Raphael Varane

Done deal apparently :

Manchester United appear to have won the race to sign Lens defender Raphael Varane and could be unveiled shortly after next week's Champions League final.

Lens have been relegated and are in a position where it has become impossible to hang on to their 18-year-old starlet.

French paper L'Equipe is reporting that United have been negotiating economic terms, which could include the player spending a time back at Lens on loan, and are close to finalising the deal.

Newcastle were also keen on Varane and United's good news news will also come as a blow to Barcelona, Juventus and Borussia Dortmund, who were all chasing the same player.

Football premier-league: Man United set to sign French youngster | Radio talkSPORT
 
This guy is probably just as good as Rodwell but will cost less than half.
Signing him as an 18 year old is perfect because he will be a home grown player even after he turns 21.

Weather or not we need a new center back is debatable. But both rio and vida are into their 30s so the manager may be looking to the future.

If he is signed as a holding midfielder, then his signing makes perfect sense.
 
A couple of itk's on twitter claiming we've all but wrapped this up and he'll be loaned to a French club next season. And when I say itk's I mean people who have consistently provided accurate information.

Out of genuine interest, who are these people?
 
This guy is probably just as good as Rodwell but will cost less than half.
Signing him as an 18 year old is perfect because he will be a home grown player even after he turns 21.

Weather or not we need a new center back is debatable. But both rio and vida are into their 30s so the manager may be looking to the future.

If he is signed as a holding midfielder, then his signing makes perfect sense.

It's 3 years in the country prior to turning 21, isn't it?

If so he won't have enough time to meet the criteria.
 
Varane has been the main and late surprise of Lens this year. One of the very few positive outcomes in a nightmarish season so far, ending with relegation.

He has always stood out as a leader at both youth level and reserve team, though he did not play much with the latter. He's cool and composed, tall with an impressive physical presence for his age and i think he can very much improve in this area as well.

He's a pure defender imho. The coach used him at first as defensive midfield vs Paris i think, because Hoarau is hugely dominant in the air and Varane was almost playing as 3rd central defender in this game. He has played a few more games in this position but i'm not really convinced, maybe he lacks games and experience there as well as a bit of vision and technique - compared to good passing-midfielders though, i'm a bit tough with him on that maybe.

His potentiel is real but he's so young, it's hard to say if Man Utd is the right choice both for the player and for the club. Ferdinand and Vidic are world-class, Smalling and Evans remain good prospects, the step will be huge for Varane...

Sir Alex had an eye on another Lens youngster during some time (Darnel Situ, playing central defender) and he might have changed his mind now that Varane has taken the edge. Varane is beginning to appear at international youth level as well.

He's finishing his studies this year (A-levels) and he is 18 now so it might be the right time before he becomes too much wanted. He'll need to become more agressive and gain some muscle but the potential is there.

Surely, i would have gone for someone else in France (Sakho is expensive but tremendous really, i see him as the best French defender in potential and in the years coming, just to name one) but nothing done yet and Sir Alex knows what he wants to build.

Thanks for that! You should post more!
 
It's 3 years in the country prior to turning 21, isn't it?

If so he won't have enough time to meet the criteria.

I *think* being 3 years in the country by the end of the season in which you turn 21 is enough, but I am not sure on that. Remember reading that was the ruling before. still don't know if that would be enough for him.
 
I *think* being 3 years in the country by the end of the season in which you turn 21 is enough, but I am not sure on that. Remember reading that was the ruling before. still don't know if that would be enough for him.

That is the rule. I'm not sure what happens if we send him out on loan to france.
 
Okay, cheers for that. So theoretically he can still fall within the rule.

As Maltese says though, what happens if he's sent on loan?
 
Is that just a completely unfounded, random guess?

Yes We get to see English players often and therefore get more excited about them. This guy is very highly rated in France. I'm just assuming that the the hype around him in his country would be equivalent to the hype about rodwell.

But yes it does all boil down to a completely unfounded Guess:wenger:
 
From what's been said apparently this guy would cost around £3 million, vs Rodwell who is being touted at £20 million, and Phil Jones who would probably be around the same. Sounds like a Fergie deal!!

I know these numbers are probably made up and if we did get Rodwell we wouldn't pay that and the price would probably depend on appearances, winning things etc, but it seems like a no brainer to me. Just goes to show how over-priced English players are, as though I've never seen Varane play by the reports it doesn't seem that Rodwell or Jones are that much better than him to be worth 6 or 7 times as much money.

Also a good point on the possibility of him being classed as home grown. It'll be interesting to see if it comes off.
 
From what's been said apparently this guy would cost around £3 million, vs Rodwell who is being touted at £20 million, and Phil Jones who would probably be around the same. Sounds like a Fergie deal!!

Loads of rumors out there, difficult to pick up one more than another. It's also been said that it could be 10M€, that it might or might not include a percentage on a potential sale by Man Utd, etc. Anyway, he'd be cheaper than Rodwell, but he's not a midfielder at all at the moment imho.
 
How much for the whole deal? I would imagine there will be loads of add-ons and appearances etc

Abit bemused why Wenger has not show his interest in another one of these French young kids from ligue 1 though (not that i know of)
 
How often does the club sign a foreign player and loan him back out to the club?

I'd wager if this signing does go through the player will be with United next season.

Not counting those African/Chinese/whomever teens they would send out to Belgium for obvious reasons (i.e. work permit problems).
 
How often does the club sign a foreign player and loan him back out to the club?

I'd wager if this signing does go through the player will be with United next season.

Not counting those African/Chinese/whomever teens they would send out to Belgium for obvious reasons (i.e. work permit problems).

And our stream of Brazilians now.
 
How often does the club sign a foreign player and loan him back out to the club?

I'd wager if this signing does go through the player will be with United next season.

Not counting those African/Chinese/whomever teens they would send out to Belgium for obvious reasons (i.e. work permit problems).
From what I have read (And seen misreported in english based media) is that Fergie wants Varane and wants him to be part of the squad next season. Varane wants either assurances over playing time or to be loaned back to France (but not to Lens, as Varane doesn't want to play L2 football) - PSG have been mentioned.

If he signs for United and isn't loaned back to France, I would have to think that Evans could be on the way out, though I would be a bit surprised.
 
A young player wanting assurances over playing time? I can see the club telling him to feck off. Rossi tried that shit too. As did Mexes when United were rumored in for him a long time ago.

Besides, there's so much rotation with injuries and rest that if he's good enough, he'll get plenty of playing time. If he wants to play every day, he should sign with Blackburn or whomever. Or stay in France.
 
A young player wanting assurances over playing time? I can see the club telling him to feck off. Rossi tried that shit too. As did Mexes when United were rumored in for him a long time ago.

Pique left for the same reason too.

I can see Fergie giving the lad SOME sort of assurances, but beyond Carling Cup and maybe CL if we do well in the group stages I can't see Fergie promising much and I wouldn't expect him to either.

To be honest, I don't blame the lad either. If he is on the fringes of the France senior side I can see why he would want assurances that he won't be dumped to the reserves - he'll need to be playing fairly regularly at a decent level to keep his name in the hat. Of course if he is good enough, he will get good game time, but when you have Rio and Vidic (at least) in front of you, you have to stop and think about it.

I criticise players like Affelay for going to Barcelona and getting annoyed when they aren't first team players - or various Real Madrid players, or Man City more recently, so when a young player actually thinks about his development and playing time before deciding on a move, I can't really have an issue with it.
 
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Lens' Raphael Varane is set to decide on whether to join Man United in the next week or so. Fergie doesnt want to loan him back out. #mufc
 
A young player wanting assurances over playing time? I can see the club telling him to feck off. Rossi tried that shit too. As did Mexes when United were rumored in for him a long time ago.

Besides, there's so much rotation with injuries and rest that if he's good enough, he'll get plenty of playing time. If he wants to play every day, he should sign with Blackburn or whomever. Or stay in France.

There's a difference between wanting assurances that you will be part of the first team squad and given opportunities to play in first team games, and demanding that you must be the first choice center-back.

One is a perfectly valid concern about your own development, while the other is an unreasonable demand that no serious manager should ever countenance.
 
Any 18yo who wonders if coming to United is going to aid his development obviously does not know this club.

This is THE club for developing young talent.

Look at Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Smalling, Evans, Hernandez and The Da Silvas.
 
Any 18yo who wonders if coming to United is going to aid his development obviously does not know this club.

This is THE club for developing young talent.

Look at Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Smalling, Evans, Hernandez and The Da Silvas.

Is that all the players we've developed over the years.....funny I could have sworn we've had a few more
 
Okay, cheers for that. So theoretically he can still fall within the rule.

As Maltese says though, what happens if he's sent on loan?

If he's sent out on loan to France then he won't be able to qualify as a homegrown player for us. If he went out on loan to an English club then he'd still qualify as a homegrown player but in terms of the Champions League rules he would then become an ''association trained homegrown player'' as opposed to the more valuable status of a ''club trained homegrown player''.

As an example, it was important that Fabio didn't go out on loan to a Portuguese club this season, as was rumoured last Summer, because he'd have lost his ability to qualify for homegrown status.
 
There's a difference between wanting assurances that you will be part of the first team squad and given opportunities to play in first team games, and demanding that you must be the first choice center-back.

One is a perfectly valid concern about your own development, while the other is an unreasonable demand that no serious manager should ever countenance.

And therefore don't sign with a big club if one is afraid of not getting matches. It's the risk one must take.
 
And therefore don't sign with a big club if one is afraid of not getting matches. It's the risk one must take.

Yes but the point is thats its perfectly reasonable and not cheeky or underhand for him to ask whether the manager sees him near his first team plans or whether he is "one for the future" the "future" perhap only coming after 2 seasons in the reserves.

Were I an 18 year old footballer who had just played a ligue 1 season as a first teamer for most of it, I would ask exactly the same question before joining any big club.
 
Being reported in the guardian too

Manchester United poised to sign Lens prospect Raphaël Varane | Football | The Guardian

Manchester United confidently expect to begin their summer transfer business by signing Raphaël Varane from Lens in a continuation of their policy to recruit potential stars of the future rather than established category-A players.

Varane is regarded as one of the outstanding young players in the French game after breaking into the Lens team at the age of 17. Now 18, he was unable to stop them being relegated from Ligue 1 but has been commended for his mature performances after establishing himself in the side over the past two months.

Sir Alex Ferguson's scouts have been regular visitors to the Stade Félix-Bollaert during that period. Formal talks have opened between the clubs and, subject to a fee being agreed, the deal is described as being very close. Lens initially asked for around £10m for a player who signed a new contract in February to tie him to the club to 2015. United want to pay less and the latest discussions have centred on reaching a compromise and the structure of the payments.

After that, Varane's advisers have floated the possibility that he could go on loan to another club, possibly Paris Saint-Germain, next season. The player's concern about moving to Manchester is that he will not get many first-team opportunities, but the early feedback from Old Trafford is that Ferguson wants him to get to know the English game.

Varane, a France Under-21 international who has also represented his country at Under-18 and Under-17 level, is described by the Lens youth-team coach, Eric Assadourian, as a "truly first-class player". Fast, strong and competitive, he stands at 6ft 3in and his ability in the air is reflected in the headed goals he has scored from corners in two of his past three games.

Varane played those matches as a defensive central midfielder but it is his performances as a centre-half that have brought him to the attention of Ferguson at a time when Rio Ferdinand can no longer be guaranteed to play a full season and Wes Brown is out of contract next summer and contemplating ending his long association with the club.

As well as Nemanja Vidic, Ferguson also has Chris Smalling and Jonny Evans to provide extra competition for the centre-half places. Yet Ferdinand's recurrent injury issues have meant the 32-year-old is used sparingly these days while Brown, at 31, has played only seven league games this season, not even qualifying for a championship medal.

In Varane's case, there was a need for United to act quickly, in the knowledge that Arsenal's manager, Arsène Wenger, is also acutely aware of the teenager's emergence. The player has had other offers from France, Spain and Germany and Lens have no appetite for trying to persuade him to stay now they have been demoted to the second tier of French football.
The fact Varane can also play in a holding midfield role will also appeal to Ferguson, especially as Owen Hargreaves's contract at Old Trafford runs out next month.

Ferguson has placed particular emphasis on United's scouting network since it became clear the newly crowned champions no longer have the financial muscle to challenge Manchester City and Chelsea in the transfer market. The emphasis now is on identifying young players who can form part of the club's future without necessarily costing vast sums of money. Cristiano Ronaldo is the prime example and, more recently, Smalling is also in that category, costing £10m from Fulham but relatively unknown when the deal was arranged in January last year.

If everything goes according to plan with Varane, the emphasis will switch back to finding a replacement for Edwin van der Sar. United's interest in David de Gea of Atlético Madrid has cooled a little in the past few months because of his erratic performances and Van der Sar is recommending the club go for the man who has replaced him in the Holland team, Maarten Stekelenburg of Ajax.
 
I think this is just a rehash of the news in L'equipe, although Taylor has got some good sources within the club.

Another article on Varane, looks very promising this lad
This can’t be the best of times to follow Les Sang et Or your team sits precariously in the relegation zone while you look up at your biggest rivals on the brink of their first title since 1954. With the dark clouds circling overhead the Stade Felix Bollaert fans in the Marek stand are beginning to look towards the ray of sunshine coming from the centre of their defence.

Back in November Lens recorded only their third clean sheet at home when they beat Montpellier 2-0. Lining up in the centre of defence in place of Alaeddine Yahia was 17 year old Raphaël Varane, his debut went mostly unnoticed but now thirteen games later and Varane is one of the hottest properties in Ligue 1.

The team failed to win any of the next six games under Coach Jean-Guy Wallemme and subsequently he was handed his P45. In Wallemme’s last game Varane was asked to play in central midfield, most of the game he was used as a fifth defender dropping back deep to cover Bordeaux’s attackers. Lens lost a late equaliser and Wallemme was gone, however the young defender’s stock was rising.

New coach Romanian Laszlo Boloni has brought on Varane in leaps and bounds in only a short space of time. The former Nancy, Monaco and Rennes coach is known for bringing through Ricardo Quaresma and Cristiano Ronaldo while he was at Sporting in Portugal and now he is working wonders with Lens next crop of youngsters. Boloni has shown great faith in Varane playing him in a mixture of centre back and midfield and at no time has he looked out of his depth.

In January when Lens travelled the short distance down the road to the Stade Lille Metropole home of arch-rivals Lille, instead of cowering away and letting the occasion get the better of him Varane stepped up and became a leader of his team. Lille were leading the way in Ligue 1 and carrying a reputation for scoring goals. The pre-match predictions were for Lille’s run to continue. Lens had other ideas, Varane played superb in the back four, and dealt with everything the home side threw at them. With Lille’s “Plan A” not working against Varane and co. Rudi Garcia made a couple of changes and Lille sneaked a 1-0 win. Lens were beginning to look better organised under Boloni but results still wouldn’t go their way, but with Varane in the team there was room for optimism.

At the tender age of 17 Raphaël has a very imposing frame, standing at 191cm tall and showing a strong physique, with time to develop there is a great chance by the time he is 21 he will tower over most players in Ligue 1. To match the mature build he has already developed Varane has also shown great maturity in his play, the phrase “an old head on young shoulders” has already been used many times to describe the youngster.

At the age of seven Varane joined local club Hellemmes, after playing in the Arrondissement of Lille for two years and after much interest in his home town club he decided to join RC Lens. By 2008 Raphaël had quickly moved through the youth ranks and was playing in the Under 16’s. Only a year later and despite being two years younger than most of his teammates Varane was then promoted to the Under 19s.

Promoted again to the reserve team in 2010 it was only after ten appearances in the CAF that the call came for Varane to move up to the first team. It’s not just in club football that the defender has seen his career fast-tracked, already he has earned caps for Les Bleues at Under 18 and 19 level. And with Philippe Mexes out with a knee injury there has been talk of Varane receiving a call up by Laurent Blanc to the full national team.

The speed of Varane’s ascent has been no fluke; the outstanding ability he has shown so far vindicates the rise he has made in the first team. His huge frame makes him commanding in the air and he is also not afraid to stick his foot into a tackle. With his versatility to move into midfield he is also able to read the game well and with this comes a good sense of positioning. His passing is not the greatest but with a player so young it will easily improve over time.

RC Lens are on the brink of once again being relegated to Ligue 2 and with relegation comes the pressure to sell off your most valuable assets. It would be a disaster for Lens if they had to sell Varane after not even completing a whole season for the club. Making his way through the ranks since he was 9 years old, with so much time and effort invested in his development it would hurt the club to lose him so soon.

Already all the big name clubs have shown interest in the 17 year old: Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, As Roma and Bayern Munich the list goes on and on. It would be a credit to the team and the league if Raphaël was to stay with the club and help them back into Ligue 1.

For Ligue 1 to continue to improve and grow as it has been over the last few years the league needs star players, at only 17 Raphaël Varane has shown to be a young exciting player. With the coaching and training he is receiving at Lens in a few years he could be a jewel in the Ligue 1 crown.
 
How much for the whole deal? I would imagine there will be loads of add-ons and appearances etc

Abit bemused why Wenger has not show his interest in another one of these French young kids from ligue 1 though (not that i know of)

Probably a good thing as he's a defender and Arsenal dont have one in their squad
 
If he's sent out on loan to France then he won't be able to qualify as a homegrown player for us. If he went out on loan to an English club then he'd still qualify as a homegrown player but in terms of the Champions League rules he would then become an ''association trained homegrown player'' as opposed to the more valuable status of a ''club trained homegrown player''.

As an example, it was important that Fabio didn't go out on loan to a Portuguese club this season, as was rumoured last Summer, because he'd have lost his ability to qualify for homegrown status.

Interesting. I'm pretty sure these things are taken into consideration before deciding on if a player should go out on loan as well.
 
letranger0's been busy as always, he's been watching Varane when he can and would like to share his thoughts with whoever's interested:


I've been watching this lad play over the last few days and while I have only watched him eight times I feel pretty safe in saying he has all the tools required to become an excellent player. In fact for someone who just turned 18 a few weeks ago it's remarkable how complete and ready he already is. His L'Équipe rating based on 19 starts this season is 5.53 (for reference league leader Mamadou Sakho is 6.10) which makes him Lens's best player according to them (the site currently lists Adil Hermach, 5.36, as their best player but I assume that's because you have to have a certain number of starts to qualify for that list and Varane's 19 isn't enough), so we're not just talking about potential we're talking about someone who has already been putting in some very good (and consistent, his individual match ratings this season have all been 5s and 6s apart from two 4s and one 7) performances. So with that introductory spiel out of the way here are some of my thoughts:

The first thing to note about Raphaël Varane is that he has a weird ë in his name. The second thing to note is his physique. According to L'Équipe he is already 1.91m (6 ft 3) tall and weighs 85kg. He's also fairly agile and while he's no sprinter he is definitely not slow either. So the physical foundation is clearly there, it's just a matter of him learning to use his body to his advantage. He's already good in the air (his aerial duel success rate is 70% according to WhoScored.com, though I should note that he generally lets his CBs (if he is playing DM) or his CB partner deal with most of the aerial situations) but when it comes to using his body in close marking situations he can still improve. For example against Bordeaux last week he had some difficulties dealing with Diabate's physical presence and his back-to-goal play. I don't want to make it sound like he was struggling badly because he wasn't, and even though Diabete was able to hold up the ball and shield it from Varane relatively comfortably it never led to any dangerous situations, but a more physical and experienced CB would have been able to shut down Diabate even better. All that said given the physical tools he has there is no reason to think he won't be able to develop those skills in the future.

His physique isn't his biggest strength however, his biggest strengths are his tactical skills. His positioning, both as a DM and as a CB, is excellent, as is his awareness of his surroundings. His anticipation is also very good and it helps him make a lot of interceptions (2.9 per match according to WhoScored.com (and they get their stats straight from Opta in case you are unfamiliar with their site)). In everything he does he really exhibits a composure and maturity that is remarkable (there's that word again) for someone so young.

When he goes in for a tackle he almost always stays on his feet instead of sliding in, and my eyeball test says his success rate is ok, but he is definitely more of an interceptor than a tackler and in general prefers to keep the player in front of him and try to block the passing lanes and his path rather than going straight for the ball. The one exception I've noticed is when he has a player in front of him with his back to goal and the ball is coming into his (the player's) feet, he is quite aggressive in trying to slip round him and get his foot to the ball before he can receive the pass, which can at times leave him exposed to being turned. It's not a major concern but something where experience will help him in choosing the right moments to go for it.

My early impression of his technical skills is positive. I don't want to speak definitely because even though his passing stats on lfp.fr claim he attempts c. 40 passes per match he hasn't been that involved in Lens's passing play in the matches I watched. Particularly when he played as a DM his off the ball movement when Lens were in possession was a little passive for my taste. That said Lens don't really care much for extended spells of possession and instead prefer a direct style, playing the ball quickly to the flanks then trying to get crosses into the box, so if played in a more possession-oriented system it's possible he would be more active.

There have however been small glimpses of good control, first touch and one-touch passing and even in tight spaces under pressure he doesn't panic. He also seems comfortable passing the ball with either foot. He always looks to play the ball out of defense rather than hoofing it upfield or out of play. His overall pass completion rate is on the low side (76%/WhoScored.com) but from the eyeball test I can say his first instinct is to play the ball forward and I really can't remember too many occasions (nor do I have anything in my notes) of him passing it back to his goalkeeper, so 76% isn't that bad. One thing he could work on is his pass selection. At times (and I don't want to make this seem like a bigger deal than it is) he chooses passes which put his team mates under mild pressure, like when a team mate is coming towards him with an opposition player right on his heels, it doesn't really accomplish anything passing the ball to him so choose another option. But again, it's not a glaring flaw by any means.

As for his position I like him best as a CB. When he plays in central defense he plays almost like a sweeper, letting Yahia deal with all the grunt work and just tidying up all the loose balls that slip through. While a very physical striker could target him and cause him problems I like his defensive qualities so much that that possibility wouldn't deter me from playing him at CB.

When he plays as a DM in a 4-1-4-1 system he plays almost as a third CB and his performances in that role have all been very good. The only time I didn't like what I saw was when he played as a DM in a 4-2-3-1. There he got forward more, and generally played a more advanced role and I don't think that was the best use of his skills (at least at this moment in time). He wasn't as good defensively and his passing/on the ball/attacking qualities weren't enough to make up for it. If he were to join United I think playing him at CB would definitely be the best use of his skills.

Which I guess brings me to the only thing people actually care about, should United try to sign him? While I generally try to stay away from such comments since there are so many factors involved I have no way of knowing, I will say that if Brown leaves this summer (and my feeling/guess is that he will) then he needs to be replaced and I think Varane could be an excellent replacement. In my opinion he is already good enough to start some matches for United, especially if paired with Rio or Vidic, and obviously still has a lot of potential for improvement. I also like that in style he is similar to Rio and I think he could give Evans some much needed competition for the "Rio's replacement" job (as a tangent, some people seem to still consider Smalling Rio's replacement but for me his style and skill set is much more Vidic than it is Rio). If Brown doesn't leave then we don't need a new CB and any potential signing would depend more on how Sir Alex sees Smalling and Evans (and to a lesser extent Gill/Wootton/Thorpe etc) fitting into the long term plans of United's central defense, but based on what I have seen I would say the special talent clause applies here and if the reported £3m price tag is accurate then I think it would still be worth trying to sign him even if it meant loaning him out somewhere for a year or maybe even two. So I guess even though I don't like saying we should try to sign this player I'm saying we should try to sign this player. Oh well.


He had another good game on the weekend against Monaco, playing as a central defender. He lost his opponent once when defending a free kick but other than that was solid in defense, winning almost every header (as you would expect when up against the 10cm shorter Park Chu-Young) and making several good clearances. He also scored a goal very late in the match with a header from a corner, though unfortunately for Lens it was too little too late and they have now been relegated. He actually had another good header which was just off target a while earlier. Both times he made a late run from the edge of the box and found himself unmarked at the far post, so we might be able to add 'threat at set pieces' to his list of strengths.

I don't know anything about Lens's financial situation but usually relegation tends to mean selling your best players so Varane could well be on the market this summer. He's definitely someone worth looking at.
 
Yes but the point is thats its perfectly reasonable and not cheeky or underhand for him to ask whether the manager sees him near his first team plans or whether he is "one for the future" the "future" perhap only coming after 2 seasons in the reserves.

Were I an 18 year old footballer who had just played a ligue 1 season as a first teamer for most of it, I would ask exactly the same question before joining any big club.

It's definitely an interesting aspect of the signing with regards to him possibly getting some first-team appearances next season.

Also, he has a great name; one which fits the club's current preference for first-team defenders having either a 'V' or the similar-sounding 'F' in their name, except for John O'Shea and Chris Smalling, whom the club have remained faithful to despite such deficiencies.
 
2 poor seasons after one good one
Nah. He was very good up until around January 2010. Then he was very poor for 12 months, before his performances in the second half of this season (the few he's got) have been improving. Not as good as his earlier ones, but he's no longer the blatant weakness in our team like he was during those 12 months. Hopefully he kicks on and gets back to (and improves on) those earlier levels.
 
It's definitely an interesting aspect of the signing with regards to him possibly getting some first-team appearances next season.

Also, he has a great name; one which fits the club's current preference for first-team defenders having either a 'V' or the similar-sounding 'F' in their name, except for John O'Shea and Chris Smalling, whom the club have remained faithful to despite such deficiencies.

Whatever happened to Ves Frown?
 
How reliable are the sources for this?
That'll be 1 of 3 done if there this is true