similar conversation to Rashford), 2) being put on an incentive plan to get them back up to speed or 3) leaving.

In most cases when 2) is taken up it leads up to 3). The company can sack the employee without any issues since they followed the PIP process.
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Being put on a performance improvement plan (PIP) is not salary related. It’s more of a case of “perform as expected or you could face HR disciplinary up to and including dismissal”.

But personally I wouldn’t try to equate the football industry to normal jobs.
 
acnumber9 said:
Then deal with it internally like professionals. We can’t slam Rashford’s professionalism when you are briefing left and right about him and you have a manager mocking him in public. Rashford at least didn’t respond to the manager saying he would rather play a 60 year old coach.
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What would you do when the player is not being honest with you? Amorim asked him if he went out before the Everton game, he said he didn't. Later again he apparently appeared fatigued in training and it seems he out the day before training again. Pretty sure they have tried everything they can to deal with this internally. He had previous episodes of being unprofessional with ETH too, remember the Belfast nightout where he was out until 3 am in the morning and then called in sick for training? Or oversleeping to the point where you were late to a team meeting? Or the team leaks.

Now under Amorim it appeared to be the last straw and he all along said Rashford will be back in the team if he changed his ways. That comment about picking his coach was made after weeks of being left out at which point it appeared as a last resort sort of comment from Amorim to help Rashford change. He dropped Garnacho at the same time and he was back in the team very soon. If anything Rashford has shown clearly he doesn't care about improving or helping his boyhood club. In his eyes, Rashford thinks he does nothing wrong even after years of underperformance and laziness on the pitch.

It was a conversation with Ruben Amorim at the start of December that goes some way to explaining why Marcus Rashford has been absent from the Manchester United side for nearly two months and why he is close to leaving the club.

United had just beaten Everton 4-0, with Rashford scoring two of the goals in a vibrant display on Sunday, December 1. But after that game, Amorim heard the forward had been out in Manchester on the Friday night, November 29, less than 48 hours before Everton’s visit to Old Trafford.

The United head coach does not want his players in bars so close to games and asked Rashford about his movements. The England international assured Amorim he had been misinformed about a late night.

Three days later, however, Rashford was left out of the starting line-up for the trip to Arsenal. While rotation was at play, those questions over his social life were also a factor in Amorim’s decision.
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Since their talk after the Everton game, Amorim has given Rashford 118 minutes of football out of a possible 1,350.

He played the final half-hour at Arsenal and in the following match at home to Nottingham Forest, then started against Viktoria Plzen, although Amorim substituted him in the 56th minute after a poor performance.

Two days later, on Saturday, December 14, in the final training session before facing Manchester City the following afternoon, Rashford put in a lacklustre display at United’s Carrington base, according to multiple sources, some of whom said he appeared fatigued.

Claims circulated that Rashford had gone out the night before — on the Friday, 48 hours before the game — with accounts reaching people at United. This, however, is strenuously denied by people close to the player. Rashford also feels he does not behave differently from other Premier League footballers but faces much more scrutiny over his social life.

Amorim makes his decisions based on what he sees with his own eyes, in complete consideration of all aspects, and when United’s line-up and squad for the derby at the Etihad Stadium was posted in the team WhatsApp group that Saturday evening, it was clear to the players that their new head coach had taken strong action in a bid to jolt Rashford.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6035672/2025/02/01/marcus-rashford-manchester-united-missing/
 
saik said:
What would you do when the player is not being honest with you? Amorim asked him if he went out before the Everton game, he said he didn't. Later again he apparently appeared fatigued in training and it seems he out the day before training again. Pretty sure they have tried everything they can to deal with this internally. He had previous episodes of being unprofessional with ETH too, remember the Belfast nightout where he was out until 3 am in the morning and then called in sick for training? Or oversleeping to the point where you were late to a team meeting? Or the team leaks.

Now under Amorim it appeared to be the last straw and he all along said Rashford will be back in the team if he changed his ways. That comment about picking his coach was made after weeks of being left out at which point it appeared as a last resort sort of comment from Amorim to help Rashford change. He dropped Garnacho at the same time and he was back in the team very soon. If anything Rashford has shown clearly he doesn't care about improving or helping his boyhood club. In his eyes, Rashford thinks he does nothing wrong even after years of underperformance and laziness on the pitch.





https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6035672/2025/02/01/marcus-rashford-manchester-united-missing/
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Don’t air the dirty laundry in public. Do you believe him saying he would rather pick a coach was the way to handle this situation? What benefit was gained by that?
 
acnumber9 said:
And too much emphasis is being placed on Rashford saying he wanted a new challenge as if that means he shouldn’t be paid his wage. Obviously it was a response to get ahead of United wanting to sell him and it was incredibly misjudged. None of that makes the behaviour of the club and manager any better.
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Why was it misjudged? The club wanted him sold and Rashford was prepared to work with them on that. It was in both parties’ best interests for him to be seen as a more attractive option. Given the comments in the papers the day before (and repeatedly since in both the media and by his own manager) it seems to have been the only sane move in this whole saga.
 
Doracle said:
Why was it misjudged? The club wanted him sold and Rashford was prepared to work with them on that. It was in both parties’ best interests for him to be seen as a more attractive option. Given the comments in the papers the day before (and repeatedly since in both the media and by his own manager) it seems to have been the only sane move in this whole saga.
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It burned too many bridges. He’d have been best served saying nothing.
 
acnumber9 said:
Don’t air the dirty laundry in public. Do you believe him saying he would rather pick a coach was the way to handle this situation? What benefit was gained by that?
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What benefit did we gain from keeping it in house for years? Paying 300k odd something for half arsed ambling around on the pitch and thinking all is going well? As I said, I'm pretty sure they tried to deal with this internally as Rashford had episodes of being unprofessional under ETH too.

If you remember, Amorim dropped Garnacho and Rashford at the same time. One responded immediately enough to be back starting in team the other didn't respond for weeks to a point where the head coach had to say those comments. Rashford had about 2 months to respond before Amorim made those comments. Enough time I'd say. It all starts and ends with Rashford. Don't give the head coach any reason to make those comments. You don't see Amorim making the same comments about other players.
 
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