Well no one is saying that he is a top manager but anyone with any sense would accept that he has a better pedigree in structuring a club than the John Murtough.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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Well no one is saying that he is a top manager but anyone with any sense would accept that he has a better pedigree in structuring a club than the John Murtough.
He is a WUM.
Yeah he's a club builder not coach yet our total clowns couldn't see the benefit, Erik shouldn't have just cast him aside either.
Aww, that's not very nice! So much for calling names, eh.
Well, he's currently managing the Austrian NT so they're complete fools then? Yeah, he's that good at structuring clubs, his phone's ringing off the hook. Newcastle can have him. Let him work his magic up there if he's so good.
No, that's probably about the level they can get. Just the idea that Austria would be able to sign an absolute top manager is ridiculous.
These ones. Ralf Rangnick: Manchester United need ‘open-heart surgery’ to recover | Manchester United | The Guardian
And my point is this: If you let a manager say this, then it impacts on you. Murtough and the club may choose to ignore it, but fans, the media and not least players in the squad or on the shortlist may choose to believe it. In this case, I think it's safe to assume that most did. The point is not Ralf Rangnick, the point is that this is a credible analysis of reality that, once it's out there from someone as inherently authoritative as the manager of that team, it's about how you deal with that reality, and with the perception that this is how it is. Neither the perception or the reality goes away just through ignoring Ralf Rangnick. And you then find yourself in a situation where you're running a course that almost nobody really believes in, and come across as an organisation that isn't dealing with reality. I take it I don't have to present an argument to support the contention that the club obviously has not been proceeding on the basis of a view of reality similar to the one Rangnick presented.
If they disagreed with this and had no plans to listen to him, then they should have prevented him from presenting such assessments to the public. And if Murtough ended up not on speaking terms with Rangnick, then he obviously badly botched his first big decision.
Rangnick is definitely having the last laugh here. He was a good man, not the best coach, but he could have helped us get back to the top as a sporting director.
The second he indicated the club had serious issues, he was hounded out.
The second he indicated the club had serious issues, he was hounded out.
Rangnick would've been great as DoF for this club. He doesn't have a ego. He knows that he doesn't know everything. Therefore he hires the best people for the jobs he doesn't excel at. That's his best attribute. He puts the right people at the correct place. If he'd get complete authority and if the Glazers wouldn't pull any funds out of the club for five years. We would be challenging for top honors again.
You hire the best possible person for the job. Now we have the best possible manager. Everyone above him isn't.
You hire the best possible person for the job. Now we have the best possible manager. Everyone above him isn't.
Anybody who uses the terms "Rangnite" or "Wreck-it" should be ignored. They are not arguing in good faith.
Sorry, but he surely has an ego
That's exactly why he likes to have full control etc. But you are at least right that he doesn't have an issue delegating tasks, but is able to find the right people to do all the necessary jobs.
So why the feck wasn't he made sporting director?who is currently sporting director? Darren Fletcher?
What is his credentials
What is his credentials
Because the owners and everyone else didn’t want to pursue the fundamental changes this club needs. We can moan about how crap our players and manager and coaches and scouts and whoever else are, it’s all irrelevant until we find people in positions of authority who understand and want to deliver that fundamental change.
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For their own sakes you'd hope the lot that use terms like 'Wreck it Ralph' are still preteens feebly navigating their way through the world. Scary thought that they could be adults with all the permissions that come with that.
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It's Wreck-It Ralf!
Ralph was absolutely correct and his departure will set us back 3/5 years.
Don't know if it's on the board or eth but it was an awful decision.
Yeah like my username has anything to do with my posting style. I could go down the dark route and mention if you were English you're own username doesn't sound too healthy but I won't.Yeah, like we can take someone with the username Forevergiggs seriously too.
And there are/were nicknames for Ole, Moyes, Mourinho, Pep, Klopp, Lampard, Gerrard. And Pogba, Lukaku, Lingard etc. got their fair share of it too?
So why are you and the Rangnites only taking offence to what Wreck-It is called? Answer me that.
On your point on nicknames. At the start they are quite amusing. Lego Pep was probably the best one I've heard on here but that quickly became boring as it was being used too much. You take things to a different level of monotony which makes taking you serious very difficult to do which is why you've been called out as a wum so many times.
And now imagine being a money hungry rat like our owners that has no intention to grab into its own pocket and really doesn't give a feck about success. No wonder they got rid and decided to go for another yes men like Murthough
Sack Murtough
Re hire Ralf
Re hire Ralf
You could probably say that about a lot of usernames on here but I'd certainly think twice about yours in particular going forward. It's probably not going to age well. Just a thought.
And we've always had nicknames on here and nobody's made a big deal of it before so why all of a sudden it's an issue with Rangnick is a mystery. Well it ain't really because it's only the Rangnites taking umbrage with it. Just chill out and take it in the spirit in which it is intended like all of the other nicknames that have come before it.
Like he said its not rocket science. Its quite simple really. How you want to play? What system and formation? And then you go from there.
Go find the top people that have experience and epertise in that to help organize the whole club structure to get to how we want to play. Just look at Ajax, Dortmund, City, Liverpool, even some of PL club like Brighton, Brentford...etc. They all have certain ways of playing and then they go and find players that fit the mold.
I think he got shafted out because he'll get in the way of the position of thr top people in the club. They dont want him taking their position and challenging their authority. Somehow they successfully using the medias to change the narrative and mind of fans to think he is brought in to just be manager and nothing else but in truth we know that he was brought in with the view to analize at the time the players and club and help fixing foundation. But like he said, club needs to change from top to bottom and gear toward one headline to achieve the goal but then how we be able to do when we have the top people keep chaning and keep learning on their job as he goes. It wont get us anywhere.
There is no chance whatsoever that United, or any club, was going to spend 125 million euros in the winter transfer window. Two of those players moved to clubs in much better situation than United and the other one stayed in the country he's been in for many years. It's not at all clear that United could have signed these players even if it wanted.
Also, these players haven't actually done anything in the top stage yet, they were signed just a few months ago.
That also isn't what he recommened. People the clip 1:29 min watch it, listen to his statements. He said that he was told that there was no suitable player available. And he commented it by saying that he thought there were. At no point did he say we should go for all of them.
Well thats hyperbole as well. There is no chance how we would know for sure if he would work. Fact of the matter is, he doesn't have workexperience at a topclub. Doesn't mean he is bad but acting as if there would be no possible outcome other than success is just as pointless as acting as if he'd be some noname with nothing to his name. Again - he was intended to advice the club. What people would have done with his input is a totally different question. I would have kept him as well. Maybe we will get to know some day, what really happened.
Right. In the clip he mentions three different players that three other clubs signed. Those clubs play very different football. So it'd be pretty weird if those three players fit United.
For the record, I think the club would have done good to get RR as a DoF and give him the power to reshape our footballing structure.
However, the people moaning over him being let go seem to be forgetting one important thing: he wouldn't have been able to change anything if he was kept on as a consultant. Do any of you honestly think anyone within the current setup would act on his advice? That the owners/board would sanction the changes he'd want to make? The clearly aren't willing to fully back EtH, so no way would they act on the advice of some powerless consultant.
The issue isn't that they scrapped the consultancy, it was always going to be completely useless anyway. The issue is that they brought in a man like Rangnick and neglected to utilise him for the things he's actually good at.
However, the people moaning over him being let go seem to be forgetting one important thing: he wouldn't have been able to change anything if he was kept on as a consultant. Do any of you honestly think anyone within the current setup would act on his advice? That the owners/board would sanction the changes he'd want to make? The clearly aren't willing to fully back EtH, so no way would they act on the advice of some powerless consultant.
The issue isn't that they scrapped the consultancy, it was always going to be completely useless anyway. The issue is that they brought in a man like Rangnick and neglected to utilise him for the things he's actually good at.
Their excuse for not spending in January was that they didn’t want to buy players the next manager wouldn’t want. Now the next manager is here and they’re helping him “rebuild” with three players so far
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He was brought into asses the situation on how to build a strong foundation, not to be a manger because he isn’t a manager! Another feck up from this joke of a club!
Can you provide a single reference for this?
Mad isn't itTheir excuse for not spending in January was that they didn’t want to buy players the next manager wouldn’t want. Now the next manager is here and they’re helping him “rebuild” with three players so far
It's absolutely typical of Manchester United now. They bring in someone who is not a top manager but is very good at structuring a club and then don't use him for what he is good at but use him for what he is not good at.
I don't agree with people who say that Glazers didn't want him because they didn't want to spend money.
I think RR would get players who are not expensive and build a team.
He wasn't kept simply because Murtough had to go if he was kept.
I don't agree with people who say that Glazers didn't want him because they didn't want to spend money.
I think RR would get players who are not expensive and build a team.
He wasn't kept simply because Murtough had to go if he was kept.
The Glazers are not clouds though. They can be pressured and influences, just like happened after the ESL debacle. In fact the board made promises then to the fans. Most of which I'm sure haven't been kept.
It's time to protest and talk about the problems with our owners. Clouds are not causing our clubs issues!
Parasitic owners with zero football knowledge or care for the football club.The fact he was given a 6 month contract as manager and a subsequent 2 year contract to be a consultant afterwards is a bit of a giveaway!
The clip posted on this page kinda highlights why I find a lot of the current talk about Rangnick here a bit over the top. The beginning of that clip, he is using Liverpool as a comparison, and talking about how the most important is figuring out how you want to play and starting from that basis. Hire a manager, get the right players in, etc.
In Liverpool's first full season under Klopp, they brought in Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum, Karius, and Klavan. That's five transfers. Three were succesful, two were not. Young-ish, hungry players that fit the manager's ideas. In comparison, Manchester United have hired Ten Hag. They have looked at signing players that fit Ten Hag's style of play. Three signings have been made: Eriksen, Malacia, Martinez. They have been chasing De Jong and were probably hoping to have him. That's four players. Three of them are young-ish; Eriksen is the only outlier, being a weird market opportunity due to his health scare. Liverpool lost a lot of players that summer. So have United.
What United are doing isn't dramatically different than what Liverpool did, which is what Rangnick said they should do. Liverpool, I should note, began that season with a 3-4 win at Arsenal and then a 2-0 defeat to Burnley. This is with a manager who'd already been there almost a year, mind you. Ten Hag just started.
United have spent too much time on the pursuit of De Jong, which signals various problems at the club, but this is a problem of execution, not strategy. Could Rangnick have helped with execution? Maybe. Probably not as a consultant, but as far as his skill set goes, sure.
I don't think it's justifiable to act like the club are doing the exact opposite of what Rangnick wanted.
In Liverpool's first full season under Klopp, they brought in Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum, Karius, and Klavan. That's five transfers. Three were succesful, two were not. Young-ish, hungry players that fit the manager's ideas. In comparison, Manchester United have hired Ten Hag. They have looked at signing players that fit Ten Hag's style of play. Three signings have been made: Eriksen, Malacia, Martinez. They have been chasing De Jong and were probably hoping to have him. That's four players. Three of them are young-ish; Eriksen is the only outlier, being a weird market opportunity due to his health scare. Liverpool lost a lot of players that summer. So have United.
What United are doing isn't dramatically different than what Liverpool did, which is what Rangnick said they should do. Liverpool, I should note, began that season with a 3-4 win at Arsenal and then a 2-0 defeat to Burnley. This is with a manager who'd already been there almost a year, mind you. Ten Hag just started.
United have spent too much time on the pursuit of De Jong, which signals various problems at the club, but this is a problem of execution, not strategy. Could Rangnick have helped with execution? Maybe. Probably not as a consultant, but as far as his skill set goes, sure.
I don't think it's justifiable to act like the club are doing the exact opposite of what Rangnick wanted.
This has been discussed a million times before. But to summarize,
- It was reported at the time that Rangnick was the one who pushed for a 2-year consultancy. The club initially did not want to agree to this.
- The same was reported when Rangnick was sought to be interim manager for Chelsea. He wanted consultancy, Chelsea did not want to give it to him, he did not manage Chelsea.
- Rangnick said United hired him because they were leaking goals and needed someone to stabilize them.
- It was reported, and confirmed by Rangnick, that the terms of his "consultancy" were nebulous and undefined. Nobody actually knew what it was supposed to be.
Liverpool have a DOF and a recruitment department. We have a manager who for some inexplicable reason, we are expecting to also act as a DOF.
That's the key difference.
Liverpool had a director of football, a recruitment department, and a manager, who had input into how to assemble the squad. They had this since 2011 and the results were largely poor until they hired Klopp and until Edwards moved up.
The issue was not simply "structure", it was whether the people involved could do a great job or not.
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