From how Luckhurst has reported, and hes credible, Ralf has pointed out the inadequacies in recruitment and we've reacted by sacking scouts responsible for recruitment.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Exactly. "Go away Ralf"
Reminds me of the dithering under Moyes. Weren’t we offered 5 players and the club said no.
you haven't followed the news have youVlahovic and Diaz in 48 hours? I’ve no doubt that we have had issues in scouting and recruitment but that’s just deluded from Rangnick.
I've watch the press conference myself instead of making stuff up in my head.
Depends how good the negotiating team is. We could've agreed a loan with obligation to pay a set amount in summer to get it through quicker.
We stood no chance with 48 hours because we were/are run by idiots.
Didn't we agree fellaini in the last 5 mins
It's worrying that the scouting department didn't even have those players at hand to recommend. Not surprised the two big names are being shown the door, piss poor that really.
I have no hope it's going to be any different this summer.
And it was too late for any of the 3 Ralf mentioned there so he sounds no better from that exchange either.
Think you’re missing the point here. He said we should have at least been open to something but the board said “no player could improve us rn” Think RR is just putting pressure on the board with this, which is a great thing. I love it.
The point is there were players available that we should've tried to go for while the board just said there was nobody on the market who could.
Isn't it the scouting department that said no? The quotes in the BBC story about this from Rangnick imply that the board agreed that a striker was needed, but the scouts said nobody was available who was worth it.
Have to say I love Ralf and his level of not giving a feck about what he says in pressers. Just 100% honesty and doesn't withhold information
They prefer giving players who aren't good enough new contracts which is much easier than signing new players.
Do you not think this highlights exactly what's been wrong with running of club post fergie.
Football man says we should do "x" then owners/management of the club say no we know better.
All this worry of 48hrs. I'm sure we could make it happen if we wanted it to. But if this leads the club to listening to ETH then Ralph is doing/has done his job
Football man says we should do "x" then owners/management of the club say no we know better.
All this worry of 48hrs. I'm sure we could make it happen if we wanted it to. But if this leads the club to listening to ETH then Ralph is doing/has done his job
I’m not sure I am but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The journos probed him so he threw out a few names. It’s easy to talk. Vlahovic and Diaz were non-starters here: LiverpooI, Juve and Spurs would have done extensive groundwork on these deals. But I do sympathise with him because he was dealt a bad hand with Martial, Cavani and Greenwood becoming non-factors for different reasons .
As @Aretak has pointed out, seemed the board agreed, but the scouting department said no
Sam Luckhurst reported the link there to the fact that global scouts were then being sacked. Hes known to have better sources.
Also, absolutely zero chance they make that kind of signing with an interim manager in charge... Maybe if they could have asked Ten Hag for his blessing but the next manager wouldn't have even been decided back then.
There's no excuse however for the board/scouting to not at least have looked at loan options though.
This is what I read on Sky:
"I spoke to the board and said shouldn't we at least speak and try and analyse if we could get a player either on loan or as a permanent deal but in the end the answer was no.”
So yeah I’m really not sure.
It was not actually the Board but the Recruitment department informed the Board that there was no player available. I am confident that this was one of the reasons why they had to leave. I love RR. Draining the swamps. The recruitment and the scouting department should always be on the look out for all players. In fact they have been too comfortable in their jobs and not putting in any effort. I am sure that Murtough and Arnold agreed with Ralf and that is why they have been forced to leave.
I think it just goes to show ANY manager that comes into this club has a proper fecking job on their hands. These comments make me fear nothing will change anytime soon.
If that's the answer Ralf got from the scouting department especially after 10 years of bringing shit players to the club - I'm glad people were sacked from their jobs.
Especially when we see what Diaz is doing now in Liverpool and how good was Vlahovich at Fiorentina and who knows how Alvarez will be at city ?
Especially when we see what Diaz is doing now in Liverpool and how good was Vlahovich at Fiorentina and who knows how Alvarez will be at city ?
I think Ralf mentioning Alvarez and Dias was more of a way to stick it to the board/scouting department than as realistic targets.
As if to say sure there's no one available to improve us but somehow Liverpool who are in the UCL final and City who are title challengers have found improvements.
As if to say sure there's no one available to improve us but somehow Liverpool who are in the UCL final and City who are title challengers have found improvements.
I'd hazard a guess they weren't kicked out because of their misjudgement of players talent. More that they hadn't done the due diligence ready made for when they club needed names they could approach quickly.
That's usually the type of thing directors hate.
That's usually the type of thing directors hate.
Them leaving doesn't mean it had anything to do with Ralf.
Who were these players? Its easy to name players like Vlahovic and Dias who I'm sure would have been targets for Juve and Liverpool months prior to them signing. Its silly of Ralf to mention them when the context is completely different.
The issue as I see it is in 48hrs there was no realistic signing that could join at the last minute in January. I'm sure all of our scouting and transfers were geared towards the summer. I don't really care for the old recruitment team but losing Greenwood took everyone by surprise. Sure we could have maybe got an Ighalo signing but that's not the type of player that would have changed our fortune in any way.
This is just another one of Ralf's self serving quotes in my opinion.
Self serving or not, it puts more pressure on the club to figure it the hell out. RR’s “self serving” interests and our interests align so I don’t see where the problem is. He helps fix ManUtd he’s a legend and a genius, so i’m okay with him serving his own interests here.
This threads complete bs. Ralf is merely the messenger who it now transpires, even tried to sign a striker in January, of which included Luis Díaz, Dusan Vlahovic and River Plate’s Julián Álvarez, all flatly refused by the board.
Other than those flat Earthers who think this current incarnation of a squad is somehow manageable, the majority of sensible fans already knew the answer regarding the inadequacies in recruitment, which we've now fortunately dealt with by sacking the scouts responsible.
Other than those flat Earthers who think this current incarnation of a squad is somehow manageable, the majority of sensible fans already knew the answer regarding the inadequacies in recruitment, which we've now fortunately dealt with by sacking the scouts responsible.
I can’t believe you’re having to spell this out to some here.
You're right we can never know for sure but I think they are taking his recommendations. I remember reading this months ago that Arnold was reviewing our structure following transfer complaints in january.
This is a major development I think he must have part influenced. I never thought they'd act on it. Usually these headlines fizzle out and and are never heard again so maybe the new actors are playing their roles. There are scouts being sacked months after it was reported he was bemused at having no reports on Nkunku. No this isn't saying Ralf is behind it but even if he leaves he might have done some good.
Spot on!
This is the way I see it:
As a manager, regardless of whether it's his best skillset (i.e it's not) or with the underlying issues we had in the team before he arrived, he's been poor.
As a cold blooded analyst of the issues and how he speaks his mind, he's been brilliant.
The issue with the latter is that it seems to mean almost feck all as he hasn't been able to influence that much because the board didn't put him in a position to do it. Furthermore, if his consultancy is 'only' a few days a month, his input is even more limited in the future.
This whole season and the 6 months under Rangnick has been a waste and the only hope is that with ETH's appointment and this new found 'direction' under Murtough, maybe we do actually have some structure in place. Maybe Rangnick's consultancy and knowledge going forward, as he has succinctly articulated of what he believes may work for us can kickstart some new foundation for ETH to build upon.
That's the only hope and logical conclusion I have.
As a manager, regardless of whether it's his best skillset (i.e it's not) or with the underlying issues we had in the team before he arrived, he's been poor.
As a cold blooded analyst of the issues and how he speaks his mind, he's been brilliant.
The issue with the latter is that it seems to mean almost feck all as he hasn't been able to influence that much because the board didn't put him in a position to do it. Furthermore, if his consultancy is 'only' a few days a month, his input is even more limited in the future.
This whole season and the 6 months under Rangnick has been a waste and the only hope is that with ETH's appointment and this new found 'direction' under Murtough, maybe we do actually have some structure in place. Maybe Rangnick's consultancy and knowledge going forward, as he has succinctly articulated of what he believes may work for us can kickstart some new foundation for ETH to build upon.
That's the only hope and logical conclusion I have.
With the greatest respect, you’re missing the point here.
With the greatest respect he/she never gets the point because his/her favorite was sacked and his/her new favourite didn't get the gig.
That's why I have some reservation when people keep talking about Murtough and his new team are all that.
This is the new team that threw away our season in Nov. Appoint a wrong interim manager. Refused to back the manager with signings in Jan.
Now if ETH says he needs a 2 strikers, 1 CB, 1 RB and 2 CMs will the board says no again?
This is the new team that threw away our season in Nov. Appoint a wrong interim manager. Refused to back the manager with signings in Jan.
Now if ETH says he needs a 2 strikers, 1 CB, 1 RB and 2 CMs will the board says no again?
You have got it wrong. Ralf said we urgently need a striker as Greenwood was suspended. The Board agreed but the scouting and recruitment department said there is no one available. Obviously the CEO and DOF had founded out that these two guys were not prepared for any eventuality and had not done due diligence.
Willing to give him a chance as he at least seems to know change is needed, even just taking advice from is an improvement. I remain cautious though because between the Bruno extension and confidently backing Ole and renewing Phelan and the rest I get the feeling of a guy whose foresight is far from 20/20.
Diaz would be another LW replacing our only RW in Greenwood right?
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