Dude, you keep saying to everyone that our understanding of game is wrong. I feel like you are the one who claims to an expert and posting BS.
You keep going away from the actual point. The discussion is whether Ronaldo can fit in a pressing side. My answer is good as yours. No idea . We will have to wait and see.
such a pointless thread. Nobody has a clue - not even Rangnick and RonaldoExplain to me how Pep plays the game, oh so wise genius. Were Messi and Lewandowski the greatest pressers in existence? Absolutely not. You also try to argue that he sold Zlatan because he didn't fit his system, but it's an own goal argument because he signed Zlatan in the first place - a player who is the total opposite of a striker that Pep wants. Let's not forget that the reason why Zlatan was sold was more in the political sphere rather than the game one. Zlatan was bad for the locker room, he clashed with Messi and Pep on numerous occassions and most of all - had replaced a better player in Messi as a striker. Ronaldo, on the other hand, would be comfortably City's best striker and they'd be winning the league right now with him. The two situations aren't even remotely comparable.
Have you ever watched them play? They were absolutely not "hard workers". Maybe "smart workers" would be an accurate description, but to me a hard working striker would be something like Tevez or Rooney, which Messi and Lewandowski never were, not even in their primes. So quit talking bullshit because the way this is going - next thing you're going to say is that Robben was a hard worker.
Yeah, who would want that world-beating, professional, experienced, goal-scoring machine in their starting eleven. Pep very obviously did want him and went for him, so maybe you think he has a poor understanding of the game also? You’re using Peps time with Messi as an example out of context completely and disingenuously. It has nothing to do with this arguement. Messi with Pep was the best player in the world in his prime in the best team in the world often having 70% plus possession. Messi didn’t need to press in that Barca team as Barca’s main defensive tactic at that time was simply keeping the ball.
No-one doubts Ronaldo's professionalism and willingness to play the way his manager wants, what's in question is if he can physically do it.
Absolutely agree. There is no point celebrating bringing in Rangnick to boost our team capabilities but on the other hand wanting to make sure, that Ronaldo doesn't get touched because he is soooo good. He undeniably is but he also was for Juve and they still were happy to let him. Sure, there were other reasons as well having Ronaldo in your team, as with any other player has its pros and cons. I am sure, him and Rangnick will figure something out. Pressing isn't pressing, we don't have to do it from the front, we could also do it in a mid-block setting. But in no way should we give too much meaning to the needs and wishes of a player, who probably would play for ManCity now, hadn't we swooped in.
Barca were the best team in the world because Pep made them the best team in the world. They were decent under Rijkaard and that's it. He integrated Messi in a role that he has never played in and it was a masterstroke. He perfectly knew how to utilize Messi. If Pep had Ronaldo in the team, he'd have done the same thing. When you have an amazing player, it's no rocket science to integrate them. No top manager is a rigid coach.
Where does this nonsense comes from? Ronaldo has the utmost desire to win, he doesn't play for himself. He played very different roles in United, Madrid and Juventus and in all three teams he adapted to where the coach wanted to play him in. He played under a plethora of different managers in both Madrid and Juventus and each manager tinkered with his style of play and Ronaldo adapted to them all. The notion that Ronaldo will be unable to adapt to Pep comes from nothing.
Oh yes man, the person that has won 5 CL's with two clubs, numerous titles and cups is somehow unable to achieve incredible team performances because he is too selfish and unadaptable or something. Ronaldo has only complained about his teammates when they are not doing enough, case in point when we talk about pressing:
Again, nonsense. How does Bernardo Silva fit Pep's system? Or Salah Klopp's? They make it work because they're top-top managers. How did the Bayern squad work for Pep when they played the totally opposite system of Pep's under Heynckes? Your whole argument is moot at this point. Liverpool also didn't pray remotely similar to Jurgen's system, yet here they are. And yes he did have to remove some dross and replace them, but overall the change was very gradual and the results were pretty fast. There's no top manager in the world that has a rigid belief in a system.
That's speculation that has no grounds whatsoever. Where does this idea comes from that Ronaldo is unwilling to adapt to anything and every coach has to catter to him despite all the evidence to the contrary? Hasn't he wasted months under Ole, under his shit system and positioning without even saying so much as a peep? Or do you think Ronaldo is happy to have played "have fun and enjoy yourself, lads" Oleball? If anything, rumors circulating from his camp suggest he was anything but happy about the drop of standards and training.
What has this got to do with my point? it’s simple, you compared Ronaldo integrating to Peps City (at 37 , waning in powers and limited to basically one main role for the last 7or 8 years) with how Pep got the best out of prime Messi in a prime Barca team...different players, different positions, different stage of their careers, different era of dominance, different league...there is no correlation that allows you to make that comparison except the rudimentary understanding that neither have pressed during their careers. As I said, you are being disingenuous and its evidence that you don’t read what people post you just rant about things while trying to seem knowledgeable. Pep made Barca great? Who said he didn’t? Who is even talking about that? Who said Ronaldo couldn’t play in a pep team? Did you even read my post?
Again,I said the exact opposite you irritating person. I said there is no doubt that Ronaldo could play in a Pep setup but just like Lewa and Bernardo and every player...it will be Peps style. “Tinkered with his style of play” you have no idea who has or who has not tinkered with his style of play...since moving to that second CF role off the left, he has played there more often than not...Intentionally or otherwise, that’s where he drifts...did it at Juve and the end under Zidane while Benzema mopped up. He has very much only adapted from being a winger to a CF/WF. No evidence of him changing his game other than that. However there is evidence of teams moving from3 up front to a front 2 to accommodate him.
and as for your video- dont make me show you hours of video of the guy litterally standing there doing nothing while his whole team swarm after the ball- you tube is great isn’t it. People like you can find any snippet they want to back up a nonsense. Why yes Sviken-Ronaldo IS A hard working presser in each team he played for...are you really trying to make that point?
It takes a really talented and gifted poster to write a paragraph disagreeing with a point only to actually agree with the point being made in the first instance. You are making my point for me...players come in to Peps teams and whatever their background they buy into the coaches vision and play a role for the team. My point was that Ronaldo would have to do that...that Pep wouldn’t be altering city’s approach to suit Ronaldo. Evidence of why that’s the case - Peps Bayern moved the most sought after striker in Europe out wide and as such he spent a whole season sharing goal scoring duties with the entire frontline. Lewandowski bought into Peps system. Conversely- Zidane sacrificed Benzema season after season to get the best out of Ronaldo(to devastating effect All the same)only for Benzema and others to start scoring again once Ronny left...exact same at Juventus...Juve’s goal scoring potency stayed the same except Ronaldo became the main goal scorer- both evidence that the coaches changed their approach to maximise Ronaldo’s contribution and he duly delivered. Hell even former team mates of his have spoken of this trade off for having Ronaldo in your team and the fact that it’s not all positive...are you saying you know more about how Ronaldo has been integrated into teams better than his own team mates Sviken? Really? for him to play in a Pep team he would need to adapt and while he is clearly of the ability to do so...I don’t see evidence of that in the last7 or 8 years.
“That’s speculation” ...will you give it a rest? I said it’s my opinion...I said “I think”. There is no evidence of Ronaldo adapting to anything or evidence of him not adapting...at least none that you can say is definitive. We are giving our opinions based on what we have seen...I have seen teams make Ronaldo the focal point where as I have seen other amazing players (Lewandowski, De Bruyne, Salah, Mane, Aguero etc) all be integrated into an existing style and adapting to that style. Everywhere Ronaldo has gone the team has adapted to him...so integrating him into a high press team, while not impossible, would be something new to him at this point in his career. It’s a simple point and I have wasted too much of my Sunday morning on you. Have a good one.
That never happened. No idea what you're talking about.
His first season at Bayern Pep often used muller and Goetze as false 9’s. While Manzudkic previously played as an out and out striker, he was there for his work rate and he didn’t score many at all as I remember. When Lewa came in he was not used as a lone striker in the way that many expected. I think that was reflected in the spread of gaols across the frontline that season...but I’m not arsed checking. You’re a Bayern fan...I’m not gonna contradict you but I watched a serious amount of Bayern when pep first got there and that was my recollection.
The frontline was very fluid, yes, and Lewandowski moved around a lot (he still does by the way). But it's a massive exaggeration, or rather falsehood, to claim that Lewandoski spent a whole season "playing wide", he didn't. Especially since playing wide for Pep actually means hugging the touchline more often than not, like we've seen with Coman or Sané in later years.
Accepted. I was trying to illustrate that he had to adapt and didn’t just come in to the team and have a team structured around him to get the best out of him in the same way that Juve and United have had to try and do with Ronaldo. I never meant he was a winger.
This point really needs to be highlighted. It's like people expect us to be mindless maniacs under Rangnick, or playing like it's the last minutes of a final for a full game.
Agreed. But maybe you could also say that Pep adapted after stifling Lewandowski that first season a bit too much? Did he revert to using more wing-play tactics because he wanted to or because he resigned to it, or because of transfers and injuries? It's hard to say what's the chicken and what's the egg in these transformations.
Hasenhüttl, or Roger Schmidt, are much closer in style to Rangnick than Flick, at least if we take the very limited sample size of their recently managed teams (Flick hasn't exactly an extensive resumee in terms of club management, and neither has Rangnick had in the last decade).
Then what the feck are we arguing here for? Did you even follow the original conversation or decided to tune it just for the hell of it?
This is not what we were arguing about... irritating person. The original topic of discussion was more or less whether Ronaldo is capable of adapting to a system. Then you tuned in after RedDribble and decided to spill even more nonsense than him. What does "Pep's style" even mean? Pep has a system, he doesn't "change" how specific players play, he changes how a team plays. Ronaldo wouldn't play much differently with Pep than when he played with Real, Pep would just know how to utilize him to the best of his abilities. Ronaldo has also never been much of a CF, his role predominantly at both Juve and Real Madrid were that of an inside forward having more or less a free role to roam and drift in the middle for goalscoring positions. And where do you get this nonsense about team moving from a front three to a 2? Allegri, Sarri and Pirlo all had different formations that they've use.
At this point I'm not even sure you know what you've been writing on your previous posts. Don't you know what you were arguing? You said Ronaldo was "above pressing' and "tracking back" and I proved to you in that video he was absolutely not. BUT NOW, there's a new chapter, now the debate is whether Ronaldo is a HARD working presser or something. Jesus...
No... again, that wasn't your point. Read your own posts again and what the original argument was about. You weren't arguing whether Ronaldo can adapt to a Pep's team, you were arguing CAN Pep adapt to Ronaldo and concluded with a resounding "no", which is absolute nonsense. Again, you have no recollection of what you said less than a day ago, so try and read it. I don't know what your point is at this point, but of course Ronaldo would have to adapt to Pep. Small thing to note is that usually works both ways, but I'm not gonna open that can of worms with you because you're going to take me into another rabbit hole and I don't want that. Your whole point thus far is moot.
No, there is plenty of evidence, you just have no idea what you're talking about. Ronaldo adapted to Jose's approach, Ronaldo has adapted to Ferguson's approach, he has adapted to Zidane and Ancelotti's. Same way they have adapted to him. That's usually how it works between managers and players.
