Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped

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The consultant role always felt confused and a bit pointless to me. ETH seems the type of guy who wants control over all aspects so this was never going to work.

I feel a bit for Ralf though and wish him all the best with Austria. It's been so brilliantly refreshing to see a manager actually be honest. The players he's had to manage have been like spoilt children and I'm pleased he's got himself another gig where I'm sure his players will actually be professional.
 
So other than ETH, who are the people responsible for identifying players and putting together lists of targets. We know that at United, just like with other clubs, it’s not just the manager. There’s a whole scouting department. Many have left, so who are the people responsible for 1) identifying the next Aguero playing in whatever South American League 2) Vetoing or approving the manager’s choice?
 
So basically, we could've given it to Carrick for the rest of the year and probably made the CL.
 
Deserved to be sacked for having the temerity to have standards.

Surely we could find some sort of role for Ole to come back and tell us all what a great set of lads we have. We need to get :) back on faces.
 
He has been sacked.

Player power wins again. Now everyone will have a clean state for the umpteenth time under ETH.

Hope ETH had nothing to do with this. If he did then he is a bigger idiot than I initially thought he was.
 
Would love to hear Ralf’s next interview about the club from when he came to when he left and the direction the club is going.
 
There was no way in hell that we were going for a revolution as suggested by Ralf. Although that's what we need. Hence this was inevitable. The question now is why did we waste the season hiring him when Conte was available and could have comfortably got us 4th.
 
RedBanker said:
There was no way in hell that we were going for a revolution as suggested by Ralf. Although that's what we need. Hence this was inevitable. The question now is why did we waste the season hiring him when Conte was available and could have comfortably got us 4th.
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We would never have got ETH. Then fans would've been pissed if he went to City and the CAF would have erupted at how incompetent we are.
 
Lyng said:
Well he did great work in Hoffenheim as well.
Thing is if you should never judge his club building skills on his coaching skills.
That would be like judging a striker on his goalkeeping skills. Vastly different jobs.

And I worry abit for Ten Hag now. He had Van Der Sar and Overmars in Ajax. Here he has Murtough and Fletcher which so far have shown nothing to suggest they have any clue.
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Hoffenheim is not United. These are smaller clubs in Germany.

At United, everything you do is scrutinized. This is a man that stopped managing Schalke when he was failing in 2011 because of fatigue. I don't think he actually had the capacity to do the job despite how smart he sounded when talking about it. I don't think he was prepared for the task and the comments and complaints he keeps providing the press speak to that.

You don't think Ancelotti has had his problems with the Madrid dressing room this season or in the past. Do you think Zidane didn't have to deal with issues within his dressing room. Managers like Luis Enrique and Valverde constantly had to deal with scrutiny both from the press and the dressing room at any sign of a bad performance. You think Bayern's established and cocky locker room with characters like Neuer, Muller, Lewandowski and young ones like Sane aren't difficult to deal with. Even in England, because we don't hear leaks doesn't mean there aren't issues within City and Liverpool's dressing rooms either. That's the nature of being at a big club. Managing those issues is part of the job. Coming out to the press and complaining at every term simply showed how ill suited he was for it. At least with Mourinho, you could always argue that there was an idea behind it. He finished 6th in his first season here ( Mourinho) yet always ensured that he defended the players and didn't give much negativity about the club to the press despite what he might have been thinking. It's only when he had the issues with Pogba in his third season that things started falling apart.

What exactly should Murtough have shown. He's not a manager. He got Varane, Ronaldo and Sancho into the team this summer. What did VDS and Overmars show before being in their roles? Also understand, Ajax are also smaller than United. Yes they are Holland's biggest team, but having national coverage is so much different that running the biggest, most supported team in world football. If you want to berate our leadership team next to Bayern, Madrid or Barca's that's fair. However, the task at a club like this is different to almost any other club
 
This club is finished, I have no hope for next or any other season in the foreseeable future.
We are back to square one again with inept management and players who will hound out ETH as well in 2 years time.
We had a brilliant chance to modernize this football club.
 
Raoul said:
So basically, we could've given it to Carrick for the rest of the year and probably made the CL.
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Yes, the only risk would have been us giving him the job fulltime.

Maybe they just couldn't trust themselves not to if it went too well.
 
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This renders his appointment utterly pointless after all. Wasn't Valverde apparently keen? Should have just gone for him.
 
RedBanker said:
There was no way in hell that we were going for a revolution as suggested by Ralf. Although that's what we need. Hence this was inevitable. The question now is why did we waste the season hiring him when Conte was available and could have comfortably got us 4th.
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Conte was already hired by Spurs when we sacked Ole.
 
George Owen said:
Fair enough. I was kinda sure that Ralf was supposed to take over that job.

A shame. We need a proper DoF. Another Yes Man with no top flight experience won't cut it.
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What makes you think that Murtough is a yes man and not a proper DoF?
 
I don't think it was a total waste of time.

Ralf will still probably have an accurate dossier of the players and it'll be pretty raw, and I would be surprised if he hasn't given it to Ten Hag.

If Ten Hag is as hands on and as much of a control freak as we've been lead to believe, I think he may have been the one to green light the decision to scrap Ralf's job.

A consultant would have been useful when we had Ole, but I doubt Ten Hag requires it.
 
Jesus so Ragnick was actually even worse than we all imagined. Can’t even fall back on his expertise at this point to make it seem worthwhile. One of the worst stints in football for 6 months.
 
The myth of Ralfs all knowing club building greatness is going to reach Ravel Morrison levels of "what-if" now.
 
The club's position probably changes when he took the Austria job, you don't really want to be paying paid probably quite a high salary if they aren't totally focused on the job you are paying them to do.

Also he's been far too open with excuses and criticism. I don't necessarily disagree with some of what he's said but you can't come out and essentially criticise your employers and colleagues publicly every week.

Not many would expect to stay in a job with that approach.
 
Ralph1386 said:
The board considered hiring Conte when he was still available after the 5-0 loss to Liverpool at OT, and they chose not to go for him.
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Yes its widely known he wanted the United job and only opted for Spurs when we’d make it clear we didn’t want him
 
JPRouve said:
What makes you think that Murtough is a yes man and not a proper DoF?
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Primarily, his lack of experience. Also, he has been in the club long enough, so I'm guessing he was finger appointed by the upper echelons, as someone who won't be an issue for them in terms of imposing his own ideas.
 
Nice to the club acting quickly. Ten Hag is a man of science and facts, last night result shows the era of the german nerd is over. No more bollocks about XG points and excel sheets, Don Carlo has brought back vibes to the world football and United are following accordingly. Looking forward to Evra and his dj decks coming in to join Ten Hag team within the next fews weeks.

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It might still have been an utter disaster under Carrick, who I believe opted to walk away, no doubt well aware of the piss-poor dressing room mentality and happy to call it quits with a nice curtain call.

The players shoulder most of the burden for this.
 
Tom Cato said:
The myth of Ralfs all knowing club building greatness is going to reach Ravel Morrison levels of "what-if" now.
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Tbh he did at his previous clubs Leipzig and Hoffenheim, but his previous club fans shat on him when he left saying he made mess of their club.

Apart from all that, I don't understand why few think Rangnick was some DoF at ManUtd, he was consultant. He wasn't asked to rebuild the club, he is there to help Murtough on need basis, nothing more. Somehow people moaning as if we sacked DoF.
 
I see this a little differently. I think Ralf served his purpose, we have a new manager and his own team to take us from here. Am sure RR has given his insights and suggestions on the squad and the setup already and there was little more for him to offer in a part-time role while otherwise occupied with a national team. Thanks RR, we've a new manager that I am sure you helped us select, a clear-out seems to have begun and am happy enough with the path we seem to be on.
 
DJ_21 said:
Another way of saying it is… ten Hag doesn’t need you. He’s here to turn things around on his own and everything goes through him.
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I thought that was what we absolutely didn’t want — to change everything to suit each new manager. That lasted till — we got a new manager. Way to stick with a plan!
 
LDUred said:
It might still have been an utter disaster under Carrick, who I believe opted to walk away, probably aware of the piss poor dressing room mentality and happy to call it quits with a nice curtain call.

The players shoulder most of the burden for this.
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They should, but they won't. They are assets of the club, and our club mission, is to make money for the owners.

Sticking it to the players and showing them the door is not acceptable for our owners. They want to make money of them. That's why we have so much trouble getting rid of the cancer.
 
Sweet Square said:
Nice to the club acting quickly. Ten Hag is a man of science and facts, last night result shows the era of the german nerd is over. No more bollocks about XG points and excel sheets, Don Carlo has brought back vibes to the world football and United are following accordingly. Looking forward to Evra and his dj decks coming in to join Ten Hag team within the next fews weeks.

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I’m for Anderson being on the wheels of steel with Sexy Steeve McClaren hitting the vocals.

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Thank God Man Utd ain't about to play any football for a little while. I honestly don't see how ETH will succeed here, our club is rotten to its core
 
George Owen said:
Primarily, his lack of experience. Also, he has been in the club long enough, so I'm guessing he was finger appointed by the upper echelons, as someone who won't be an issue for them in terms of imposing his own ideas.
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Murtough has plenty of experience and he was in charge of rebuilding the youth setups and the building the women team from scratch and he did both well. Before being hired by United he was an highly rated football executive who ended up being hired by the PL, he hasn't finally been given this job because he won't be an issue but because he has paid his dues and deserve the opportunity.
 
Tom Cato said:
The myth of Ralfs all knowing club building greatness is going to reach Ravel Morrison levels of "what-if" now.
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well that pales in comparision to Murtough. He built the United's women's team you know?
 
RedBanker said:
There was no way in hell that we were going for a revolution as suggested by Ralf. Although that's what we need. Hence this was inevitable. The question now is why did we waste the season hiring him when Conte was available and could have comfortably got us 4th.
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UnitedSofa said:
We would never have got ETH. Then fans would've been pissed if he went to City and the CAF would have erupted at how incompetent we are.
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Also, given his pedigree, it was expected that he could also have gotten 4th, but with a better plan.

To be fair, I was also on the Rangnick train at the time. I didn't think it'd be this bad.
 
George Owen said:
They should, but they won't. They are assets of the club, and our club mission, is to make money for the owners.

Sticking it to the players and showing them the door is not acceptable for our owners. They want to make money of them. That's why we have so much trouble getting rid of the cancer.
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Hard to disagree with that. There's a glass ceiling on all our ambitions as supporters and that is the Glazer family (no pun intended).
 
JPRouve said:
Murtough has plenty of experience and he was in charge of rebuilding the youth setups and the building the women team from scratch and he did both well. Before being hired by United he was an highly rated football executive who ended up being hired by the PL, he hasn't finally been given this job because he won't be an issue but because he has paid his dues and deserve the opportunity.
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Hopefully he proves me wrong.
 
JPRouve said:
Murtough has plenty of experience and he was in charge of rebuilding the youth setups and the building the women team from scratch and he did both well. Before being hired by United he was an highly rated football executive who ended up being hired by the PL, he hasn't finally been given this job because he won't be an issue but because he has paid his dues and deserve the opportunity.
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Rangnick achievement with Leipzig and Hoffenheim pale in comparison to that. Murtough was also pretty involved in the 'successful' overhaul of our recruitment department during the Ole administration. The same which probably saw us buying Maguire and AWB on silly money
 
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