Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
 
Tiber said:
Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
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I’m not sure you have any idea why he was brought in to be honest.
 
Ten Hag, Ralf and Steve McClaren.

Not exactly the young up and coming dream team we were promised for the modern era is it?
 
lsd said:
Ten Hag, Ralf and Steve McClaren.

Not exactly the young up and coming dream team we were promised for the modern era is it?
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Oh sorry, you mean like Mckenna and Carrick were? I swear some people would fecking complain if we got Klopp/Pep.
 
In retrospective those master disciple comparisons and graphic pictures were cringe.
 
TheReligion said:
I’m not sure you have any idea why he was brought in to be honest.
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It wasn’t to crash out of top 4…. Don’t be naive. There is probably 100m at stake. The Glazers actually thought Ralf could turn it around. All they wanted from him was top 4. He asked for, and got, the consulting contract. There are already reports of the board demanding European football from Ralf.
 
Tiber said:
Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
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Rangnick didn't do a great job as interim coach. That does not mean his potential role at executive level should be dismissed. That's where he has actual pedigree and imo it would be foolish for us not to utilize his expertise in the area he's actual excelled at. I've heard that we are giving a role which involves 6 days in a month which seems so pointless.
 
DSG said:
It wasn’t to crash out of top 4…. Don’t be naive. There is probably 100m at stake. The Glazers actually thought Ralf could turn it around. All they wanted from him was top 4. He asked for, and got, the consulting contract. There are already reports of the board demanding European football from Ralf.
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He didn't crash out of the top 4. He failed to get a team in free fall which was already out of it back in.

Regardless, I fail to see what it has to do with his competence in a different role. It would be brainless to have his advisory role contingent on top 4.
 
DSG said:
It wasn’t to crash out of top 4…. Don’t be naive. There is probably 100m at stake. The Glazers actually thought Ralf could turn it around. All they wanted from him was top 4. He asked for, and got, the consulting contract. There are already reports of the board demanding European football from Ralf.
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This all sounds purely speculative. You don't have any verifiable sources for these claims do you? This type of conjecture just breeds negativity for the sake of it
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He didn't crash out of the top 4. He failed to get a team in free fall which was already out of it back in.

Regardless, I fail to see what it has to do with his competence in a different role. It would be brainless to have his advisory role contingent on top 4.
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Relentlessly fighting the good fight.

I applaud you, sir.
 
lsd said:
Ten Hag, Ralf and Steve McClaren.

Not exactly the young up and coming dream team we were promised for the modern era is it?
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What does age have to do with it and who made this weird promise?
 
He talks a good game, would say he's had a successful career and to be very professional. I think his lack of success with us shows just what an amateur mess our club is.
 
United in sin said:
This all sounds purely speculative. You don't have any verifiable sources for these claims do you? This type of conjecture just breeds negativity for the sake of it
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Fact 1: Ralf himself has said the target is top 4… several times (source: pre/post match press conferences)
Fact 2: There were reports over the last two days that management wanted to be in a Europe competition next season for financial reasons (source: ESPN)
Fact 3: During the Ralf courtship, it was openly reported that Ralf would consider coming in as interim if it included a 2 year consulting contract. They gave him the contract, but they’d already fired Ole and needed a replacement….
Fact 4: CL participation brings in anywhere from £65m to £100m in revenue and directly accounts for 15-20% of annual revenue. Indirectly, I believe shirt sponsors and other sponsors actually pay less in sponsorship fees if we don’t make the CL — this has been reported before, too lazy to cite the source.

Man Utd is a publicly listed company with institutional investors with significant holdings. Intentionally sabotaging top 4 and well over 100m to bring in a “magic man” to completely turn over a roster was never the plan. Fans think like fans, and that’s okay, but this is big business and I can guarantee the focus is on the asset and maximizing revenue both this season and every season going forward.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He didn't crash out of the top 4. He failed to get a team in free fall which was already out of it back in.

Regardless, I fail to see what it has to do with his competence in a different role. It would be brainless to have his advisory role contingent on top 4.
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Actually, he got us into the top 4 (barely) and his recent results took us out.

If they wanted him as DoF, they would have just given him a crazy offer that he couldn’t refuse to run recruitment and all football operations… It’s not like he’s been courted by Real Madrid…

They (Glazers, Arnold, et al) think they know how to build a club, mate. You say that it would be brainless for the Glazers to hire him and yet not listen/utilize him to rebuild the club…

When was the last time you said to yourself, “feck me, glad Joel, Avram and Ed are running the club, we’ve got some smooth operators here.” I’ll tell you — never. Since SAF left they’ve fecked up everything. Managers, players, Old Trafford, Super League, Carrington, youth academy.

Seriously mate. Our only chance is that we get the next Klopp or Pep with a huge personality and presence that overshadows the Glazers stupidity, cause they are the root of all of our problems.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Rangnick didn't do a great job as interim coach. That does not mean his potential role at executive level should be dismissed. That's where he has actual pedigree and imo it would be foolish for us not to utilize his expertise in the area he's actual excelled at. I've heard that we are giving a role which involves 6 days in a month which seems so pointless.
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Why some people dont get this is beyond me. The moaning shall continue, I guess
 
Tiber said:
Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
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How is his interim stint as manager a negative when the others at the club haven't managed a day in their lives? If management is the single criteria then even a failed manager is ahead. That's without even factoring his actual CV as an exec.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Rangnick didn't do a great job as interim coach. That does not mean his potential role at executive level should be dismissed. That's where he has actual pedigree and imo it would be foolish for us not to utilize his expertise in the area he's actual excelled at. I've heard that we are giving a role which involves 6 days in a month which seems so pointless.
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A consultancy 6 days a month seems ok. Its would be to guide the recruitment team and help on stragegy, not do the heavy lifting, Murtough can do that. I think thats fine.

Similar to recruiting the manager it seems he has only been asked to advise in a limited capacity and Murtough and team do the rest. I don’t think its a bad model to be honest and it means Murtough has vast experience to lean on with regards to the big picture stragegy and plans
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Rangnick didn't do a great job as interim coach. That does not mean his potential role at executive level should be dismissed. That's where he has actual pedigree and imo it would be foolish for us not to utilize his expertise in the area he's actual excelled at. I've heard that we are giving a role which involves 6 days in a month which seems so pointless.
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I think he did improve the performance for a while, but the majority of the players did not get behind his way of playing football. As a football tactician I rate him. His role, even though it’s a bit unclear now, with EtH taking the manager role, can be good imo.

Well, we will know his role soon enough.
 
Tiber said:
Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
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It's not blind faith, it's evaluating the situation within context and taking into account the factors which have made his job near impossible. The main one being players not being bothered and not willing to listen nor learn. Nothing Rangnick can do about that, and throwing a manager under the bus for it isn't something I'm prepared to do. I'd rather point the finger at the real culprits for our failure this season
 
Looking at other threads it seems most people agree to give a new manager 1-3 years to achieve improvements.

It seems that expecting an interim manager to step in midseason and fix the problems of the last several administrations without removing any of the problems or bringing in any of their own players, is setting themselves up for disappointment.
While we would all like to see a storybook season ending where the interim guy says some moving and insightful words of wisdom and we end the season with some new hardware, it doesn’t seem very realistic.

Myself, I am hoping that Ralf gained the insight into where the problems lie and that he is able to help ETH untangle that dressing room and help determine the best course going forward.
It seemed Ralf worked towards giving underperformers opportunities to play in different circumstances and show what they are capable of. I think his insights would be invaluable to a new manager walking in the door
Greetings All
 
DSG said:
If you’re saying Ancelotti isn’t a counter attacking manager, well then, you really don’t watch much football, do you mate?
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I watch a feckton more than you if you think Ancelotti is just a counter attack manager.

Also, you claimed I said Rangnick is better than him. Which I never ever insinuated. So again, please read my posts properly.
 
VP89 said:
I watch a feckton more than you if you think Ancelotti is just a counter attack manager.

Also, you claimed I said Rangnick is better than him. Which I never ever insinuated. So again, please read my posts properly.
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Okay there fella. Enjoy your day.
 
We clearly made a big error appointing Rangnick.

I can/could really see the logic. Ole was too nice and too pragmatic. We needed a strict German grandfather to come in, stop the nonsense. implement a recognisable style of play and get us top 2.

Turns out that it's quite hard being a disciplinarian when everyone knows you'll be off soon. Looking back we should've appointed a vibes man.
 
Varane around town said:
We clearly made a big error appointing Rangnick.

I can/could really see the logic. Ole was too nice and too pragmatic. We needed a strict German grandfather to come in, stop the nonsense. implement a recognisable style of play and get us top 2.

Turns out that it's quite hard being a disciplinarian when everyone knows you'll be off soon. Looking back we should've appointed a vibes man.
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I think we were also screwed over by the fact that Rangnick couldn't get any of his preferred coaching targets to join us as they all had long contracts, we couldn't bring them in on a temporary basis and we had no intention of hiring coaches that would be kept on after we appointed a new manager. Hence why we ended up with a sacked MLS coach with a connection to the Red Bull sports network. Both Carrick and especially McKenna were half-decent coaches, but because of the dire situation at the club we wound up losing them, and did basically not replace them. You might remember that Rangnick had asked both of them to stay on, but they did not want to do that - if McKenna and Carrick had stayed as coaches under Rangnick's leadership we might have seen more improvement.

Chris Armas (coach), Helmut Gross (advisor to management), and Sascha Lense (Psychologist) all have contracts that expire before or in June this year. Unsurprisingly no top class coaches came in for a 6 month temporary contract with no guarantee of a steady job.

Edit: I forgot about Sharpe - pretty much the same situation as with Armas. Heavily involved in the Red Bull sports network in the US and was working with Rangnick in Russia.
 
Varane around town said:
We clearly made a big error appointing Rangnick.

I can/could really see the logic. Ole was too nice and too pragmatic. We needed a strict German grandfather to come in, stop the nonsense. implement a recognisable style of play and get us top 2.

Turns out that it's quite hard being a disciplinarian when everyone knows you'll be off soon. Looking back we should've appointed a vibes man.
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Imo It’s weird how easy people establish it as a fact that «the players have thrown Ralf under the bus». It’s been clear from the first moment that Ralfs time at the club wouldn’t be limited to a short stint as a caretaker, so this whole «everyone knows he’ll be off soon» is more than just a bit off, not entirely sure how it matters anyway because if players are unprofessional to such an extent they’re fecked anyway at the club. Another point would be that they are also effecting their own future elsewhere, potentially losing lucrative offers. More often than not, when a team as a collective fails, it’s down to management rather than an entire first eleven deciding to work against the manager. It might not fit in with the narrative that some prefer, but maybe, just maybe, Ralf is more of an administrator rather than a manager?

Top 4 should’ve been obtainable given the position we were in when he took over, difficult to think we wouldn’t have managed it if we’d hired a more competent manager.

Long term we might benefit from having Ralf at the club, by all means, but his role as a manager has been a big let down.
 
Tiber said:
Just how bad does Rangnick need to be before the blind faith wears off?

He was brought in to do a hard job, to make a push for top 4. We didn't even come close. Odd that this just totally bounces off him for many of the posters in this thread.

Sure it was a hard job and he didn't make the mess, but what did he expect when he signed up for the job?
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When everyone bashing the manager starts off with pointing out how our players are equally at fault if not more and then proceed to say how rangnick is not utd quality.
 
I don’t think it was a sensible appointment if the goal was to finish top four this season.

All said I’m sure most managers would have struggled to motivate this dressing room, it’s a fairly unprecedented situation having a team composed in no small part of players who almost certainly will be leaving at the end of the season - what’s their incentive to get us into the Champions League when they won’t be at our club next season?
 
This is quite an astonishing stat:

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If we lose tomorrow, out of the people that would realistically take it, who do we think could do a better job than Rangnick with our 7 games remaining?

Favre? Dyche? Keane?
 
Long Time Red said:
This is quite an astonishing stat:

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If we lose tomorrow, out of the people that would realistically take it, who do we think could do a better job than Rangnick with our 7 games remaining?

Favre? Dyche? Keane?
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There's no logic in sacking him so the answer is no.
 
Long Time Red said:
This is quite an astonishing stat:

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If we lose tomorrow, out of the people that would realistically take it, who do we think could do a better job than Rangnick with our 7 games remaining?

Favre? Dyche? Keane?
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Anyone of them I think will do better than Ralf as the interim manager.
 
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