Rashford needed an earlier pass and he needed to be a bit more patient - took the piss how many times he was offside.
Cavani shoudve started up top vs Henderson.
Cavani shoudve started up top vs Henderson.
Rashford and Martial are a problem
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Rashford seems to have really remained stagnant with regards to his decision making and he fecks up so many attacks by doing the wrong thing. He’s always capable of producing a moment - but some of the choices he makes are often baffling.
We need proper wide players to move them out of wide areas. It seems Ole is serious about playing a 4-2-3-1 so let's get the right wide players for the system.
I think United should offer Martial and Pogba both to PSG for Mbappe.
Rashford is offside 5+ times a game. RVP was the same for us but RVP didn't have young legs. Rashford has no excuse but being piss poor at timing his run.
Or 18 times in 18 league games this season, in the real world.
Not always...today there one where Pogba took one too many touches and that put Rashford offside. On another that they raised the flag the replay showed that he was onside. Or at least it appeared that way. Either way, against a team like Liverpool that plays such a high line you have to make those runs and eventually you can catch them out...
If you only count League games yeah, I remember a few games back he was offside about 5 times in one game.
If he is as bad as some have said then why is he rated as a 100mil plus player?
Rashford need to time his runs and there were times when our MFs could have played the ball early but they took one too many touches
Martial for all his holdup play and dribbling shouldn't have started. Cavani played way better imo with his movements and physical threat.
Martial for all his holdup play and dribbling shouldn't have started. Cavani played way better imo with his movements and physical threat.
For a lad often not classed as intelligent he had a bloody good ‘footballing brain’ and was incredibly driven on the pitch. Two things that seem to be missing from Rashford and Martial
23 times in 31 appearances in all competitions. You're pulling hyperbolic nonsense out of your backside.
Funnily enough, "a few games back" = yesterday, where he actually was offside five times. Almost like he was playing with the express intent of getting in behind one of the highest lines in the league! And someone else has already explained to you how that doesn't indicate "piss poor" run timing.
This is my stance as well. Rashford has not had his best season, but even when he plays poorly he can deliver decisive moments and his stats speak for themselves
Honestly, overall Martial has not been that much worse than Rashford, but lacks the output and that is a huge problem. At the current rate Martial is going hes providing a goal or an assist every 198 minutes. Thats not even close to good enough for a 25 year old
Rashford being asked to play at 9 vs his usual inside forward position may have caused his unusually high number of offsides. He hasn’t played in that role for some time. He is our second most creative player - unfortunately we have to change formations and tactics every other game which I think causes some of his inconsistency.
Martial on the other hand - not sure what’s going on. He runs like he is a 35 year old who doesn’t have the confidence that he will beat a defender for pace. There was some news that he was struggling from a fitness perspective so that may have caused it. We need another forward so we can rest some legs and cater for dips in form over a season. James clearly doesn’t have Ole’s confidence. Not sure what’s going on with Greenwood but he could have been an answer if this was last season.
Martial on the other hand - not sure what’s going on. He runs like he is a 35 year old who doesn’t have the confidence that he will beat a defender for pace. There was some news that he was struggling from a fitness perspective so that may have caused it. We need another forward so we can rest some legs and cater for dips in form over a season. James clearly doesn’t have Ole’s confidence. Not sure what’s going on with Greenwood but he could have been an answer if this was last season.
I clearly recall Rashford had 2 may be more run into the box. May be due to good defending, or Rashford's poor 1st touch, or poor decision making, he ran the ball out of danger.
Even the Wolf's goal was almost out of bound as well, he cut back and managed to get a lucky shot, which you may not be so lucky against a Top side.
Rashford is normally better after returning from England duty where he's had some decent coaching and quality players around him.
Probably my own fault for starting this thread but it’s turned into a bit of a trainwreck, full of unbearably bad takes.
FAO the goldfish memories. This isn’t career highlights. Or footage from years ago. This is all from one season. Last season. Just shows what they’re capable of when they hit some form.
I’m not sure why they’re both (actually all three, including Mason) struggling to replicate what we saw in this video but we’ll run away with the league if they manage it.
FAO the goldfish memories. This isn’t career highlights. Or footage from years ago. This is all from one season. Last season. Just shows what they’re capable of when they hit some form.
I’m not sure why they’re both (actually all three, including Mason) struggling to replicate what we saw in this video but we’ll run away with the league if they manage it.
This is the odd thing in a way. How we find ourselves at the top despite the fact that our front three have not been firing at all. I was sort of expecting them to even improve this season and kick on... but their form has been worse than what we know they are all capable of.
If they do hit form though in the second half of the season, we would be very serious title contenders.
I don't think it's either of their faults really, their 2 players who have wanted to play as strikers but then were shoved out on the wing for years and now are kind of in-between players, not particularly great at either position but ok at both.
You look where Rashford was when he first broke through and he had an instinct in and around the box, he knew when to shoot, now when he's through on goal he seems to never know when the best time to pull the trigger and seems to always end up holding onto the ball too long.
It's simply been bad player management and bad coaching. You can't play young players out of position for years on end and not expect it to have an effect on their development. And we don't learn we are doing exactly the same thing with Greenwood!
You look where Rashford was when he first broke through and he had an instinct in and around the box, he knew when to shoot, now when he's through on goal he seems to never know when the best time to pull the trigger and seems to always end up holding onto the ball too long.
It's simply been bad player management and bad coaching. You can't play young players out of position for years on end and not expect it to have an effect on their development. And we don't learn we are doing exactly the same thing with Greenwood!
Wow you actually remember how many times a player is offside. You must really have an issue with them!
Rashford as a LW forward is more than good enough. Rashford as a striker or RW is a million miles away from the quality we need.
We badly need a RW and a CF. It will never happen but imagine the difference a Harry Kane would make to us? It's been way too long since we had a world class striker.
We badly need a RW and a CF. It will never happen but imagine the difference a Harry Kane would make to us? It's been way too long since we had a world class striker.
Or it's just really obvious how shit they are at timing runs.
Been proven wrong to be fair
I wish
Couldn’t agree with you more. No comparison between them but Rooney was a once in a generation player, pretty much. The Haaland of his day. I don’t believe you can train that intelligence into players. It’s instinct and you either have it or you don’t.
Put Rashford back on the left. Drop Martial for Cavani. Put Greenwood on the right. Persevere with this for the next 3 games. All 3 should improve in their more comfortable positions. Greenwoods confidence should come back as well
Grealish is a much better player.
Cant see the point in replacing the only player who is carrying our front 3 as a goal threat this season.
Rashfords so called bad run is happening because hes shifted wide to the right or up top. Grealish doesnt affect that.
He was unfairly slated by some fans. They had a clear agenda against Rooney.
It really is time for them to be consistent 90 minute performers. Not kids any more and if they don't make big strides soon I don't think we can build around either of them long term.
That rating has no real value though, hes only worth what a team would pay for him, and I highly doubt any team would offer close to that.
Provided we can find someone to pay good value (which I very much doubt knowing us), I unfortunately think it’s best for both parties if we cash in. I don’t see him hitting his potential here but he certainly has the ability to do it elsewhere. And from our perspective, the opportunity to sign a true no. 9 and right winger would suggest us having to choose between Martial and Rashford.
For all of the (fair) criticism Rashford takes, I have seen little to nothing from Martial under Solskjær to convince me I would rather him in the squad than Rashford.
For all of the (fair) criticism Rashford takes, I have seen little to nothing from Martial under Solskjær to convince me I would rather him in the squad than Rashford.
The acid test is whether we would vote here to pay £100million for him if he was at another club and playing like he’s playing now.
Not an investment I would support.
With what you could do with that money instead of buying him I would think theres no chance we would buy him.
If he played for another club, would you recommend buying him for this fee?
So true. Neither are anywhere remotely close to Rooneys level.
As a fan base we have a a problem admitting when a player we produce demonstrates limitations that they’re unlikely to grow out of.
Similar to Welbeck and Lingard where permanent limitations in their game were clear once they became established and those limitations persisted but many refused to accept there’s this and carried on the baseless hope that if we’ve produced then “they’ll come good”
Rashford isn’t a bad player, he is though a squad player. Same applies to Martial. Neither will develop beyond that but because we produced Rashford and not Martial there’ll be so many refusing to accept that until (and even when) he’s 33 and making the same mistakes.
Similar to Welbeck and Lingard where permanent limitations in their game were clear once they became established and those limitations persisted but many refused to accept there’s this and carried on the baseless hope that if we’ve produced then “they’ll come good”
Rashford isn’t a bad player, he is though a squad player. Same applies to Martial. Neither will develop beyond that but because we produced Rashford and not Martial there’ll be so many refusing to accept that until (and even when) he’s 33 and making the same mistakes.
Good point. I think we would have zero interest in signing him.
If by problem you mean not consistently world-class, then yes they're a problem.
But they're fantastic forwards on their day, both of whom have the ability to change a game in an instant.
I do think we need an out-and-out number 9 to get the most from them. Whether or not Cavani can take that role, or Greenwood develop into it, is still to be seen.
But they're fantastic forwards on their day, both of whom have the ability to change a game in an instant.
I do think we need an out-and-out number 9 to get the most from them. Whether or not Cavani can take that role, or Greenwood develop into it, is still to be seen.