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Raphael Varane | Signed for United!
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My body isn't ready yet after the Sancho news!
Think I once read an article that Rio is his footballing idol and yeah we were very much in for him back in 2011
I mentioned it earlier in the thread that he said himself that he was close to joining but chose Madrid because we'd signed Phil Jones in his position!
I’m sure he knows the difference after so many people corrected him, he just doesn’t want to admit that he got them wrong initially. 70% win rate in a season is a good duel player compare to many CB out there and above 65% in CL is also good compare to others especially knowing that he was facing Lukaku, Thuram, and Zapata.
The one piece missing from those stats, are the average height of the players in the different leagues. While the players in the German league are the tallest in Europe, the La Liga players are the smallest. Not sure how much this affects the stats, but you would think it has some impact.
The club and Fergie fecked up on that one.
So why are don’t agree with the poster below when he said he is good in the air then?
We don't need Varane to be particularly aerially dominant anyway. After all he'll be partnered with Maguire, who is one of the more pro-active, aggressive aerial presences around.
We just need Maguire's partner to be resilient enough aerially that he can cope when being targeted by the opposition. And there's no reasonable way of twisting the stats where Varane isn't better in the air than Lindelof. Once he's not someone the opposition actively think they can bully, we're fine.
We just need Maguire's partner to be resilient enough aerially that he can cope when being targeted by the opposition. And there's no reasonable way of twisting the stats where Varane isn't better in the air than Lindelof. Once he's not someone the opposition actively think they can bully, we're fine.
Agree.
Varane for approx £40m is a safe investement.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...o-signing-real-madrids-raphael-varane-sources.
We really start talking if we also are able to include Pau Torres in a swap deal including Bailey (Bailey + £25-30m)
Ferdinand didn't ever win too many duels, right?
We wouldn't be buying him to be vidic or maguire, we're buying him as the guy who will use his speed, positioning and composure to be a foil and cover for Maguire, and to provide leadership and organizational qualities when Maguire doesn't play, so we're not entirely reliant on Maguire (see end of last season). He's also better than Maguire at playing out from the back, which should lessen pressure on our cms to be sharp and progressive with the ball.
Just out of the Sancho thread, hopefully this one doesn't take 2 years as well 
So what does he do according to you and the stats? You make it sound like he just runs around hoovering up loose balls.
True.
Varane himseld said he was a UTD fan and followed Rio/Vidic a lot. He waited for our offer but we were busy tieing up Phil Jones and Zidane call came in..Rest is the history.
Fecking jesus wept!
Phil is still here so presumably this isn't happening.
Jones would genuinely have made a world class CB had he not got injured so much. That's not easy to predict beforehand specially when most of the initial injuries were contact ones. Definitely in hindsight Varane would have been the right option. But Phil Jones being English probably tipped scales in his favour .
Maybe the optimist in me but, think Real will be very amenable to listening to offers because of their financial position and cannot risk losing him and it's not just in a year, in 6 months he could sign a pre-contract and every chance motivation levels could drop. He is also not a marketing megastar for them unlike Pogba.
Other thing is they could then use that money to invest in rebuild in a CB like Pau Torres, 4 years younger and Spanish to boot.
If we can get this deal done, then Ole has to deliver without a doubt. Anything can happen in a season but, a serious challenge in the CL and PL, anything else and it would be right to question if he is the right man to manage.
Other thing is they could then use that money to invest in rebuild in a CB like Pau Torres, 4 years younger and Spanish to boot.
If we can get this deal done, then Ole has to deliver without a doubt. Anything can happen in a season but, a serious challenge in the CL and PL, anything else and it would be right to question if he is the right man to manage.
Sky reports that negotiations are taking place.... so that’s 2023 he’s signing
I fully agree, we have Maguire to be dominant in the air.
However imo Maguire is better at playing out from the back, but it is hard to compare when they play for different teams.
He reads the game very well, good at positioning and protects space behind himself. He is very difficult to run past, although some claim he has lost a bit of his pace. He doesn't have many weaknesses.
There was no way to know Jones would become a crock. He had a very very very good season as a starting CB at 19, he looked like he was built like a tank - it was one of those buys that most rival fans hated us doing.
Could it be our version of Rio and Vidic with Varane and Maguire? Varane plays a lot like Rio and while Maguire isn't the hard man like Vida was, he's certainly not afraid to knock someone on their ass
So, they paid only 17M for Sancho in the first installment. Surely, they have more than 17 fecking million to spend this summer?
Negotiation tactic?
Negotiation tactic?
That isn't true. We tied up Jones after Varane had already gone to Madrid.
So yeah... we'd go into extensive transfer talks for someone we want, just to turn round and say "actually... we don't have enough, sorry!"
I call BS
Like anybody believes that. While we obviously won't be blowing £300m We can definitely stretch to £150m, especially with it spread over years.
This is obviously noise to Madrid and whoever else that we won't be paying over the top and happy to walk away.
Yep we would've signed him if it wasn't for Zidane. I posted the quote from Fergie's book above, he was on his way to Lille to wrap up the deal and Gill was already sorting the contract out. Madrid swooped in and Zidane convinced him to go there.
Not sure I believe that
The sancho deal is spread over 4 years so we’ve probably paid Dortmund £30m or less this summer.
I hope it motivates us to clear the deadwood anyway, we have players that need moving on.
The plan was to sign Jones and Varane. Along with de Gea, the plan was to have 3 incredible replacements for van der Sar, Ferdinand, and Vidic signed in one fell swoop.
Remember, Jones was an elite prospect 10 years ago. His career has fallen because of injuries and perhaps mentality issues, but there was a supreme talent in there at one point.
Correct. Fergie himself was going to France to sign Varane. United choosing Jones over him is one of the biggest myths out there.
That's rigth as fergie wrote about that in his book
If we believe Varane, he was going to sign for United but Mourinho and Zidane called him and explained that they saw him as the third option behind Pepe and Ramos. He insinuated that at United it would have been 4th, so behind Vidic, Rio and Evans, Jones and Smalling ended up being 4th and 5th.
Does Varane play on the right side of defence for Real?
Yep Ramos played the left side
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