Rashford considering his future...

MvG said:
Even the genetics of simply having the physique to play football is out of one’s control and can be considered luck. Never mind being born in Manchester and coming through while we were total shite.

Rashy. Lucky boy indeed.
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Bebestation said:
Scouting can be lucky because not everything can happen at the same time.

Because he was better with more practice at a better age.

I played lots of football and people were wondered by my football but I had come to the game too late because my family didn't want me trying to achieve a life through sport.
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I played all the time from as early as I can remember. So did all my mates. None of us got anywhere near making it.

Do you really think the very small percentage who make it do so because they got souted and the rest of us didn't?
 
I mean I guess when you look at Messi, he was born with growth hormone deficiency.

If he didn't get the luck of his growth hormone injections then would he have made it?

Maybe everything is luck then.

Maybe it was unlucky that Rashford got tackled and broke his back at that time, if he had a cold that day then he might have missed the match and missed the tackle.

If being a sports man of Tennis, Cricket, Football, Basketball all comes down to luck - then I guess most things in this world do too.

Maybe it's luck that I had parents who forced me to study medicine. It's that luck that made me rich but also went and saved some of you people's lives at hospitals?

I don't know.
 
Bebestation said:
Natural talent luck is bullshit in my opinion.
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Completely disagree with this part mate.

Any player who makes it pro, be in Premiership, Championship or even 1st Division has a natural talent. Yes, there's a difference in natural talent in say Messi / Totti etc over a Teemu Pukki, but they all have a natural talent to be able to score.

There probably 0000's of players out there who work and train their socks off but will never make it as a pro because the football brain and natural talent just aren't there. Heck, even Gary Neville must have had some talent to have 85 England caps and 400 United appearances, it can't just be about hard work alone.

For me, the difference to unlocking your full potential is hard work - and that's where I'd agree with you that you have to put the hard work in and I'm not sure Rashford is doing that at the moment with all his off-field commitments (that being said, I have no idea how much spare time a player has and he might be utilising his in a different way, whilst Ronaldo might be using his in a cooling chamber!)

Even in my life - I feel like if I went and did what I enjoyed and was good at rather than going to do what my parents wanted or forced me to do then I would be in an even better and simpler, richer life than I am now. - Amen to that!!!!!
 
Marwood said:
I played all the time from as early as I can remember. So did all my mates. None of us got anywhere near making it.

Do you really think the very small percentage who make it do so because they got souted and the rest of us didn't?
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Did you get scouted?

Do you really think you played football better than Rashford did at a young age?
 
We need an rvn said:
Completely disagree with this part mate.

Any player who makes it pro, be in Premiership, Championship or even 1st Division has a natural talent. Yes, there's a difference in natural talent in say Messi / Totti etc over a Teemu Pukki, but they all have a natural talent to be able to score.

There probably 0000's of players out there who work and train their socks off but will never make it as a pro because the football brain and natural talent just aren't there. Heck, even Gary Neville must have had some talent to have 85 England caps and 400 United appearances, it can't just be about hard work alone.

For me, the difference to unlocking your full potential is hard work - and that's where I'd agree with you that you have to put the hard work in and I'm not sure Rashford is doing that at the moment with all his off-field commitments (that being said, I have no idea how much spare time a player has and he might be utilising his in a different way, whilst Ronaldo might be using his in a cooling chamber!)

Even in my life - I feel like if I went and did what I enjoyed and was good at rather than going to do what my parents wanted or forced me to do then I would be in an even better and simpler, richer life than I am now. - Amen to that!!!!!
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Okay I agree that there maybe a natural luck to football say by not being born disabled just as much as being born with good DNA (although this is called good karma rather than luck per se).

But is natural luck enough to get you to this game as a professional?
 
yumtum said:
Thing is, if you dropped Rashford, or most other footballers for that matter into a universe where they couldn't be a footballer and didn't have any footballing contacts then they'd be lumped in with the rest of us normies, living just above the breadline or poverty (where he began, and likel wuld stay for the rest of his life).

Rant over.
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It already already happened to ex-footballers in our own universe, when they didn't know what to do with the money and burnt it all on a lavish lifestyle and afterwards started working like a normal person to earn a living.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
It already already happened to ex-footballers in our own universe, when they didn't know what to do with the money and burnt it all on a lavish lifestyle and afterwards started working like a normal person to earn a living.
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Pretty much, but they probably didn't have financial advisers back then, footballers these days probably do, which probably makes them think their financial geniuses.

"If I can invest a million a year and make 100k off it yearly, why can't kids just invest 50k and make 5k a year? After 10 years they wouldn't need to work again."
 
Bebestation said:
Did you get scouted?

Do you really think you played football better than Rashford did at a young age?
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No that's my point. He had more natural talent. Which you don't think exists.

If all youngsters played football as much as Rashford did at a young age roughly what percentage do you think would become top level professionals?
 
Marwood said:
No that's my point. He had more natural talent. Which you don't think exists.

If all youngsters played football as much as Rashford did at a young age roughly what percentage do you think would become top level professionals?
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If DNA was all that was needed to become a footballer - alot more siblings, brothers and sisters of these amazing players would be footballers and better footballers than we have seen. There is some for sure but not alot either.

Most of the footballers must be single kids because their brother didn't have the luck to be born as a footballer but their brother did.

Okay.
 
Bebestation said:
If DNA was all that was needed to become a footballer - alot more siblings, brothers and sisters of these amazing players would be footballers and better footballers than we have seen.

Most of the footballers must be single kids because their brother didn't have the luck to be born as a footballer but their brother did.

Okay.
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Said nobody ever. If your point is that hard work is needed as well as talent that would be a point.

I think saying natural talent is bullshit is swinging to the other extreme.
 
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Bebestation said:
If DNA was all that was needed to become a footballer - alot more siblings, brothers and sisters of these amazing players would be footballers and better footballers than we have seen. There is some for sure but not alot either.

Most of the footballers must be single kids because their brother didn't have the luck to be born as a footballer but their brother did.

Okay.
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Again for someone with such a supposedly keen knowledge of medicine your understanding of genetics is really something.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Yeah, sure, give him another extended holiday. Are we in partnership with the make a wish foundation? I didn't say give him an extended holiday; what I said was to get away and reflex and decide if he's up for the fight to turn it around, as it's not visible that he is up for it. How many players have had holidays this season? Cavani seems to be on a never-ending holiday, Pogba was in Dubai for God knows how long instead of training here. Solskjaer and the entire team were sent away for a week after we got twatted and were at our lowest. Now we should send Rashford away for a few weeks while we struggle to make 4th.
I would not agree to allow players to go on holiday to Dubai while their I injured is a joke that needs to stop.

I have a another idea. A senior figure should pull him in to an office and give him an ultimatum. Buck up your ideas, work hard, put in some effort, and do your best as a professional footballer. If you can't do that, find another club.
I would agree he needs talking to, but has been done already by Ralf, but it needs to be done by the new manager as Rashford doesn't see eye to eye with Ralf.

Being supportive of players who need it is good, for a time. But with United it goes way beyond reasonable levels to the point where players take the piss and their treated like Kings. We're a professional football club, not a charity. There comes a point where players need to take accountability for their performances, just as we do in our jobs.
As a club, you have to be supportive or get rid of a player, but I would agree he needs to take ownership of his performances, but with the club helps along the way. I would this summer will be a significant turning point in his career one way or the other
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Ralf had said that he needs to show up and it looks like he selected Elanga instead of Rashford and now he said Elanga even defended very well in the last 20 mins when he played as a right back.
 
The most shameful season ever from a United player. A genuine disgrace to everything i thought was good about United.

I mean it in its fullest sense, he's a coward. A player of no heart or courage whatsoever. He was once
 
Two good through balls and he fecks it up.

Without his daddy ole backing him he is now completely exposed to his natural shit. Just a dumb footballer who just jogs.

Just throw him out . I am raging
 
He won’t be sold, but I wouldn’t care if I never see him in a United jersey again. His lack of effort and application to even the most basic of football is horrendous. He’s an absolute disgrace.
Same with Bruno.
Players on big contracts who have given up.
Sell the fecking lot of them
 
Imagine if players put in the effort on the pitch, rather than directing it to their agents about game time, FIFA stats, etc.
 
I had said rashford should have been fecked off during ole reign and he's still here stinking up the place and yet we have some fans still defending him.

Name me one game he hasn't produced turd.
 
pascell said:
The worst is that he and Shaw will get a pay rise with the new deals, both aren't good enough and ten Hag will have them sold.
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Yeah, I think we should be waiting to see if the new manager is going to even use them before saddling him with them for another 5 years on extortionate wages.
 
He will have the excuse of playing Liverpool. Didn't get a sniff etc.
 
What's happened to him? I get he's probably depressed. However, I never thought I'd see this shit attitude from him.
Is it the people he surrounds himself with? Does he people blowing smoke up his arse, so he thinks he doesn't need to continue working hard and improving himself?

Then I've picked up here and there (as I avoid football gossip), that he's one of the contenders for 'leaking' to the press. If this is really true, I am well disappointed in him.

I would have a talk with him, and depending on his attitude, I would get rid (never thought I would say that).
 
Match day thread exist for a reason..... You can go blame the STRIKER of the team with 60% pass accuracy and 20% possession in there.
 
I'm starting to actually dislike him now. He's becoming everything I hate about this Man United side. Huge, self inflated ego but fecking awful in everything that matters.

Sell please.
 
I've said it before.

He should consider his future as a footballer and not just his future at Man Utd. He hasn't looked interested in playing ball for nearly 2 years.
 
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