Rashford is Unhappy according to Pilip de Brun & The Times

Voicing unhappiness does not imply imminent departure. Humans moan every day but usually do little to change their circumstances. And where is he going to go if he leaves Utd for his guaranteed starts? Everton?
 
OohAahMartial said:
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Looking into reliability of this de Brun guy and see quite divided opinion. Some say he has genuine contacts and even interviews with those at the club. Some say he is just a wannabe itk and that he was even banned before. Can @Raoul @Niall decide if Pilip de Brun needs adding to the ban list again please?

Apologies to all if Pilip de Brun is actually totally unreliable.
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It's the former. He's not on the list because he has a radio show and has club contacts.
 
Raoul said:
It's the former. He's not on the list because he has a radio show and has club contacts.
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Overall how reliable have you found him to be? Any notable hits and misses? From a search I see he called Moyes sacking well in advance but the 2015 sumeer transfers looked well off.
 
I like how you're doubling down on the reliability of the article, and not, say, your decision to dig out Mourinho for not giving opportunities to a young player he's played in over two thirds of our games. Sterling work.
 
There is no concept of tenure at Manchester United, if you're better than everyone else in training, if you can prove it in the time you get on the pitch, you'll get to start, if not - tough. This is probably paper BS anyway, but Rashford is a young player who has only really proven himself for half a season when he was an unknown entity. To do it again season after season is what makes a player. At the wages he's on if he's played on the right wing, he's better learn to be effective on the right wing, until he gets a shot at playing in the centre again.
 
Mockney said:
I like how you're doubling down on the reliability of the article, and not, say, your decision to dig out Mourinho for not giving opportunities to a young player he's played in over two thirds of our games. Sterling work.
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10 starts this season in the League. And how many of them as a #9, his actual position?
 
I thought after the transfer rumors in the summer we established that de Brun is full of shite?
 
If true, Rashford is taking the piss. kid just broke into the team and has been a regular. what the hell?

I hope its not true
 
Rashford needs to work hard and grab a chance. My only concern is that he is not coming on as a center forward in a like for like replacement for Zlatan. Would make sense that around the 70th minute mark you would bring on the young speedster to exploit the tired defenders.
I guess it's the downside of us not putting away our chance so by the time it gets to the 70th minute, we are either drawing or only leading by a single goal. Hence Jose keeps Zlatan on the field.
His time will come. Fingers crossed.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Overall how reliable have you found him to be? Any notable hits and misses? From a search I see he called Moyes sacking well in advance but the 2015 sumeer transfers looked well off.
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It's not really about hits and misses. Like others, he gets bits of info here and there and shares them on his show or periscope. As with all journos and commentators, there is never any guarantee that the info is correct or not since it could simply be the opinion of someone at or near the club and that opinion could be wrong. That's pretty much true with all transfer rumors and ultimately its up to each person to decide whether or not they believe it or not.
 
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OohAahMartial said:
10 starts this season in the League. And how many of them as a #9, his actual position?
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10 out of 25 league games is a more than decent amount for a 19 year old unheard of this time last year. Even before you factor in how many times he's been brought on as sub as well. Where he's played is irrelevant to your assertion that Jose isn't giving him opportunities or doesn't 'get' United's youth traditions. Which is the issue you seem to have a pre-existing bugbear about. That's an issue of tactical competence. He clearly trusts him enough to play, regularly. He played him up front ahead of Rooney when Ibra was suspended for the Arsenal game, so even the idea he gives more opportunities to established 30 somethings doesn't fly in this case.
 
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If true, Rashford needs to get his head checked. He's getting a lot of time on the pitch and it is way too early in his career to be telling someone like Mourinho where he wants to play.

Having said that, it is probably media BS.
 
Mockney said:
10 out of 25 league games is a more than decent amount for a 19 year old unheard of this time last year. Even before you factor in how many times he's been brought on as sub as well. Where he's played is irrelevant to your assertion that Jose isn't giving him opportunities or doesn't 'get' United's youth traditions. Which is the issue you seem to have a pre-existing bugbear about. That's an issue of tactical competence. He clearly trusts him enough to play, regularly.
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Not wanting to digress into a more general debate about Jose's youth record, it is conceivable that Rashford after his great start last season and 11 league starts in a short period of time may have entertained expectations of having more starts this season than he has, and in the same position, and that when those expectations might become unhappy or disappointed - which is what these news reports seem to be claiming. Of course it might be nothing more than that every good player wants to play every game and is disappointed when they don't get selected. The bit reported about him losing faith that he will get those opportunities in the future also seems quite plausible when it seems Zlatan will stay and we are linked with Griezmann constantly and now Belotti too.
 
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Image from today's training session. He's obviously on the way out. Just look how Jose's not responding to his smiling, happy face. Only a matter of time before he's sold...
 
Not that i'm entertaining this story but even if it is true doesn't Rashford have to regularly perform to justfy his starting place?
I very much doubt he's unhappy. He's on a new bumper pay and playing first team football for the biggest club in England and maybe the world.

He needs to do better on the ball because at the minute he's running into defenders so easily. I don't know whats up with his finishing either lately. Last season he was knocking them in. This year he's fluffing most chances. The one that sticks out for me is that long ball from Pogba when he was through on goal and he fluffed it.

Anyways bullshit article and i aint having it.
 
fecking bullshit. As if an 19 year old academy graduate would be unhappy regularly starting for Manchester United. The kid is living a fecking dream.
 
reddevilzZ said:
He is barely 19 and he got more than enough chances . Hope the hype doesn't get to his own head.

Rooney, Ibra , Mata will be on their way out soon and he will get his chance .

Note : The media is just circulating something ! I refuse to believe any of this
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Mata?
 
Don't believe a single word from those Sources..
I'm sure the lad is happy. He's given lots of chances, he plays for United & he has Rooney & Ibra from who can learn lots.
 
Anustart89 said:
That doesn't make any sense though...
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That's the point. He is talking out of his arse. Just because he gets the odd ex United player on his Podcast he makes out he is an ITK. He lives in a different continent, so it would be very hard for him to have access to similar type sources journos here would. In fact I cannot remember him breaking a story that came true (apart from obvious deals that me or you could say).
 
OohAahMartial said:
10 starts this season in the League. And how many of them as a #9, his actual position?
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Why is that his actual position? Players are asked to cover multiple positions all the freaking time. He has no hold up play whatsoever and all he wants to do is use his speed, so why doesn't the wing suit him? And wasn't he played in multiple positions with the youth teams?

Is it because LVG of all people played him at #9 for a bit and he had some beginner's luck that he must always be played there? I think Pilib deBrun is a farce and clown, but if there was any truth to this at all then Rashford is not what we thought he was.
 
Philadelphian said:
Why is that his actual position? Players are asked to cover multiple positions all the freaking time. He has no hold up play whatsoever and all he wants to do is use his speed, so why doesn't the wing suit him? And wasn't he played in multiple positions with the youth teams?

Is it because LVG of all people played him at #9 for a bit and he had some beginner's luck that he must always be played there? I think Pilib deBrun is a farce and clown, but if there was any truth to this at all then Rashford is not what we thought he was.
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Your name is too familiar to Pilp, @golden_blunder wield that ban stick!
 
OohAahMartial said:
Not wanting to digress into a more general debate about Jose's youth record, it is conceivable that Rashford after his great start last season and 11 league starts in a short period of time may have entertained expectations of having more starts this season than he has, and in the same position, and that when those expectations might become unhappy or disappointed - which is what these news reports seem to be claiming..
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If that were the case I'd be worried he was getting ideas above his station. A club like Manchester United should not be relying on starting a 19 year old with half a season under his belt up front on his own every week. 10 starts and status as the first go to sub is pretty much perfect for this stage of his development I reckon...

And if you didn't want a debate about Jose's youth record, you probably shouldn't have written this paragraph..

part of what Marcus is unhappy about is that Jose doesn't give so many opportunities to youth (and yet does to 35 year olds), be that in practice or just in reputation, also confirms another concern many had about Jose and how young players would feel about him. So far we have seen Jose adapt his style of football to the United Way but if he doesn't adapt to our Youth tradition to the satisfaction of our young players we may see the likes of Martial, Rashford, Shaw and Academy kids like Pereira looking for better opportunities to play and develop elsewhere.
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...Which has absolutely no basis in reality regarding the treatment of Marcus Rashford this season, whatever his position. You've chosen one of Jose's favourite ever young players, whom he's praised and played consistently all season (well, since late August at least) and concocted an alternate reality where he isn't giving him any chances, seemingly just to have a bit of a moan about it.

Apologies if that's not the case, but it's what it looks like.
 
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Not sure I'm willing to believe the article, to be honest, unless someone plumps for it's veracity. Stuff like that writes itself. 'Martial's off to PSG', 'Rashford slags Mourinho off in private', 'Mourinho hates youth players' etc. - easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy, don't need no sources when I can conjure a narrative that sells, and get clicks - which is all that matters in this day and age, not journalistic integrity. Pilib De Brun has a bit of a dubious record, too - has genuine contacts because of his radio show, but also says some attention grabbing things from time to time on Periscope - and a lot of his blurbs aren't based in reality.

Don't agree with the Zlatan is hurting Rashford and Martial's chances assertion in the OP, either. A manager needs to find a balance between performances right now (which Zlatan provides in relative terms), and potential performances in the future (which Rashford could provide) - we know how taking the now for granted (and assuming that you'll get X years to plan or bring players up to scratch) worked out for Moyes and Louis. And right now, neither player is ready to lead the line as a traditional Mourinho striker like Ibrahimović can (it's one of the hardest positions to play in the team, both physically and mentally - which is why he frequently puts his faith in the more experienced and well rounded heads who understand the assignments - evidenced by his record of singing or giving a prominent role to Drogba, Ibrahimović, Milito, Benzema, Costa).

Also, Rashford has not been used sparingly - he has almost as many minutes in the league as a polished professional in Mata - having made something like 17 starts over the course of the season (10 in the league, 3 in Europe and 4 in domestic cups), apart from more than a dozen substitute appearances - that's a very, very healthy number for someone who's short of the ideal level as a consistent starter at 9, and is playing for a club of United's stature in his teens. A lot of his starts are from out wide, but great players like Van Persie, Lewandowski (when Dortmund had Lucas Barrios), Tévez (among several others) also played wider when someone ahead of them was higher on the hierarchical-positional order, or was more suited for the striker position, or the manager felt that they were bets fits for wider roles, tactically. That's the old school way of developing forward players - the young ones need to lap up whatever minutes they get, instead of grappling with the central defenders on a regular basis.

Right now, Rashford's focus should be on getting minutes in whatever position the manager wants to play him in, and improving his game overall (and I'm sure that's his real behind-closed-doors outlook, not the one that the sensationalist media outlets portray). A young player like him can worry about numbers of starts, or ideal position, and demanding things when he's more experienced, has the skillset to play that position under a demanding manager like José, and has the resume to back his case for a specific position.
 
So in the summer we're getting shot of

Basti
Rooney
Smalling
Rojo
Blind
Shaw
Jones
Martial
Rashford
Mata
Mhiki - he was "unhappy" once
De Gea
Ibra
Fellaini

Probably forgotten more.

I wouldn't take serious any paper that prioritises events in Big Brother on their front page over actual news. That's I why I never read a tabloid cos they're total crap.
 
If true (which it probably isnt) then somebody at the club needs to have a word with him. Hes not Messi or Ronaldo FFS.
 
Got to be rubbish, all the Mourinho sycophants were sure signing Ibra would be a benefit to Rashford.
 
zeekey said:
So in the summer we're getting shot of

Basti
Rooney
Smalling
Rojo
Blind
Shaw
Jones
Martial
Rashford
Mata
Mhiki - he was "unhappy" once
De Gea
Ibra
Fellaini

Probably forgotten more.

I wouldn't take serious any paper that prioritises events in Big Brother on their front page over actual news. That's I why I never read a tabloid cos they're total crap.
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Don't forget young and darmian.
 
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