Rashford and Martial are a problem

If Rashford played for any other club we would be desperately begging our board to buy him. The fact that anyone would think that of anyone in our squad, Marcus Rashford is a problem is beyond me.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
"Our young, exciting winger who looks like he will average 20 goals from out wide and create a bunch doesn't pass that well!" Let's get rid.
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Rashford is no the problem. Martial on the other hand is a big problem. Get rid of. Along with Pogba.
 
sokol11 said:
Rashford is no the problem. Martial on the other hand is a big problem. Get rid of. Along with Pogba.
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Martial needs to find a bit of consistency. To be fair to him, he is incredibly talented and has been mismanaged since he was a teenager. Worth sticking with.

Pogba can go.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Martial needs to find a bit of consistency. To be fair to him, he is incredibly talented and has been mismanaged since he was a teenager. Worth sticking with.

Pogba can go.
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Martial simply lacks the fire. He is incredibly talented but playing on 50-70% of his abilities 95% of the time. And he will never change. Unfortunately...
 
Rashford is still a young kid so a little bit of inconsistency is to be expected - He just turned 23 a few days ago
 
Jordan_mufc said:
Am I the only one that thinks Rashford has been poor this season? More often than not he gives the ball away and kills a perfectly good move. He was in danger of costing us the game today with his sloppiness. Martial just as bad
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He has been poor. A couple of standout games and the winner in Paris have blinded people into thinking he's been good. He's been disappointing in most games this season.
 
The problem with our strikers is movement and creating space off the ball to allow others to do more.

Both martial and Rashford play with back to goal and like to receive the ball to feet and run, Rashford more than Martial. This sees those wonderful goals from running deep from our own half, on the counter but teams seem to have sussed that and why we get results against teams who have a go at us. But not those who sit back.

We basically need better CF and Cavani in his short appearances and obvious lack of match fitness has shown signs of what a CF should do.

You see someone like Calvert Lewin hold the ball up and Richarlison making runs and a psychic set up between the two, kane and Son another. No Richarlison and Everton are struggling.

Rashford has the ability to me pick a pass but doesn't do it often enough. He is a head down and run and have a shot most games. I see other getting frustrated with him. Including Cavani and Bruno today (although Bruno did applaud him after his initial wtf look). I've seen Martial actually stop as he knows he ain't getting the pass

The main thing for me is that better forwards will make the rest of the team better. Hold up, taking away defenders etc helps the MF which helps the defence. We lose the ball too quickly up front and then are back under the cosh


RVN was a fantastic striker but our team had the least success during his stay and when he was sold we went up a level.

And finally I think the mess at the club after SAF and changes have been detrimental to the development Rashford and Martial.
 
They were fairly consistent last season.

I don't think Martial has played well at all this season. Rashford has had some great performances.
 
I'd have Rashford over Sancho everyday of the week.
 
Roane said:
The problem with our strikers is movement and creating space off the ball to allow others to do more.

Both martial and Rashford play with back to goal and like to receive the ball to feet and run, Rashford more than Martial. This sees those wonderful goals from running deep from our own half, on the counter but teams seem to have sussed that and why we get results against teams who have a go at us. But not those who sit back.

We basically need better CF and Cavani in his short appearances and obvious lack of match fitness has shown signs of what a CF should do.

You see someone like Calvert Lewin hold the ball up and Richarlison making runs and a psychic set up between the two, kane and Son another. No Richarlison and Everton are struggling.

Rashford has the ability to me pick a pass but doesn't do it often enough. He is a head down and run and have a shot most games. I see other getting frustrated with him. Including Cavani and Bruno today (although Bruno did applaud him after his initial wtf look). I've seen Martial actually stop as he knows he ain't getting the pass

The main thing for me is that better forwards will make the rest of the team better. Hold up, taking away defenders etc helps the MF which helps the defence. We lose the ball too quickly up front and then are back under the cosh


RVN was a fantastic striker but our team had the least success during his stay and when he was sold we went up a level.

And finally I think the mess at the club after SAF and changes have been detrimental to the development Rashford and Martial.
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Mainly due to having complete liabilities in goal during that time. The improvement coincided with the sighning of VdS.
 
pocco said:
Neither are, or ever will be, top level players in their respective positions.
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I don't really know how you can say that with such authority. They're still very early on in their respective careers. Last season was the first time they both really consistently scored whilst in the same team. If they can do that again this season, we will have two extremely talented players we can rely on.
 
pocco said:
Neither are, or ever will be, top level players in their respective positions.
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Define top level. I think most people would say Rashford is a top level player.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Absolutely. He's ridiculously talented. Do you not?
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Let me put it this way for you, I believe Henry was the best player in the world at least twice and was robbed of ballon d'or's. There are a lot of technical issues in rashford's game that Henry, even at Monaco, had already sorted out. His first touch and creativity were on a level close to the Zidane's and Bergkamp's. He was tall and strong as well, so he was way better at holding up the ball than given credit for. Just not simply pace and finishing.
 
tjb said:
Let me put it this way for you, I believe Henry was the best player in the world at least twice and was robbed of ballon d'or's. There are a lot of technical issues in rashford's game that Henry, even at Monaco, had already sorted out. His first touch and creativity were on a level close to the Zidane's and Bergkamp's. He was tall and strong as well, so he was way better at holding up the ball than given credit for. Just not simply pace and finishing.
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But on the other hand, Rashford isn't a smug arrogant cheat. Swings and roundabouts really.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
If Rashford played for any other club we would be desperately begging our board to buy him. The fact that anyone would think that of anyone in our squad, Marcus Rashford is a problem is beyond me.
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Same for me. Absolute bonkers some of the posts I've been reading. Rashford is still very far from his peak age wise but crazy fans expect the consistency of a seasoned player already.
 
Martial was poor at Everton. Cavani coming off the bench and scoring should spook him a little bit. He needs to feel the pressure, breath on the back of his neck
 
Rashford and Martial both have similar ability and peak, and are both 20 goals a season forwards, at their best. But they are both wildly inconsistent. One week they are really electric, next week they feck everything up. While Martial goes missing in games, Rashford is extremely wasteful. Neither is significantly better or worse, and stats back that up, and anyone saying otherwise is just biased(which is normal, we all have favourites). Right now Rashford has more goals, so people are on Martial's back, but at the end of last season, it was the opposite.

They are both at their best when playing against a high line, and neither have that goal scorer's hunger, they are forwards, not CFs. Cavani is a pure CF, like Ibra or RvP.
 
meamth said:
Uh..he did it last season without playing all the games.
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kouroux said:
If it's total, he already did it last season.
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So does Danny Ings but is he good enough for us ? for a team who aspire to challenge for title , Martial shouldn't be our first choice number 9 , you might said 'but Firmino won the league" my question is , is Martial can do a job that Firmino did for Liverpool ?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Rashford has 5 goals and assists in 7 PL games this season.

Martial has 1 red card, 1 own goal, 0 shots on target and 0 key passes in 4 PL games this season.

One is not like the other.
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Big oof. There is no secret that Jose treated Martial unfairly and did not rate him at all. Based on last season i had high hopes that Ole had "unlocked" him and we would see more consistency from him, but apparently not. The biggest problem with Martial is not necessarily his inconsistency, but his bottom level is absolutely abysmal
 
Typical of the caf to have such a thread.

Rashford and martial had great output last season. Rashford is especially good young player and would walk into the starting 11 of most teams in the league and like most explosive players, he will have ups and downs. This is especially true when the schedule is hectic and demanding and the team is not functional as such.

Martial IMHO needs competition up front to bring the best out of him. He's a brilliant player who has just come off his best season. If he can replicate the output this season, I would be delighted.

They are certainly good enough to lead the line for us but just a little more competition is needed to keep them on edge and motivated.
 
Maureen-yo said:
All strikers are useless if they don't get service. If they don't get service, they can't score.
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But some help create. Martial helps create and Rashford scores. My point is those two are best when playing together.

tjb said:
Martial contributed nothing in the spurs game or the other first 2 games he played. Acting like he would have made a difference in the big games is simply farcical and baseless.
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None of our players where good in those two matches. They where all suffering from the lack of pre season. Several teams had freak results in those early matches due to that.
Basing your point on those matches is nonsense.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Rashford has shown he can have a poor game and still get you the winner. Martial hasn't.

Were an elite defender and an elite striker away from challenging.
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Agree. But this is exactly the problem when you have a young squad, hence a mix of experienced players like Bruno and Mata are essential.
 
I don’t think Martials aggressive enough to be a top level player. He’s got all the talent in the world, but he doesn’t seem to apply himself enough when up against it.

It’s frustrating as he has all the potential in the world.
 
Last season one of them was Fans' Player of the Year and the other Players' Player of the Year and scored 20 goals each.

Now they are a problem?
 
kouroux said:
Same for me. Absolute bonkers some of the posts I've been reading. Rashford is still very far from his peak age wise but crazy fans expect the consistency of a seasoned player already.
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The point of this thread isn’t to complain about Rashford’s lack of consistency. As it’s exactly what you’d expect from a player his age. If anything, he’s less inconsistent (and way more talented) than any other young attacker in the league. But this expected inconsistency can still be a problem, especially when he’s leading the line with players who blow as hot and cold as Martial, James, Greenwood and Mata (none of whom are in their peak years either)
 
They are like the Smalling-Jones partnership

After 10 years of playing them regular starters, United understood they were not good enough around their 30’s

Protected for many years because of their age

Same thing for Rashford and Martial, I like them but too inconsistent for winning purposes
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The point of this thread isn’t to complain about Rashford’s lack of consistency. As it’s exactly what you’d expect from a player his age. If anything, he’s less inconsistent (and way more talented) than any other young attacker in the league. But this expected inconsistency can still be a problem, especially when he’s leading the line with players who blow as hot and cold as Martial, James, Greenwood and Mata (none of whom are in their peak years either)
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Maybe not you but I still think many are judging Rashford too harshly at times. Don't get me wrong, he frustrates me a lot with some of his decisions (passing instead of shooting or vice versa) but then I remember his age and the responsability on his shoulders since he emerged. Ideally we shouldn't be in this situation, instead of James we could have done with a more seasoned pro.
 
tjb said:
Let me put it this way for you, I believe Henry was the best player in the world at least twice and was robbed of ballon d'or's. There are a lot of technical issues in rashford's game that Henry, even at Monaco, had already sorted out. His first touch and creativity were on a level close to the Zidane's and Bergkamp's. He was tall and strong as well, so he was way better at holding up the ball than given credit for. Just not simply pace and finishing.
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So Henry was ridiculously technical and creative, had height, pace and strength, could hold up the ball and finish well but still didn't make it at Juve? Are you mad?

Henry was not a finished product by any measure before Wenger. I don't know if Rashford can be compared to him, I can't say who is better at that age but you are exaggerating Henry's qualities beyond the extreme.
 
georgipep said:
So Henry was ridiculously technical and creative, had height, pace and strength, could hold up the ball and finish well but still didn't make it at Juve? Are you mad?

Henry was not a finished product by any measure before Wenger. I don't know if Rashford can be compared to him, I can't say who is better at that age but you are exaggerating Henry's qualities beyond the extreme.
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I don’t think you appreciate how good Henry was....
 
Jonno said:
I don’t think you appreciate how good Henry was....
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Sorry, didn't mean to derail this thread with Henry comparisons.

My point was that Rashford is fine and will continue to develop, whereas Martial probably needs someone like Poch to get the best out of him as he seems a complex character.
 
100% on Martial.


He has started so poor to the season. Looks slow, and way of the pace at the moment. So off the pace making him look like he has no pace.



Hampered us big time so far as when were winning matches consistency the front line was unstoppable.


I'm expecting him to come back into form but needs to be fast. 10 games into season he only scored a penalty.
 
georgipep said:
So Henry was ridiculously technical and creative, had height, pace and strength, could hold up the ball and finish well but still didn't make it at Juve? Are you mad?

Henry was not a finished product by any measure before Wenger. I don't know if Rashford can be compared to him, I can't say who is better at that age but you are exaggerating Henry's qualities beyond the extreme.
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Jonno said:
I don’t think you appreciate how good Henry was....
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Rashford got 17 goals and 7 assists in 31 games last year.

Henry at Rashford's age had just scored 17 league goals and 8 assists in 37 games in his first season at Arsenal and wasn't the finished article either.

Let's see how he develops and try not to compare developing footballers with elite strikers at their peak.
 
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