Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Worse than Ole by far
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No doubt but his time here has been what we needed as it truly shows these players are the problem. Ralf was never going to be the answer long term and while I expected better we are seeing that these players will fail under anyone.

If Ralf is sticking around behind the scenes he will have a lot of information to pass to ETH
 
I rate him and not just because I like the guy. There was a time earlier in his spell where I was pretty keen for him to stay on longer but that didn’t last too long, it clearly hasn’t worked out and a fresh start is obviously the way forward. The players haven’t bought into his system as in general they have a terrible attitude. Things would have been different if they wouldn’t have been able to dismiss him as an interim and he had time to bring in a few players to make his system work. I don’t think he was capable of taking us back to the top by surpassing Pep or Klopp but that doesnt been I don’t rate him. I think he could do a good job at many premier league clubs.
 
Nope, I think he could of doing a lot more with Sancho and Rashford and drop Ronaldo. I would of playing Dalot and Telles as wing backs. CB Maguire CB Varane CB Bailey CM Pogba CM Matic CM/AM Bruno CF Sancho CF Rashford. I dont understand how a manager persists with McFred.

That team would get you top four. I wonder did he actually push for a center midfielder in January or did he think McFred was enough. Did he even look for midfielders on loan if they weren't going to give him funds.
 
clarkydaz said:
And we were fed the notion Ole brought the culture back
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Yeah my point exactly. The whole point of Ole was to get rid of the toxic stuff from Mourinho’s time here and set the foundations right. He was never going to be a great game manager or out think Pep. So what exactly was the ferking point of Ole? LVG you could see what he wanted to do (dull, but at least there was a plan), Mourinho was horrible but he won something. Ole has been the biggest failure barring Moyes post Fergie.
 
clarkydaz said:
And we were fed the notion Ole brought the culture back
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Well this time last year for me was the first time since Ferguson the fans and players were properly connected. Even the Caf was a pretty upbeat place. It was a likeable side - yes lacking in a bit of quality - but since Fernandes signed until the end of last season we had a win percentage of 60%. That’s an 18 month sample size. Heck, even the Leeds home game the whole club was absolutely rocking. If someone told me after that game we’d be in the state we currently are I’d have asked what drugs they’d taken. It’s proper bonkers.
 
Ole kept the top four show on the road a bit longer, but the road always led off a cliff, Top Red delusions of adequacy notwithstanding.

Ralf's job was to create the conditions for Ten hag to come here. That's all. And he succeeded.
 
Mickeza said:
Honestly…what the feck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room. It’s astounding to me.
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It’s insane how quick things changed. Last season the dressing room was settled and the group looked harmonic. The British fraction was in charge and maintained order in the ranks.

What changed during the summer?

Varane and Ronaldo joined the group.The British fraction was suddenly marginalised and replaced by Varane, Pogba, Bruno and Ronaldo (I’m sure neither DVB, Matic or Bailly were sorry for that). Suddenly the British players look miserable and start underperforming more than anybody else.
 
glazed said:
Ole kept the top four show on the road a bit longer, but the road always led off a cliff, Top Red delusions of adequacy notwithstanding.

Ralf's job was to create the conditions for Ten hag to come here. That's all. And he succeeded.
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In letting us fall off a cliff?
 
Polar said:
It’s insane how quick things changed. Last season the dressing room was settled and the group looked harmonic. The British fraction was in charge and maintained order in the ranks.

What changed during the summer?

Varane and Ronaldo joined the group.The British fraction was suddenly marginalised and replaced by Varane, Pogba, Bruno and Ronaldo (I’m sure neither DVB, Matic or Bailly were sorry for that). Suddenly the British players look miserable and start underperforming more than anybody else.
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Yes. It’s totally a race thing.



Completely forgetting that Pogba and his gang were a cancer Mourinho tried to eliminate. Which includes Rashford and Lingard might I add.
 
Matriac said:
In letting us fall off a cliff?
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This is a lie which has been peddled here for a very long time.

When Ole left we were number 7th with 17 points from 12 games.

We are now 7th still.

So we have not improved. The manager has changed but players haven't changed, league position hasn't changed meaning players are 7th in quality in the league. They were not under achieving during Ole reign.



It's not like Ralf is like Moyes who took Champions United to United at 7th place.
 
Mickeza said:
Honestly…what the feck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room. It’s astounding to me.
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We have a toxic squad that has seen how much power they weld and how hard it has been to move them on. With fat contracts and long terms on those contracts they have no incentive. To the vast majority of this squad, they have met their goal in life because they are a "Manchester United player" and that was enough. After Ole was fired they knew Ralf's real job was going to be a consultant and only cover till the end of the season. The ego's in the squad and poor club structure have created a "i've got mine, and I must protect it" mantra and short-term manager be damned, they only have to wait out a mid-table finish.

This thread is good evidence enough that players only have to wait out managers and the mouth breathers will go back to hyping up has-been losers. Some of the posts about Rangnick on this thread deserve mental health assessments.
 
Bastian said:
Wow. What a quote. Good man.
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Yeah something seems very wrong. Ralf does seem to be suggesting all is not right and i'm glad he's acknowledging it.

Polar said:
It’s insane how quick things changed. Last season the dressing room was settled and the group looked harmonic. The British fraction was in charge and maintained order in the ranks.

What changed during the summer?
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There was a quote though I think at the start of the season by a player through the media that said something to the effect of 'people don't realise how far this team has come in the past few years" and I remember thinking "but, you actually haven't really done anything at all". Jose's final full season finished with 81 points, 2nd place and a deserved defeat in an FA cup final. He deservedly got the sack next season. Ole's final season finished in 2nd place with 75 points and a Europa league final defeat. If they get upset by the arrival of actual winners in Ronaldo and Varane, then you have to question what kind of culture exists at the club and how fragile the player's egos are, not to mention their notions of progress/success.
 
Jim Beam said:
That's remarkable (in a bad way). Please put the youngsters along with De Gea, Fred and 3 or 4 them.
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How people can be paid tens of thousands per week and not even apply the basic level for their job. A bunch of chancers, the lot of them.
 
“We’re fully aware and I think we all agree that this is the league in Europe with the highest level of intensity and physicality, and that is why I was very disappointed about the game against Everton because we were second best in all those relevant statistics with regard to total distance, fast runs, sprints, and this is just not acceptable, and this should not happen again any more, no matter against which team that we play, that we are second best in all those relevant areas of the game. Even more so since they had played on Wednesday and we didn’t have a game the whole week.”
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Keep blaming Ralf.....keep denying that these chancers are stealing a wage and just not even participating in training any more.
 
Well, love that he is firing on all of them. You can say whatever you want about his menagerial credentials (think they are fine personally), but he says it like it is. And would be great that he is involved in some capacity going forward.

These players are also morons. If you have someone as interim and he then moves upstairs it's basically worse then having a full time manager if you don't prove yourself. The first one might bench you, the second one can throw you out. Although, doubt most of them care.
 
honirelandboy said:
Nope, I think he could of doing a lot more with Sancho and Rashford and drop Ronaldo. I would of playing Dalot and Telles as wing backs. CB Maguire CB Varane CB Bailey CM Pogba CM Matic CM/AM Bruno CF Sancho CF Rashford. I dont understand how a manager persists with McFred.

That team would get you top four. I wonder did he actually push for a center midfielder in January or did he think McFred was enough. Did he even look for midfielders on loan if they weren't going to give him funds.
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After the 3rd manager in a row trusts mcfred over likes of pogba and matic, may be they know something we don't given they actually know how these guys do in training.
 
Polar said:
It’s insane how quick things changed. Last season the dressing room was settled and the group looked harmonic. The British fraction was in charge and maintained order in the ranks.

What changed during the summer?

Varane and Ronaldo joined the group.The British fraction was suddenly marginalised and replaced by Varane, Pogba, Bruno and Ronaldo (I’m sure neither DVB, Matic or Bailly were sorry for that). Suddenly the British players look miserable and start underperforming more than anybody else.
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What a daft post. First, things were wrong a long time before. 2nd, the English players are as poisonous as any other group we have.
 


What sort of attitude is this? Hopefully its not as literal as he's saying there.
 
Carl said:


What sort of attitude is this? Hopefully its not as literal as he's saying there.
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I mean he’s not wrong is he? He’s an interim manager, his remit will have been to challenge in the cups and secure Champions League football. While that is still mathematically possible there is no way he can just throw the kids out there. Not unless he was absolutely sure they were a better option than anyone else. You can make all the comments you like about the state of our current squad but I promise you that if your life was on the line and you had to pick a winning lineup against Norwich today, you would be picking McTominay and Fred ahead of Hannibal and Ronaldo/Rashford/Cavani ahead of Garnacho
 
Matriac said:
In letting us fall off a cliff?
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I know what you are trying to say, but let me call your bluff by saying, yes, exactly.

The players were given a fairly simple remit, press, control and quick verticality where possible.

Oleball involved the latter two, Ralf basically was instructing the players to add the former, they were asked to run and press with more intensity and most of them have failed miserably thus continuing to tank the season.

How this relates to ten Hag? He has half a seasons worth of evidence as to who is going to give him the best chance to succeed immediately, half a seasons worth of evidence along with the day to day input from one of the most respected men in coaching circles in world football.

So yes, he has made the conditions for ten Hag to come in better.
 
Pexbo said:
I mean he’s not wrong is he? He’s an interim manager, his remit will have been to challenge in the cups and secure Champions League football. While that is still mathematically possible there is no way he can just throw the kids out there. Not unless he was absolutely sure they were a better option than anyone else. You can make all the comments you like about the state of our current squad but I promise you that if your life was on the line and you had to pick a winning lineup against Norwich today, you would be picking McTominay and Fred ahead of Hannibal and Ronaldo/Rashford/Cavani ahead of Garnacho
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Why though? This isn't some petulant, hipster point of view. The players he's using at the minute have 1 win in our last 7 games. That, in itself, could be reason enough to give a young player an opportunity. But then throw in that players in those positions are either injured (McTominay, Fred) or grossly underperforming (Rashford, Sancho) then what harm will it do?
 
Carl said:


What sort of attitude is this? Hopefully its not as literal as he's saying there.
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He's right even if we're not fighting for much, we still play teams who are and there are ramifications for teams in competition with other teams such as in the relegation battle.
 
I am glad that the problem is being finally addressed and identified now. We have a group of overpaid and underperforming player who either need a boot up their arses or firing. The standards have gotten so low that sub standard performances have become the norm now. We need to start shaking things up, the club finally looks like it has woken a little and tried to address the vitriol that has been brewing in shape of club structure, players managers everything.
Hopefully ETH becomes very ruthless and just doesn't accept substandard effort from the players.
 
horsechoker said:
He's right even if we're not fighting for much, we still play teams who are and there are ramifications for teams in competition with other teams such as in the relegation battle.
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Not certain what point you're making here. You saying we shouldn't play the likes of Hannibal and Garnacho for some kind of sporting integrity reasons?
 
Carl said:
Not certain what point you're making here. You saying we shouldn't play the likes of Hannibal and Garnacho for some kind of sporting integrity reasons?
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You shouldn't play too much of a weakened side as it risks benefitting certain teams.

If we were closer to top 4 we wouldn't want Spurs or Arsenal's opponents fielding experimental teams
 
horsechoker said:
You shouldn't play too much of a weakened side as it risks benefitting certain teams.

If we were closer to top 4 we wouldn't want Spurs or Arsenal's opponents fielding experimental teams
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I'm not suggesting playing 11 kids. I'm saying it's disappointing he's suggesting he can't really play Hannibal or Garnacho at the moment, despite the "senior" players having 1 win in the last 7, and having so far guided us to 7th in the league.
 
Carl said:
I'm not suggesting playing 11 kids. I'm saying it's disappointing he's suggesting he can't really play Hannibal or Garnacho at the moment, despite the "senior" players having 1 win in the last 7, and having so far guided us to 7th in the league.
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I would bench them all as a message. But, that's because am beyond pissed with most of them.

Rationally it would be absolutely dissapointing not to see Hannibal or Garnacho getting the chance as you say.
 
AmanNits04 said:
I am glad that the problem is being finally addressed and identified now. We have a group of overpaid and underperforming player who either need a boot up their arses or firing. The standards have gotten so low that sub standard performances have become the norm now.
Hopefully ETH becomes very ruthless and just doesn't accept substandard effort from the players.
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Its always easier to buy players than to sell or let them go. Thats why its always the manager who goes first.
 
Carl said:


What sort of attitude is this? Hopefully its not as literal as he's saying there.
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He makes it sound like a young player is only ever gonna play in friendlies.

Hannibal is a £10m professional footballer who has represented his country in 2 tournaments. But he can't get a game when all but 2 midfielders are injured and neither of them want to be here. One of them doesn't even want to be here with 400k a week on the table!

Guess he should just be happy he's training?
 
To be honest Hannibel & Garnacho will work harder and run more then the likes Pogba and Matic and few others as there just wasting time now.

Rather see effort and the willing to play well then see the others jog around and not make the effort at all as its been most of the time this season from certain players
 
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