Rashford - New contract or sell?

[DrogaPortoroz]

He will ask at least what Sancho earn. Knowing our club we will cave to his demands.
We should clean wage bill and introduce some structure to it, like youngster, first team, starplayer, veteran tiers.
When you see some fees and wages it is no wonder why are we skint, and that PsG prick probably knows that.

 

[Gavinb33]

Gakpo is not coming here as a backup. Neither the new striker. ETH would say otherwise, but action speaks louder.

You people are insane Gakpo if he comes will have to prove his worth like the rest of them will, there are no places given for free.

Man City have pretty much 4 class forwards fighting for 2 spots why can't we have the same as soon as we sign someone it's sell all the others because feck having a squad or even players having to prove themselves as a starter or be pushed.

I'd put a fair amount of money on Gakpo not even being as good as Rashford in the 1st place

 

[TheReligion]

I agree with you on the most part I like the way you think but you are underselling the impact of putting a 25 year old on £350K+ a week to be on parity with Sancho who is 22.

The knock on effect of giving Rashford who let's be honest, yeah we love him and he has had periods being on fire but he has not so far been De Buryne/Salah level salary who are on similair amounts and got there through proven world class seasons back to back to back.

With Sancho and Rashford both on 350k+ with inconsistent to mediocre contribution, what happens when it's time to renew Sancho, Bruno, Martinez, Antony, Garnacho and any other good player we have in a few years if they are pulling up trees, or do we just sell Bruno as he will be 32ish and don't think he is worth what his agent will no doubt demand for his contribution.

Or when we try to sign a big talent too, our salary ceiling will be broken and puts us on the backfoot in negotiations at a time where we will need to be buying a lot of new good players every season for the next few seasons.

That unearned and over paying in salary and contract issue was supposed to be gone with Matt Judge.

So who has said he’s been offered 350k a week or are you just assuming?

RE contracts they have been tightened up now Woodward and co have left. So I wouldn’t assume anything.

 

[Posh Red]

Gakpo is not coming here as a backup. Neither the new striker. ETH would say otherwise, but action speaks louder.

So you think he referred to Rashford as being one of the best in the world at what he does purely as some kind of media spin? Sounds farfetched to me.

 

[Judas]

He’s going nowhere, sad how that disappoints so many.

 

[Judas]

What's disappointing people is not him being here, but being here potentially on more outrageous wages than he's currently on. If you think he's earned a bumber contract fair enough but it's hardly sad that some don't think it's the right decision.

Of course he doesn’t deserve even higher wages, I just want him to stay.

 

[stevoc]

Once again you’re not reading. You can’t just stop reading in the mid of sentence then interpreted it, you need to read it in the full sentence!! It means that People used excuse of his injury to defend him being lazy but in reality after he has recovered from injury last season, he hasn’t changed aka he is still lazy. What’s so difficult to read it in full sentence.

And you clearly didn't read the context my post either mate, you ignored my question.

I don't happen to think he was actually lazy between 2019-2021 when he was playing with back, shoulder and ankle injuries. The style of play under Solskjaer meant the forwards generally weren't asked to do too much pressing Last season he barely played under Solskjaer he only came back from injury a few weeks before Ole was sacked. When Ralf took over he seemed determined to only play him out of position on the right and then barely started him at all after February. Was he lazy last season yes, so were virtually the whole squad. Now that doesn't excuse it but it can't be used to try to paint Rashford as having always been a lazy player.

 

[Marcus]

I am fine either way now. We can sell him for a decent fee because he is back in form. Or we keep a confident striker who is back to his best.

 

[SAFMUTD]

How is it clear ETH rate him? He wants Gakpo and a striker, two of Rashford best positions. Garnacho also has shown what we're missing from that LW.

I get that from ten Hag's recent quotes about Rashford, you dont talk like that about a player you dont rate. That doesnt mean ten Hag doesnt wants to strenghten the squad, both are not mutually exclusive.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

And you clearly didn't read the context my post either mate, you ignored my question.

I don't happen to think he was actually lazy between 2019-2021 when he was playing with back, shoulder and ankle injuries. The style of play under Solskjaer meant the forwards generally weren't asked to do too much pressing Last season he barely played under Solskjaer he only came back from injury a few weeks before Ole was sacked. When Ralf took over he seemed determined to only play him out of position on the right and then barely started him at all after February. Was he lazy last season yes, so were virtually the whole squad. Now that doesn't excuse it but it can't be used to try to paint Rashford as having always been a lazy player.

First of all you never mention the style of play under Solskjaer in the post replying to me. Second, I had mentioned it in one of my post replying to yours that playing him on the right shouldn't be used as an excuse to make the player being lazy!! And finally in this post you have made a point of Solskjaer era that he didn't do too much pressing, but I have said it before regardless (during Solskjaer era or no, when he was injured or no) it still didn't change the fact he didn't press when he played under Ralf. And again playing on the right shouldn't make player being lazy, it has zero common sense.

All I ask Rashford to do is to perform like he is being valued as 200k p/w man. People last season want him to be sold due to his current contract was only few years left but accepting Rashford to stay if he is willing to take a paycut because up to now he hasn't show that he is worth to be 200k p/w. I wish we have players that afraid he will lose his job if he doesn't perform.

 

[Marcus]

First of all you never mention the style of play under Solskjaer in the post replying to me. Second, I had mentioned it in one of my post replying to yours that playing him on the right shouldn't be used as an excuse to make the player being lazy!! And finally clearly you have made a point of Solskjaer era that he didn't do too much pressing, regardless it still didn't change when he played under Ralf. And again playing on the right shouldn't make player being lazy, it has zero common sense.

All I ask Rashford to do is to perform like he is being valued as 200k p/w man. People last season want him to be sold due to his current contract was only few years left but accepting Rashford to stay if he is willing to take a paycut because up to now he hasn't show that he is worth to be 200k p/w. I wish we have players that afraid he will lose his job if he doesn't perform.

He seems to play best when nearing the end of his contract.

 

[Black Alabaster]

So who has said he’s been offered 350k a week or are you just assuming?

RE contracts they have been tightened up now Woodward and co have left. So I wouldn’t assume anything.

I am indeed assuming, but on the basis that Sancho along with Casemiro & De Gea are on that same 300+ bracket and with 1 year to go till he is a free agent, Rashfords' brother who has been flirting with PSG and met with them as recently as August according to Samuel Luckhurst will be able to hold us over the barrel when it comes to stating his terms and demands. They hold all the cards we have not one in this situation. We hypothetically need him more than he needs us.

We are in no position to push back with justification or claim morale highground about previous regimes mistakes on De Gea, or with Sanchos' wage, which no doubt will be used as the yard stick by any smart agent, i'm sure you would agree. They will trot out many of the points some posters used here about his marketability, homegrown status, academy product, transfer fee to replace him etc whilst also having the public declerations of Khelaifi ringing in our ears with the threat of PSG wages in the background as another tool to establish why he should go into that £300K/week bracket. The conditions are all there.

I would love to believe Rashy would just tell him "nah dont push for the maximum amount possible, I would be happy with 50 grand raise up to £250K/week". Although my gut understanding of an agents mandate which is not just to guide their career but to make sure they are as well reimbursed as possible for a contract going into his 30's makes me think he will push, knowing full well we have to just compromise as much as possble & fold eventually. ETH publicly saying we want him to stay till contract expiry in any case adds pressure too, can't be seen to fail the new manager losing the "face" of our club. Just seems like a slam dunk for them.

It's bit of a lose lose really in my opinion as I do love rashford but he should be being renewed up to his current deal now, 200K, for all his plus points. Not now pushing above that, but again this is the knock on effect of previous wages pushing other players wages up too. Still reaping what Woodward & Judge sowed.

 

[lex talionis]

I have no idea what the right wage is for Marcus, but I hope we can keep him. A fit Marcus Rashford is a huge asset to the club. Martial is the one can let go of for 10-15. Gakpo is a natural wide left man but can fill in the 9 role as we transition out Martial. We just assume there’s no future for Greenwood at OT. Ronaldo will vacuum vast riches in Saudi, but he’ll soon realize how much he fukked himself by the leaving United, especially in the manner in which he did so.

 

[Boondog]

If he wants to leave for PSG/top money/fresh start etc then sell him and buy Joao. Atletico isn't gonna get over 80 or so for him. Rash will bring more than that because ten Hag won't let him go cheap.

But I hope he stays. I want to see him finish his development.

85% god damn! I knew not all of you liked him but that's surprising.

I'm with the 15%.

Yeah it's nuts. To the point where I almost hope he leaves just to get that fresh start. Crazy.

 

[Rightnr]

Yeah it's nuts. To the point where I almost hope he leaves just to get that fresh start. Crazy.

And to think people are accusing those who want him gone (and that was based on last year but let's forget about context) they're not United fans.

Here we have someone looking out for poor Rashie. I can imagine what people would have said if Ferguson stayed long enough to kick Rooney out at the right time (first season of Moyes).

Proper player over club mentality.

 

[TheReligion]

And to think people are accusing those who want him gone (and that was based on last year but let's forget about context) they're not United fans.

Here we have someone looking out for poor Rashie. I can imagine what people would have said if Ferguson stayed long enough to kick Rooney out at the right time (first season of Moyes).

Proper player over club mentality.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being local to Manchester and resonating with Rashford given the shared connections.

 

[MegadrivePerson]

Can't see him going to PSG for a number of reasons. All they are doing now is putting more pressure on us to offer him a big contract!

Mbappe wants to play LW at PSG, if they sign Rashford that makes it less likely he will be able to play in that position.

I'd be amazed if Rashford leaves to play in the French league!

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Crazy how many of our fans want him gone, it's hard to understand. I want him to stay for a number of reasons:

1. He is good enough to play for us at his normal level and he can become even better.
2. He is a local lad, academy player, who loves the club and has an impeccable image outside football.
3. I don't trust our board/manager to identify a player better than him we may easily end up paying more for a worse player.
4. He can play so much better for the new club and it would be horrible feeling to see him succeed in another team.

 

[stevoc]

First of all you never mention the style of play under Solskjaer in the post replying to me.

You are a United fan I assumed you knew so it didn't need mentioning.

Second, I had mentioned it in one of my post replying to yours that playing him on the right shouldn't be used as an excuse to make the player being lazy!! And finally in this post you have made a point of Solskjaer era that he didn't do too much pressing, but I have said it before regardless (during Solskjaer era or no, when he was injured or no) it still didn't change the fact he didn't press when he played under Ralf. And again playing on the right shouldn't make player being lazy, it has zero common sense.

And I'm not excusing him being lazy last season playing on the right or otherwise, as I said he was lazy last year.

But Rashford wasn't a lazy player under LVG, Jose and in my opinion Ole. And he certainly hasn't been under Ten Hag either.

All I ask Rashford to do is to perform like he is being valued as 200k p/w man. People last season want him to be sold due to his current contract was only few years left but accepting Rashford to stay if he is willing to take a paycut because up to now he hasn't show that he is worth to be 200k p/w. I wish we have players that afraid he will lose his job if he doesn't perform.

Let's live in the real world here mate, there's not a snowballs chance in hell a player with Rashford's profile, in his mid 20's with the clubs that would be interested in him will be taking a pay cut.

If Ten Hag want's to keep him then the club should make it happen, I personally don't much care if his wages go up/down or stay the same.

 

[VeevaVee]

I’d like him to stay if he can crack on but he’s not exactly un-replaceable.

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

You absolutely keep Rashford. Selling him and counting on our idiot owners to reinvest those funds back in the team effectively or at all is a fool's errand.

 

[Boondog]

Doubt this is real but if it is we can kiss him goodbye.

 

[calodo2003]

 

[Kaos]

Doubt this is real but if it is we can kiss him goodbye.

More than Mbappe, Neymar and Messi? Yeah seems legit.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I’d like him to stay if he can crack on but he’s not exactly un-replaceable.

Thats pretty much my stance on him too. I’m prepared to see what he can do under a good coaching manager like ETH, but I am weary that what we‘re seeing now is pretty much what it’s going to be for the rest of his career. Decision making and chance converting needs to improve significantly for me to make him untouchable.

But who knows how it goes with Garnacho or maybe ETH fancies someone else? A pacy, right footed footballer who likes to operate as a left forward and cut inside is a pretty common thing these days.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You are a United fan I assumed you knew so it didn't need mentioning.

There is a reason why I keep referring to last season, so I wouldn't expect you to talk about something else, yet you keep bring it up even though I already said ''No. We were talking about last season.''

And I'm not excusing him being lazy last season playing on the right or otherwise, as I said he was lazy last year.

But Rashford wasn't a lazy player under LVG, Jose and in my opinion Ole. And he certainly hasn't been under Ten Hag either.

Then you shouldn't be mentioning him playing on the right because him playing on the right is irrelevant to him being lazy last season. By mentioning it, you only either using it as excuse or trying to sway away from the main argument. I also don't think his work rate on the pitch been good this season.

Let's live in the real world here mate, there's not a snowballs chance in hell a player with Rashford's profile, in his mid 20's with the clubs that would be interested in him will be taking a pay cut.

If Ten Hag want's to keep him then the club should make it happen, I personally don't much care if his wages go up/down or stay the same.

I do care.

 

[stevoc]

There is a reason why I keep referring to last season, so I wouldn't expect you to talk about something else, yet you keep bring it up even though I already said ''No. We were talking about last season.''

To be fair you were the one who brought the season before into the discussion when you said he was also ''lazy while playing through injury'' obviously referring to 20-21.

Then you shouldn't be mentioning him playing on the right because him playing on the right is irrelevant to him being lazy last season. By mentioning it, you only either using it as excuse or trying to sway away from the main argument.

It was relevant to the context of my post.

I also don't think his work rate on the pitch been good this season.

That explains a lot.

I do care.

Good for you, hope you're not disappointed on that front.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Of course he doesn’t deserve even higher wages, I just want him to stay.

And if he asks for 300+ (which is certainly within his right) would you still want him to stay?

 

[colombianmancunian]

He has rediscovered his form, he is from the academy, he feels the team. He has to stay!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

More than Mbappe, Neymar and Messi? Yeah seems legit.

In fairness. I’m pretty convinced all those are on more than that.

To get a free transfer I could absolutely imagine them spending say 40m a year for the full package, it’s nothing to them. He’s tormented them so much they’d probably pay it just not to have to play against him again.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

And if he asks for 300+ (which is certainly within his right) would you still want him to stay?

Fans are waaaaaay to arsed about pretending they know what is an acceptable wage for a Manchester United player.
If he asked for 305 k /week, we should definitely say no so that the owners can take an extra 5m in dividends every season.

 

[Bebestation]

Sancho on 350k - 50% due to the fan base 50% due to Ole

 

[Bebestation]

Thats pretty much my stance on him too. I’m prepared to see what he can do under a good coaching manager like ETH, but I am weary that what we‘re seeing now is pretty much what it’s going to be for the rest of his career. Decision making and chance converting needs to improve significantly for me to make him untouchable.

But who knows how it goes with Garnacho or maybe ETH fancies someone else? A pacy, right footed footballer who likes to operate as a left forward and cut inside is a pretty common thing these days.

His decision making and quick flick passing has improved so so much in a single season.

If you can’t see that then that’s a problem.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Fans are waaaaaay to arsed about pretending they know what is an acceptable wage for a Manchester United player.
If he asked for 305 k /week, we should definitely say no so that the owners can take an extra 5m in dividends every season.

So what you're saying is we should just give players high wages or else the Glazers will just pocket the difference even if they arent worth the money? We don't seem to have learned from our mistakes which is a big reason why we're in the state we're in.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

So what you're saying is we should just give players high wages or else the Glazers will just pocket the difference even if they arent worth the money? We don't seem to have learned from our mistakes which is a big reason why we're in the state we're in.

That’s exactly what I said yeah.

Our mistake has been buying shit players and hiring past it or never had it managers.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

That’s exactly what I said yeah.

Our mistake has been buying shit players and hiring past it or never had it managers.

I don't think it's feasible paying good players WC wages or it just sets a precedence. With Sancho on 350k Rashford is well within his rights to ask for the same. Antony has a good season then he'll be asking for parity. Martial to re-sign will be asking the same and we're stupid enough to give it to him.

It's time to get the wage bill under check. Rashford would be a great place to start.

 

[Black Alabaster]

Fans are waaaaaay to arsed about pretending they know what is an acceptable wage for a Manchester United player.
If he asked for 305 k /week, we should definitely say no so that the owners can take an extra 5m in dividends every season.

I don't think it's feasible paying good players WC wages or it just sets a precedence. With Sancho on 350k Rashford is well within his rights to ask for the same. Antony has a good season then he'll be asking for parity. Martial to re-sign will be asking the same and we're stupid enough to give it to him.

It's time to get the wage bill under check. Rashford would be a great place to start.

@Regulus Arcturus Black Its like Giggsy said above, the knock on effect of making our wage ceiling so high for a inconsistent on/off player that is not World Class, creates so many more problems down the road. Antony already started on £200k/week aswell so our wage offerings are clearly still on the inflated side. No one at pool is on higher other than Salah & VVD...

Just think, with Sancho on 350, Rashford 300+, Martial 250(up for renewal now too) Antony 200 on his first contract. What will our next good signing want, say Joao Felix, Goncalo Ramos, even Gakpo?? Can you see any other club starting Gakpo on a £200k/week deal? Then if he or any new signing starts outdoing Rashfords output which has not exactly been earth shattering, they will be eyeing that 300 bracket too. It's silly money, wasted.

This money we throw at inconsistent or mediocre/decent players as incentive, every penny that we disregard thinking oh it doesn't matter, could of been going toward stadium, transfer fees for other players improving our squad etc.

I know we are a rich club and can supposedly afford to give good wages, but we can not anymore rely on that we need to punch smart. We are up to our eyeballs in glazer debt, talking about abiding by FFP, and apparantly having £23M cash on hand in our latest financial report IIRC.

I want Rashy to stay as much as the next man but casually dolling out these massive £16m+/year contracts is going to bite is on the arse down the road even if it doesn't immediately.

Hopefully Richard Arnold can do a Woodward and secure us a few pot noodle sponsorships asap as we are currently relying on being bought out by benevolent new owners to bail us out this hole we are slipping down.

 

[Lee565]

Unless the negotiations look like they are going in a positive direction with things pointing to him signing a new deal without ridiculous wage demands, then I would be looking to sell him in this window whilst his stock is really high, we have to stop being naive with being in a situation of negotiating with players in the final year of their contract, only for them to walk out for free as it has already cost 100 million in sales if we had been wiser and for a club as in debt as we are that is not money we can keep affording to waste away

 

[Doracle]

Unless the negotiations look like they are going in a positive direction with things pointing to him signing a new deal without ridiculous wage demands, then I would be looking to sell him in this window whilst his stock is really high, we have to stop being naive with being in a situation of negotiating with players in the final year of their contract, only for them to walk out for free as it has already cost 100 million in sales if we had been wiser and for a club as in debt as we are that is not money we can keep affording to waste away

Selling him in this window is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. We don’t have enough forwards, one of the ones we do have is permanently injured and another is currently absent with unspecified personal issues. We’d have to sell him, find a replacement at a cost likely to be circa £100 million (with clubs knowing we were desperate) and then pay them at least £300,000 a week, as well as finding a CF to replace Ronaldo as well.

If we were to look to offload him, we should be quietly identifying a replacement for the summer, getting that deal agreed now and then looking to sell in the summer. That in itself is madness as he’s one of the best left wingers in the world and I don’t see who we could obtain who wouldn’t be a downgrade but that seems to be the preference of this forum.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

If we were to look to offload him, we should be quietly identifying a replacement for the summer, getting that deal agreed now and then looking to sell in the summer. That in itself is madness as he’s one of the best left wingers in the world and I don’t see who we could obtain who wouldn’t be a downgrade but that seems to be the preference of this forum.

I agree with your first part but as for the bolded? I don't think you'll find many people in agreement with you.