Thing is, if we were a club like Dortmund who relied on a system of getting huge sums of money for their players they develop then I would be singing a different tune. Reality is, we can afford to sit on this and let Pogba walk if he wants to. He would have plenty of suitors if he did so, but it's not like a large chunk of our revenue is dependent on us recuperating his transfer fee. In fact, it's quite well established now that Man Utd very rarely get good returns for player transfers. Doesn't really affect us much though.
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Thing is, if we were a club like Dortmund who relied on a system of getting huge sums of money for their players they develop then I would be singing a different tune. Reality is, we can afford to sit on this and let Pogba walk if he wants to. He would have plenty of suitors if he did so, but it's not like a large chunk of our revenue is dependent on us recuperating his transfer fee. In fact, it's quite well established now that Man Utd very rarely get good returns for player transfers. Doesn't really affect us much though.
He would be perfect alongside Maguire but I am still hesitant about this believing this one. Are none of the other English clubs not interested in him? Or PSG for that matter?
it tells me he won loads the last 10 years...which i knew already.
doesnt answer my question what has been performance levels been at the last couple of years?
I hope he still got some miles (at a high level) in the tank...
The original poster didn’t say anything about wins many aerials and tackles. He posted below and praised that he’s quick, good in the air, and good tackler. But you made irrelevant response by saying you disagree because he is not a player that goes in duel.
He is rapid, he is super fast.
I'm very cautious about believing this one but if it were to be true ... that would already be a very good window.
Weak reasoning.
1. Do you think Varane and Pogba are of the same value with a year left on contract to do a swap deal?
Certainly the same value. £50-60m
2. Do you think we are so well stacked in midfield we can let arguably one of our best in that position go?
We're actively making contact with box to box midfielders - less money spent on Varane would ideally translate for more money on a midfielder. If we do sign a new midfielder, I reckon Pogba will be pushed out to the LW this season anyway.
3. How much in marketing are we losing from swapping Pogba as opposed to gaining from signing Varane?
So...let him leave for free next year or put a gun to his head and make him sign a contract? Which one is better marketing, because nobody is seriously considering him this summer.
Is he that fast? He never struck me as being rapid when I watch him.
Well then. If he is then it's a fecking massive win for 60 million
I must say, more so than our other reported deals/targets - this is one that excites me. Varane is quality and I think can certainly improve our back 4.
He's lost some pace from when he was younger, but he's still fecking speedy tbf.
He’s always been rapid. May be not as rapid as he used to be since he’s 28 now not 25 or younger but still very quick. since you don’t watch him enough, let’s just give you some memory that he showed great recovery pace when he was young against us and Welbeck in UCL 2013.
Will be interesting to see how they handle outgoings and if we still get mugged off with those.
If they manage to shift Jones for anything more than a Mars bar, get them Knighted!!
I'm setting up camp in this thread now.
Looking promising this happens, personally think this will be an excellent signing for us. It covers up one of our greatest weaknesses which is defending set pieces. Along with cutting out the weakness of high balls.
Still think we need a proper DM to make us defensively sound, but this is a huge step in the right direction.
Still think we need a proper DM to make us defensively sound, but this is a huge step in the right direction.
Normally I would say these swap deals are rubbish, but after hearing Perez's ramblings during the ESL debacle, this wouldn't surprise me.
But then wouldn't it be smarter to try see if Madrid would go for the swap and instead put the potential 51m for Varane towards buying a cm/dm
I'll also repost some stats I made a while back given A-Man seems to be complaining about Varane's ability. "Doesn't win many Aerial Duels" my arse.
Interesting character to want to leave the sunny climes of Madrid to go, well, anywhere else until you have to. Makes me think he's very serious about wanting a new challenge. The PL certainly will would be that!
Most excited I have been about a potential signing in years. If we did this deal along with Sancho and signed a halfway decent holding midfielder who can pass then we will have one of the best teams on the planet on paper.
Exactly, he doesn't go in to duels, he doesn't win many aerials nor tackles. It is not his style. Now I'm done with you so you do not need to reply.
Yeah definitely still need a DM but having him behind McFred is a significant upgrade on Lindelof
Who would be your ideal holding midfield signing who could offer that passing ability then
Exactly what? How are you coming into conclusion that being good tackler and good in the air is the same thing as win many duels and win many tackles?
Honestly have no idea I am afraid! I constantly think Carrick would be perfect for us right now but I am not in the know enough to know who out there could do a similar job.
Not sure what your goal was with that post?
I am not complaining. I am stating the obvious which you also confirmed in your post: Varane does not win many aerial duels. Same as Lindelof, he doesn't win many either. Varane won 2.4 aerials per game this season, and 2.5 last season. Lindelof 2.2 and 2.8. Both are in the middle of the pack when it comes to aerials. This is the reality and has nothing to do with complaining.
Still ultimately suspect he's using us for a bigger contract somewhere else, but this would be huge.
That's because many of the 50:50 balls he wins with ease and prevents the situation from even becoming a duel. But when he does have to contest for a ball, he along with VVD is probably the safest CB you wish you have on your team.
Winning is different to competiting. Winning an aerial duel = Varane on 70%. He wins the majority of Aerial Duels he comes up against as backed up by the last 4 seasons worth of data, not just one and that's the whole point. You're complaining that he doesn't compete enough, not that he doesn't win them enough. 70% win rate is right up there for CB's across Europe.
I think you should factor the difference in nature of the PL and the spanish league for this stat.
He is a top class CB and would strengthen us, but like you I feel that some people have unrealistic expectations. When I read this thread I also realise that many don't understand what type of defender he is stylistically.
What would you say about his abilities on the ball?
Maybe those clubs have been told they aren't his first option if he does leave Madrid.
Yes I know that these Skybet odds mean nothing but PSG out to 14/1 after being 3/1 yesterday so someone has had a big wager
All right I trust you guys. If he's as fast as Bailly, I am definitely licking my lips.
AWB---Varane---Maguire---Shaw
Solid
Compared to Maguire who basically attack every aerial from left to right, this is not how Varane plays.
Yes aerial stats are difficult to compare. More aerials in the PL, but also more difficult to win. Also, it is a mix of offensive and defensive stats.
Yes if you look at the % he is good, agree and have never stated anything else.
Ramos signed.
On the low side of elite, very good but not one of the best.
we get Varane for 50m euros and we've done a great bit of business as we will get him as he's entered the prime of his career and he'll be brilliant alongside Maguire and will help AWB
this is a very smart investment for sure plus it allows Tuanzebe to go on loan and get experience so he can come back as a better player
this is a very smart investment for sure plus it allows Tuanzebe to go on loan and get experience so he can come back as a better player
I don't think that matters. They could have been interested and been told "thanks but no thanks" by the agent, therefore the chatter never enters the press.
Isn't Varane a United fan? I know we tried to sign him back when too and have probably built up relationships with his people over the years.
Still would say Varane stays at Madrid with a gun to my head, but he's won everything at Madrid and might just fancy playing for United. Might be like Schweinsteiger where he said he wouldn't have left Bayern for another European club unless it was Man United. Our pull is still true. So maybe if he can't join United, he'll simply stay put and isn't interested in club B, C or D.
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