Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[justsomebloke]

Take a step back and think about what you’re moaning about. It’s unbelievably trivial and petty. Who gives a feck?

You do, apparently?

What I'm on about is RR being on a narrative that is already about next season, and lacking in focus on the remaining games. The winning of which is his primary job, for now. Whatever that is, it's not trivial.

 

[I’m loving my life]

Idiot.

It’s Talksport

A radio station created by idiots, with commentary and ‘insights’ from idiots, listened to and only believed by a bunch of gullible idiots.

 

[Bobcat]

Anyone knows what happens with him at the end of the season? Does he move upstairs or does he leave?

 

[Ayoba]

Anyone knows what happens with him at the end of the season? Does he move upstairs or does he leave?

He's taken the Austria manager job and will work with us for 6 days a month

 

[Foxbatt]

Anyone knows what happens with him at the end of the season? Does he move upstairs or does he leave?

He never was to move upstairs. He always was to be a consultant.

 

[Pexbo]

You do, apparently?

What I'm on about is RR being on a narrative that is already about next season, and lacking in focus on the remaining games. The winning of which is his primary kob, for now. Whatever that is, it's not trivial.

What’s more important right now, this season or next season?

 

[crossy1686]

"I've already spoken about that, and right now I'm completely focused on winning the last two games"? You know, what pretty much every manager in his position would say?

What exactly are you moaning about? A manager with two games left stating facts on a question he was asked directly about transfers? It's not even like he lied, everything he said was pretty much spot on.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You are correct, I do have an issue comprehending you. Have a good day mate.

Clearly you have an issue with simple comprehension if you derived from a post that said absolutely nothing about RR and top-four, that I somehow meant that

I think you're just looking to pick a fight tbh.

 

[#07]

Who knew benching downtooling thick players would elavate the performance ?

With rashford, lingard, shaw, maguire, pogba, awb in the team we're literally playing at half strength.

I think there's a lot to be said for this. If there are factions in the dressing room I think they are showing themselves now in the absence of a few faces. Makes you wonder how much different this season could have been if Rangnick had prioritised playing the players who were willing to work for him, instead of trying to accommodate the 'best' players.

I think today and against Arsenal were possibly our best games for this season. A bit too late.

Agreed. The scoreline at Arsenal flattered them massively. We were denied two penalties and the game turned on Bruno missing a penalty and Xhaka blasting one in when DeGea had to look around the shoulder of an offside player. However, as you say, its too little too late. We could've and should've done more in other games. Watford at home being a particular embarrassment, so many chances.

In the end the table doesn't lie. We've not done enough and, upon reflection, Rangnick may ask himself how different it might've been if he'd given up earlier on players who gave up on him. I come back to senior players saying the season is dead and there's nothing to play for, before we played the likes of Leicester and Everton. Had we won those games...

 

[justsomebloke]

What’s more important right now, this season or next season?

Right now, this season obviously. At least for Ralf Rangnick, whose job it is to lead the team in their last two games.

 

[Matt851]

The only team that had a free hit was Brentford. United still want to finish as high as possible and Europa League is way better than Conference as far as UEFA Club Coefficient is concerned. And Europa is an automatic entry into CL if won. So the results still matter, as do performances.

Garnacho is still in line for the FA Youth Cup final and he, like Fernandez, are helping to make up the numbers. That's fine and they have deserved and earned their spots on the bench due to injury and merit.

Jesus christ, saying its important we finish in the europa league because the winners get a cl spot and it could improve our uefa coefficient is stretching things. You could just as easily say finishing outside of the europa would give ten hag more time to work with the team and give us a better chance of fourth.

These games are as much of a free hit for us as we will ever get in the pl

Also given how many of the senior players were phoning it in before yesterday it wasn't hard to envisage us doing better with some motivated young players in the team

 

[SoCross]

He never was to move upstairs. He always was to be a consultant.

Wonder what his TOR will be. I can't see him involved in recruitment i.e. identifying players for example. But might help Murtough re-structure the scouting department.

 

[TwoSheds]

Showed yesterday that repeating the same things over and over that keep failing perhaps wasn't the smartest move from a guy who was supposed to be challenging for CL places. We had players on the bench the whole time who could've been contributing.

 

[stevoc]

Is he being paid millions though ? More than the players ?

Does he have any authority to fix the mentality of the squad when the players know he'll be out in 6 months ? He's like the substitute teacher in school who no one listened to.

Did we already have a problem before he arrived ?

I am not saying hand him a 5 year contract, what I am saying is that the previous manager, the current board and players share the large proportion of the blame. Its easy to make rangnick the punching bag.

Even if we appointed someone else we wouldn't be sweeping aside the opposition, yes me might be better off but I bet it would only be marginally. Who's to say we wouldn't be worse off ?

Lets face facts, we aren't dropping points because the opposition manager tactically outmaneuvered rangnick, we're dropping points because the players have downtool'ed. Even if the players think rangnick is a knob they still have no excuse to downtool because they know he won't be around after 6 months. For me the current mess is on the players and on the board for recruiting them rather than rangnick, by piling on rangnick the fans are again papering over the cracks by pretending "only" a managerial change is needed to fix the mess. Absolute bollocks, the whole squad needs to be gutted along with the structure of the club and rebult. And yes that includes the manager aswell before anyone starts frothing at the mouth with that rangnite nonsense.

That isn't an excuse at all let's be fair here. United isn't a school class room and plenty of Interim managers have went into clubs and had positive effects and success.

 

[justsomebloke]

What exactly are you moaning about? A manager with two games left stating facts on a question he was asked directly about transfers? It's not even like he lied, everything he said was pretty much spot on.

This is what I'm "moaning" about: Even without considering the still theoretical possibility of qualifying for the CL, those two games decide if we're playing in the Europa League, the Europa Conference League or not in Europe at all next season. Which will have a much bigger impact on United's future than getting some true stuff said (again) about the squad now rather than in three weeks. Managers generally, and wisely, attempt to keep the focus on the next game, especially if there are a lot of other things to talk about, which there obviously is in our case. His job in press conferences isn't to say things that are true and that we enjoy hearing.

His job right now is primarily getting the best possible results in those two games. After that, there'll be a whole summer to talk about other things.

I guess I've just had it with RR talking like he's already a consultant, and like the bad performance of the team is something he can just observe and point out. We may need to hear some home truths and it may be that the players are letting the side down, but it remains that it is also his responsibility to get a performance out of the team. I don't think he's getting the balance right. The players minds need to be on the last two games, not on next year. Getting it to be that way will be very hard, and he's just not helping.

And please - managers spend half their press conferences avoiding answering questions they prefer not to answer, because it draws the narrative in the wrong direction. It's not as if that's hard, or even remotely unusual.

 

[Orange Tree]

So why does he have to keep going on about it? After the Palace game is when it's going to be relevant. His primary job is winning the next two games. Bruno wouldn't even be drawn to say something about EtH. That's a proper sttitude.

The same Bruno who said we have nothing to play for against Liverpool?

 

[justsomebloke]

The same Bruno who said we have nothing to play for against Liverpool?

Yeah, that was weird, true enough.

 

[Berbaclass]

From Jason Burt:

It is understood that Rangnick recommended that United sign another striker in the January window after Mason Greenwood was suspended. However, the decision was taken to continue with the forward line that United possessed even though Anthony Martial left on loan to Sevilla.

 

[edcunited1878]

Jesus christ, saying its important we finish in the europa league because the winners get a cl spot and it could improve our uefa coefficient is stretching things. You could just as easily say finishing outside of the europa would give ten hag more time to work with the team and give us a better chance of fourth.

These games are as much of a free hit for us as we will ever get in the pl

Also given how many of the senior players were phoning it in before yesterday it wasn't hard to envisage us doing better with some motivated young players in the team

There's no such thing as a free hit for Manchester United. That's where you're wrong. United are the free hit. They are still targeted for the opposition, especially when teams come to OT.

United only had two available youth team players. One was a defender and the other was a forward. Not sure who else you were hoping to see.

The players who phoned it in like Rashford, Maguire, Lingard, maybe AWB, etc...they didn't play in front of the home crowd yesterday.

And the more matches United play, the better for the team and players progression under him. You can't improve if you don't play in competitive matches. When you're the age of Garnacho and Fernandez, being in first team squads and training with the first team is part of your growth. And they can still get some PL minutes in the remaining matches, but Garnacho has a cup final to look forward to next week.

 

[glazed]

He was brought in to get the best possible results in the remainder of the season. The same as if we went for Rudi Garcia or any of the other options.

No he wasn't. If that's what we wanted we would have kept Carrick. He was brought in to start the transition to high press and show the club was serious about it. That why ETH came. Short of relegation the results are immaterial.

 

[stevoc]

From Jason Burt:

The Greenwood news only broke at the very end of January (30th or 31st) didn't it?

And at the time we still had Ronaldo and Cavani (or at least we thought we did) so I can understand the club not wanting to scramble around in the deadline day bargain bin to bring another striker in.

 

[stevoc]

No he wasn't. If that's what we wanted we would have kept Carrick. He was brought in to start the transition to high press and show the club was serious about it. That why ETH came. Short of relegation the results are immaterial.

Has Ralf or anyone at the club actually said this or is this another Caf myth?

Honestly on what planet are the Glazers going to agree to just writing a season off and not worrying about CL football?

 

[RedPed]

No he wasn't. If that's what we wanted we would have kept Carrick. He was brought in to start the transition to high press and show the club was serious about it. That why ETH came. Short of relegation the results are immaterial.

Feck me!

 

[crossy1686]

Has Ralf or anyone at the club actually said this or is this another Caf myth?

Honestly on what planet are the Glazers going to agree to just writing a season off and not worrying about CL football?

I think it's a caf myth but the way Ralf speaks suggest he was of the understanding his job was to be a consultant, audit the club and fill the void until a manager comes in. So I can understand why people feel it's a likely scenario.

When they decided to shop for an interim and not buy any players in January, while allowing Ralf to send a bunch out on loan, it was pretty clear the club had decided this season was the time to reboot.

 

[DSG]

I think it's a caf myth but the way Ralf speaks suggest he was of the understanding his job was to be a consultant, audit the club and fill the void until a manager comes in. So I can understand why people feel it's a likely scenario.

When they decided to shop for an interim and not buy any players in January, while allowing Ralf to send a bunch out on loan, it was pretty clear the club had decided this season was the time to reboot.

Hilarious take. On one hand, you say it’s a Caf myth, then you perpetuate it by saying the board had decided to write the season off.

Man United is a public company with shares held by institutional investors as well as retail investors. Given this, I can assure you, management didn’t intentionally sabotage the season, saying feck off to 60-100m in cash and 20% of our annual revenues. It’s tantamount to corporate malpractice for them to do so.

‘Look, management and Ralf and the players fecked it up, collectively. Under no scenario is it “easier” for Ten Hag to rebuild without the CL money — why would it be?

 

[Matt851]

Has Ralf or anyone at the club actually said this or is this another Caf myth?

Honestly on what planet are the Glazers going to agree to just writing a season off and not worrying about CL football?

It's something peddled by idiots

The thing about Carrick is bizarre, we're they trying to say Carrick guarantees good results

 

[mu4c_20le]

If you look up the word conjecture in an Oxford dictionary, you'd find a link to this thread.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

So why does he have to keep going on about it? After the Palace game is when it's going to be relevant. His primary job is winning the next two games. Bruno wouldn't even be drawn to say something about EtH. That's a proper sttitude.

Not really. The fact that you think that just goes to how we are used to a complete lack of foresight and planning at this football club. You have to have plans in place right now to execute in the summer so that you aren't running around like listless fools come July with our supposed targets having been bagged by other clubs.

The last few games of the season aren't really that important. It's crucial to get our summer recruitment right now. And just because someone talks about the latter publicly it does not mean that's all they are focused on 100 per cent of their time.

 

[Leftback99]

No he wasn't. If that's what we wanted we would have kept Carrick. He was brought in to start the transition to high press and show the club was serious about it. That why ETH came. Short of relegation the results are immaterial.

I feel like I've missed out on the brainwashing that many seem to have gone through here.

I'd love to see that conversation in November with the Glazers. "Yeah revenues are likely to take a significant hit next season but on the plus side we'll have a higher press than what we have now".

 

[Ibi Dreams]

Showed yesterday that repeating the same things over and over that keep failing perhaps wasn't the smartest move from a guy who was supposed to be challenging for CL places. We had players on the bench the whole time who could've been contributing.

The team yesterday really wasn't that different to what he's played in the last few months. The big change was Mata central and Bruno wide. All the other players have pretty consistently been in the team recently, though it's been fairly in and out for some of them

 

[Greck]

From Jason Burt:

It is understood that Rangnick recommended that United sign another striker in the January window after Mason Greenwood was suspended. However, the decision was taken to continue with the forward line that United possessed even though Anthony Martial left on loan to Sevilla.

He has always been upfront about our need for a new striker. The one position he specifically name drops. I do find it funny how Rashford has become invisible. It's not Ralf's fault though because he's just too limited. He's a runner with pace and a sweet strike, that's it. No real tools to help proactive teams outside of indiscriminately spamming that sweet strike from every angle. An absolute disaster when asked to play a team game.

 

[crossy1686]

Hilarious take. On one hand, you say it’s a Caf myth, then you perpetuate it by saying the board had decided to write the season off.

Man United is a public company with shares held by institutional investors as well as retail investors. Given this, I can assure you, management didn’t intentionally sabotage the season, saying feck off to 60-100m in cash and 20% of our annual revenues. It’s tantamount to corporate malpractice for them to do so.

‘Look, management and Ralf and the players fecked it up, collectively. Under no scenario is it “easier” for Ten Hag to rebuild without the CL money — why would it be?

They haven't sabotaged anything, they have taken the opportunity to restructure the club while the team is in a state of transition.

The club not qualifying for the CL only hurts the footballing side of United, it barely touches the marketing side so no CL football, less transfer budget, less wages paid out. It doesn't make that much of a difference to the brand in the short term, it may over the long term but it won't next season.

And regarding the stock, it's piece of slow moving shit. It's moved sideways for 10 years, if you own it you aren't making money, in fact you're losing money due to inflation. You'd have to be a moron to buy it.

If they were serious about salvaging the season they would have bought a midfielder or a striker in January and backed Ralf.

 

[Tavern in the town]

No he wasn't. If that's what we wanted we would have kept Carrick. He was brought in to start the transition to high press and show the club was serious about it. That why ETH came. Short of relegation the results are immaterial.

Big fan of people on this thread regularly and blatantly making things up whenever they feel like it.

 

[glazed]

Has Ralf or anyone at the club actually said this or is this another Caf myth?

Honestly on what planet are the Glazers going to agree to just writing a season off and not worrying about CL football?

I feel like I've missed out on the brainwashing that many seem to have gone through here.

I'd love to see that conversation in November with the Glazers. "Yeah revenues are likely to take a significant hit next season but on the plus side we'll have a higher press than what we have now".

Big fan of people on this thread regularly and blatantly making things up whenever they feel like it.

It's really simple even for a top red to understand. You convert to high press mid season with a bunch of obviously unsuitable players, you are not going to do that great. It's screamingly obvious. They brought in Ralf to start a transition process that they knew could no longer be postponed. Of course they might have hoped for top four. But there's no reason to think they could reasonably expected it.

Like I say - if top four is your priority, you make Carrick acting manager and get the popularity bounce. That's not what they did. It was a clear 'no more business as usual' moment. Had the board not done that, they would have completely lost credibility.

 

[Tavern in the town]

It's really simple even for a top red to understand. You convert to high press mid season with a bunch of obviously unsuitable players, you are not going to do that great. It's screamingly obvious. They brought in Ralf to start a transition process that they knew could no longer be postponed. Of course they might have hoped for top four. But there's no reason to think they could reasonably expected it.

Like I say - if top four is your priority, you make Carrick acting manager and get the popularity bounce. That's not what they did. It was a clear 'no more business as usual' moment. Had the board not done that, they would have completely lost credibility.

Again, you are just making something up that hasn’t been backed up by a single credible source. Or even a bullshit source. This is a figment of your imagination and calling someone a top red doesn’t make you more intelligent.

 

[city-puma]

It's really simple even for a top red to understand. You convert to high press mid season with a bunch of obviously unsuitable players, you are not going to do that great. It's screamingly obvious. They brought in Ralf to start a transition process that they knew could no longer be postponed. Of course they might have hoped for top four. But there's no reason to think they could reasonably expected it.

Like I say - if top four is your priority, you make Carrick acting manager and get the popularity bounce. That's not what they did. It was a clear 'no more business as usual' moment. Had the board not done that, they would have completely lost credibility.

Imagination and distortion of reality.

 

[TwoSheds]

The team yesterday really wasn't that different to what he's played in the last few months. The big change was Mata central and Bruno wide. All the other players have pretty consistently been in the team recently, though it's been fairly in and out for some of them

Yeah, quite. It took until the season was over before he thought "I like to effectively have no.10s on the wing in my system, maybe I should try Mata and Bruno and see if that helps to knit things together". I can't wait to finally have a decent manager in charge again.

 

[Foxbatt]

Wonder what his TOR will be. I can't see him involved in recruitment i.e. identifying players for example. But might help Murtough re-structure the scouting department.

From what I have seen publicly recruitment was never part of it. I feel it was more of a strategic plan for United. That's his forte.
Head of recruitment is always a full time job and from the start it was always a consulting role that was never full time.

 

[RuudTom83]

I fear it will be much of the same next season.

Fans expect too much from a coaching team thrown together last minute. Ralf came alone and had to pick up the pieces.

ETH will be working with a lot of the same pieces next season.

 

[DSG]

They haven't sabotaged anything, they have taken the opportunity to restructure the club while the team is in a state of transition.

The club not qualifying for the CL only hurts the footballing side of United, it barely touches the marketing side so no CL football, less transfer budget, less wages paid out. It doesn't make that much of a difference to the brand in the short term, it may over the long term but it won't next season.

And regarding the stock, it's piece of slow moving shit. It's moved sideways for 10 years, if you own it you aren't making money, in fact you're losing money due to inflation. You'd have to be a moron to buy it.

If they were serious about salvaging the season they would have bought a midfielder or a striker in January and backed Ralf.

Don’t disagree with you on the stock. I’m sure the institutional investors aren’t particularly pleased. Doesn’t mean they don’t want performance going forward.

‘Not making the CL on a regular basis DOES impact the marketing side, this has been well documented. Team Viewer pays £17m less per year than Chevrolet. If you are a sponsor, would you rather see your logo on CL match days or Europa?

It’s not unusual for fans to look at the club through a narrow football lens, but it makes for naive analysis and crap theories.

By the way, the Rangnites seem to have this theory that this was all some sort of grand plan by the Glazers…. Given their actions and decisions post Fergie, why on earth would you think the “brilliant” Glazers are masterminding a club transformation? Those guys look like they can hardly tie their shoes by themselves…